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But i wouldn't be sure about that last statement. Im pretty sure enlightened can view some as fools, even if knowing something deeper. Might even see his own "guy self" like fool too ? But you say you're not enlightened so maybe there are different ways those foolish bodymindspirit complexes can be pushed on the right path rather than just spiral into their delusions further. I don't subscribe to "all is well". If someone starts torturing your bodymindspirit even the most enlightened will start to question the sanity of some aspects of the absolute. It's not all well at all! When Jesus was on the cross, he questioned for a moment, why has God forsaken him... And I do have a direct experience and know the difference between someone being intentionally mean in order to hurt (satan) and those who are true to the spirit of Peace and Love (God) . I do not believe in nonduality. I actually intuited my friend had a connection with this evil spirit before he exploded. It was like a presence.. Knowing its presence could have been what triggered it. It likes to be hidden. Eckhart is on point with the pain body thing, he is exposing satan to the Light of consciousness and Love.

How would Eckhart for example react if there was some fool next to him constantly making sudden movements as if about to hit him. I get that we are not the body, but would still make you respond, right? The enlightened way would be which one: a)ignore the annoying fool and accept the situation (but you cant really cause he will just keep doing it and you dont know if next time he will actually hit or trip you.) - but the fool will keep you in fight or flight which is undesirable state. b) remove yourself from the situation, proving that you were affected by the behaviour C) slap him/ fight him/ become as unconscious as him. Seriously that guy used me like a damn doormat last night. And I allowed it because I anchor space. Absolutely incredible. I think the full moon energy might be affecting his psyche.. Full moon? More like Fool moon!

Thanks for the response. I appreciate your clarity and wisdom. I have a further question - If one transcends / goes meta/ has eternity by its side and then the bodymind starts trying to get "other minds" to see it / go meta, it can trigger a negative egoic response in less conscious individuals who assume separation for example and misunderstand this as an attack on their belief systems. Then those "other" minds appear to try to make your existence worse in order to prove to you that they are not you. I am saying this because I had an encounter with one "friend" yesterday and I was contemplating reality, which triggered a really egoic reaction in him as he started shouting insults at me and looking all serious. I was amazed, it was so out of the blue, I had no idea why what I said triggered him so much. It was like what Eckhart Tolle talks about that "pain body" entity had arisen... He wanted to change reality and was doing it through insults and trying to make me self-conscious. Literally he called me an idiot and tried to attack my human self. So if you walk with eternity by your side, you would still get those people trying to trip you up? But assuming others are me and through this realisation we see more and more the truth of this, I am going to be more trusting of people, as I would think it is me trying to give myself a message of some sort through the other bodymind... But then they will abuse me for it and mistake my non-egoic behaviour as a justification to act egoic without consequences... I don't know if I confused you by all this, but maybe you get what Im saying. How to deal with egoic behaviour basically... I mean when someone is egoic, I tend to respond with the same level of consciousness, like a mirror... But that is like dragging me down to their level... Maybe I need to cut ties?

See this is all great stuff. But imagine you are next to a stage red talking these things. Or basically anyone with egoic identity and toxic attitude. They would want to make your life as shit as possible to show you that you're not saved, because they don't want you to be free. They see other's success as their failure. Humanity is poisoned. The devil is very much among us. Jesus was a lucid dreamer... And what happened - the egoic dumbfucks got him.

Thats it, thats what i was trying to communicate myself earlier. You have much clear message, appreciated. When we create reality we arent this bodymind creating other bodyminds, this bodymind and other bodyminds are all equally created.. At least I assume that. I got an extreme egoic reaction from my friend last night as I was talking about these things. He started calling me an idiot and really being harsh, trying to activate my ego identity I guess. He is stage red and its really messy... I couldn't believe what im seeing, but definitely was pain body stuff.. Thats how I knew this stuff is most likely Truth ? He was so triggered by just me investigating this that he was even trying to make me in fight or flight situations by constantly trying to trip me and by playing a very alpha male behaviour (which is silly for me. Being alpha is the absolute beta - taking himself so seriously, what an ass?). Unfortunately he is so low consciousness and I see all the little egoic tricks he likes to play and its just sad. I think I have sawn enough seeds in his mind and can let go of this fake friendship. It is all so obvious when we cultivate a little more awareness.. The problem with my "friend" is that when he doesn't understand he gets offended and these stuff are some deep shit and he's not interested and constantly telling me im wasting my time. He likes to judge others and has little interest in introspection. I wish I do a better job over there and awaken the stage reds... Do we need asholes around? I guess there is a problem with discussing the nature of reality with egoic nonspiritual instances of ourself is we are going to see all the dirty laundry of the unconscious mind and the madness of the ego.

but love is more gentle than that... be careful what spirits you trust lol!

So you're saying