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Man you cant just say that. You see you are making a claim that is provable. It sounds very flashy and advanced and since you obviously know how, please have an experience of my experience then tell me stuff. I am absolutely open minded to believe you if evidence is presented. I allow you to come see my experience as me from my point of view. Good luck... By telling people to verify for themself something impossible, you are just sending them on an endless journey to a achieve something unachievable. Then when they do not achieve it (no shit) they will just think the problem is they are not conscious enough. Give me a break!! That's why evidence is important! You achieve it first, then give proof that you experienced my experience and then I will have enough evidence that its possible to try myself. You don't have and will not be able to present me such evidence. How do I know that? Even without having access to your experience? ❤ contemplate that

You're claiming one can experience other peoples experience also if conscious enough. Big claim, provable claim, no proof exists, therefore I call bs. Someone else cannot have my direct experience - try your best. Take whatever psychedelic you want and call Leo too and buddha! I know for a fact only I can be and know me. There is no separate entity here that is experiencing me, so there cant be another one experiencing me (there is Not Even One) But nice try it sounds woke.

here is what Leo responded to me on another thread on this subject.

This reminds me of my rant against one of Bentinho Massaro's videos when I had connection to Spirit. Lol. Here is an exerpt, hahaha!

you can try me, I like to think I can understand "wacky" ideas and am able to hold paradoxes for inspection. It appears that I am identified with the wrong thing (with this point of view), which leads to this confusion. But maybe not since you wrote the following: You yourself here claim that said person cannot escape 1st person perspective. So you appear to assume he has a 1st person perspective, such as yourself. This is the same assumption I do when I say life is not solipsistic. There are 7 billion different human 1st person perspectives that we know of. Lets not include animals and other beings etc.. Now we are all connected by the field of the present moment, but if you're saying the 1st person perspective is the One Reality and not just a perspective out of the whole, then you are clearly saying there are 7 billion different realities and they are all the One reality... How? To me it is obvious that there are 7 billion different perspectives that are connected by the One Reality of Now. It is the now itself, not any perspective out of the 7 billion, that is the reality. So we can say reality is solipsistic only if we all identify with the present moment itself and then only the present moment exists, which is absolutely true, but wouldn't be any of our relative experience alone. But what you appear to be doing is you're saying that your POV is absolute and if everyone follows this teaching and gets to "I am the only reality" I bet it would cause mayhem. Just like in my dreams where everything is acceptable. That's because most people who would follow this teaching will not be identified with the present moment, but rather with their bodymind organism and their first person perspective "within that" bodymind organism. Basically, will mix Truth of Oneness with Ego and we will have 7 billion people thinking they are the one and only God... Now they can go do anything, it was exactly the solipsistic mindset that can be seen in SoonHei and this cannot be denied, even if what you're saying is absolutely true in absolute sense after you take more psychedellics... Lets mention also that SoonHei did use psychedelics. TLDR: In my opinion solipsism is milk mixed with poison. It looks like milk, tastes like milk, it's probably milk... The poison is not visible, but it is relevant. I think solipsism is Truth mixed with ego.

So you're saying Leo needs to also stop at " I am. Infinite imagination". in all of his videos, instead of 2-3 hour long content? Otherwise he is not conscious he is The Reality? Cause he is talking in videos about solipsistic nature of reality, which, by your definition, would mean he is not fully conscious that he is [The Reality]. It appears if you become conscious you are "The Reality", you become a tree, by your words.

This is a wrong assumption, because I am not just listening to Spira and following his words like a belief system, nor yours, nor Eckhart's nor anybody. As you say, I check in my own experience and verify. I am not always on the same boat as Rupert and would voice my disagreements on his channel. But it is exactly this problem here about self-deception and how tricky it is. You talk about having an experience of higher state of consciousness and you know about the solipsistic nature of reality. You are somehow absolutely sure that you wouldn't even entertain the idea that it is not solipsistic and just brush it off as lower consciousness stuff. A solipsistic reality would mean that you would deny that I have a conscious experience of my own and would mean that I am just a figment of your imagination. And vice versa, from my point of view, you would be figment of my imagination and I am the only reality... Right... So which one is it, am I the reality and you the imagination in my dream, or are you the reality and I am the imagination in your dream? How could both be the case? And if both are the case, then we can see both of us as reality and both of us as imaginary. Applied to wider population we can say this about every being on the planet and other planets and dimensions. I can tell you from my point of view, I am the reality and you appear to be my imagination. And you would say the opposite to me, that I am the imagination, but I would know that you are not right, because from my point of view, I am the reality. This is where solipsism fails.

1:34:30 "I am not immune from self deception" I am very glad you say this. I want to present to you something rather obvious that would contradict your realisation about your parents being imaginary and this solipsistic view of reality. Rupert Spira has this simple question "Are you aware?" that he presents to people. When answered truthfully, everyone must respond "Yes" to this question, including your parents. We go on to investigate - what could be aware, other than awareness itself? So it appears awareness is aware-ing in multiple different packages / points of view. You as Leo's first person point of view is just one of many different packages. Your parents are other packaging of the same stuff. Since this stuff, consciousness, is location-less and property-less, we do not see it in others as we verify our own awareness in our own experience. We cannot verify that others are awareness, but they can and we can believe them. I certainly believe that you have a direct experience just as I do, even if I will never be aware of it directly. So saying your parents are imaginary is to say that they are not Awareness itself. But they are, because they are aware.

1:04:00 you talk about Christianity , and how we can make anything dangerous when we misunderstand etc.. But in Christianity in particular there is a safeguard rail. It is very commonly known for Christians that if you commit suicide you won't be allowed in the kingdom of Heaven. Basically exactly what SoonHei was looking for with that jump - to find/ be in heaven itself. If he believed a little bit that what Christianity is saying is relevant, it would have challenged his idea that jumping would get him quick access to that. He would probably be here if he had more of a Christian background and had this doubt about the suicide being "Good", because there is "nowhere else to go". About "Repent and you will be allowed in Heaven" being like a visa to do anything, it might appear like that, sure.. But I have had an insight about that one... How would one feel, when in Heaven, knowing that they don't deserve it... It would not be a good feeling and it would make heaven into a kind of hell, where you are like an undeserving dirt. I want to deserve it even a little bit, and using Jesus' sacrifice as a visa to do anything is not part of that. I know I do sin and I have a sinful nature, but I am not actively trying to be that. I attempt my best, but I am not going to be perfect in this human form. All that is wanted of us is to do our best. Our best is definitely not to say "Well since Jesus died for my sins, lets go and sin for the lols" This is not a critique on your teachings, it is a critique of your critique of Christianity.

@Leo Gura Absolutely agree with this. We cannot all have the same opinions on everything and it would stunt growth if we all were just circlejerking each other. I don't like to argue. If I disagree with something or don't partake in it, it doesn't mean I put it in the garbage pile and know its bad/wrong. I have a section in my mind under question mark and these things I do not agree with might later be changed - or not. I love Leos work on self inquiry and I believe there should be tolerance and room for practicing spirituality without using psychedelics and still using this forum. That said, I am a user of -5meo-THC which is considered a mild psychedelic. Regarding Leo's teachings about death, from my understanding, put simply, he does not support or encourage suicide, because he talks about how this experience now, including the experience of having a body, is actually nothingness /death itself. So one would only want to get rid of the body to experience death if they believed they are not already dead. Leo's teachings are absolutely the opposite. If you do not identify with the body, why so eager to get rid of it? If you're already dead, why the need to experience "conscious death". Etc, etc.. When realising you're not your car, you wouldn't smash your car to bits, it is still a useful tool. It does, however, make it easier to let go of the car when it's time comes, which is a positive. The problem comes when the milk (truth) gets mixed with the poison of the egoic mind and create a story that appears to be true, because it looks like milk...

Great question, even though probably shouldn't be in this thread.. That depends, is your cousin aware? See for you it might not have happened, but for him it has, since he is awareness also, not just you. You are both holding space and have different equally real or unreal experiences.

29 minutes ago, @tuckerwphotography said: You cannot say "No, there is not". You have no way of knowing, as we cannot access what is beyond here and now. Some assume there is something (matter) because it appears like that. Others assume there is nothing, because there is no direct experiential evidence of anything outside of Here-Now-Awareness. but the correct response to such a question should not be to label the unknown/unknowable mystery as something or nothing, but to be true to what we actually know and label it with question mark or Mu. It is a mystery and will remain a mystery. We like to know things, but I had a major breakthrough when I changed this little assumption of knowing what is beyond us (or lack of such a thing) when if we are honest, as conscious awareness, we do not.

The thing is you are talking in general, when in this case the person was not in suffering. He did it for the opposite reason. He wanted to use the fact that he is conscious/aware and make sure to die consciously and with high spirits... Perhaps he thought that it will give him a door towards eternal life, and he probably thought if he didn't do it, he might die unconsciously by mistake and miss it. This is what I gather from all this...

Well you didn't get my post, because I said I can verify it through conversation. If the entity im talking t does not have a direct experience I will find out. Im clever that way and can spot Ai from real consciousness.

He had a lot of truth in there, but milk mixed up with poison is still not it. Everything else makes sense but his conclusion to jump. Seeking eternal life, he gave up something even more precious, precious because of it's impermanence. You have forever to be the Self, but only a lifetime to be this human. Make the most of it..

If we sit in a room together, we can prove to each other that our bubble of experience is different to the other. And you will see the other has no way of saying what they're saying if they didn't have direct experience over their bubble of experience and that it's content is different. You don't need direct experience over other bubbles to intuit and confirm their reality through conversation. Some things cannot be talked about accurately in a dynamic situation without direct experience. I believe that If one is to believe only their bubble is real and there are no other bubbles of experience ( you only have evidence of your bubble directly) then they have accessed Spiritual Ego and this is very dangerous.

I believe it is possible that he is still alive in another dimension from what I've seen how reality works in some experiences... Perhaps he is still alive from his POV, on another dimensional Earth (for him would be the same Earth) and he has changed his timeline completely through that act and is out of this particular one... I am not certain of this, but I believe its possible.. I actually believe it has happened to me before, but I am only speculating, no proof of this.

I do not think he was airy fairy, I think he was very deep in the direction of the absolute, but unfortunately he needed to get more relative teaching in there to ground himself in. It's about a dance between absolute and relative for me. The way I see it, even if this is a dream, it is a pretty lucid one and usually if you reach such lucidity in a dream you don't really want to wake up from it, unless you are suffering. It is weird to me that he wanted to change the dream because he was not suffering. There is no guarantee what the next dream will be and whether it will be as lucid, or that there even will be one.. Really unfortunate, I wish I had gotten to him somehow and talked to him about how important the relative aspect of life is as well. He will be the True Self forever, but true beauty comes in impermanence.... There is no rush to get rid of bodymind since we cannot be separated from the True Self anyway. And the bodymind is one of those impermanent diamonds that should be appreciated while lasting.

he wanted to get to the next dream, he was ready to let go of the body and be everything, consciousness itself. Where else can he be? Like Ramana Maharshi, so is SoonHei everywhere around us. But I would have delayed it. The problem.is he perceived reality as a dream as I see it. And in the dream only you are real and the rest are figments of your imagination. So you live as the main character in your movie dream and then go to the next... Now they are the ones who will suffer... And likely him, if in the afterlife he realises it was a big mistake he can't change

Look its not that simple. I get you and your point of view. But having been there, the actual realness of these things and events is of the same lucidity level as me writing to you right now and on the same waking level of experience. In my response to you I only skim the surfice of what happened, because its a long story, so I just said "forces of darkness" to shorten the story. I will tell you why I call them that, in short: Me, with light body, running on the street, rising vibration and intuition. I intuit one man was about to sleep with a little girl and pulled him with superhuman strength, as I wanted to help her. Then he ran away and suddenly a guy appears out of nowhere, hits me on the back and I start running again, as I was very fast. But then police appeared out of nowhere - no cars nothing, pointing a gun at me to stop, and I did. Then they put handcuffs on me and put me in a van. The handcuffs were so painful, they were created to stop someone with an activated light body... The pain was so sharp, it was like burning. The back of the van was moving in a way to harm me. Nothing outside the van was generated and I thought that this is it- the devil got me and now I will be tortured, so I wanted to end it - i placed my head on the ground, expecting to smash my head from the "bumpy ride" and as soon as I did that, there was no longer any bumps, just smooth road. Does this seem like normal stuff? Well it did happen and I am not making it up. Trust me or dont, but there are things out there we might not understand, but are real af.

I can totally understand what he means and I would love to speak to him about these stuff. I've had literally so much similar experience as this. This 5th dimension would explain a lot of the crazyness that I was experiencing. I have seen flies that do not exist in "normal reality" and beings that pretended to be people, who had a connected consciousness and I thought were either aliens or really advanced AI. There were also a situation in which I was supposed to do something and the two girls there, after my inaction, were very disappointed at the "Jesus" they had been given. And the very reason I was there in the first place was because I had asked for light body activation and was able to live without eating and sleeping, after which some stuff happened and the forces of darkness captured me and started bounding me. Can it really be a mental illness if it is an experience that is repeatable? How can both Connor and me have an experience of being Christ and 5d experiences? Seems to me like it is a spiritual reality rather than a mental illness.

I believe there is actually a link. I had attempted a suicide long time ago, because I was actually fine with the idea of moving on. I was not afraid of death, took the rat poison and laid there, only for my mother to come in and find out what happened, then took me to the hospital... Leos stuff are very radical and can be misunderstood and misused. I wouldn't blame him, because he can't control how others would perceive an insight that he's had, which might very well be true.

That I can believe. I've had similar experiences and there are forces that can do things like that, trust me... The rabbit hole is deep... You call it madman, but he experienced it... What if something out of the ordinary happens to you and then nobody would believe you... But it did happen, clear as day... I've seen and communicated with entities that could read my mind and were translating via some gadgets to get my identity and where I am from, because I wouldn't speak.... Later on, one of the guys there told me that "Everyone here works for the government, don't trust them, even the good ones, they are the worst". Hehe weird

Spot on. I was tackling this exact issue on another thread earlier about Leo being imagined by us. Solipsism, believing only your experience is real and others are NPC characters/ dream characters would literally allow for you to do anything and call it good. We need to spot things like these on the forum and challenge such views no matter if Leo has said something similar. It seems SoonHei wanted to change his dream, but in doing so he would bring so much pain on his family.. He has babies omg... Did he really consider them dream characters without their own Consciousness and didn't postpone his journey... Seems like he put his faith in the wrong thing. Here's what SoonHei wrote to me once when I inquired about his avatar as it seemed like it had deep meaning to me - and it did. It is this exact solipsistic view, and it ended badly, from this dimension's point of view, I guess. I do believe there is an "other side" however and he might be totally OK right now. Can't confirm though.. @SoonHei I am tagging you on this one so you could read your brother's explanation to me, maybe you will understand what he believed in/investigated.

I am really sad to hear, I remember his responses were very profound and he aided me when I was experiencing psychosis. His pointers helped me a lot... And I even had him as friend on Facebook. His guidance was very mystical and I believe he was very woke. I guess it was time for him to go to the next level, whatever that is. Rest in Peace Soonhei <3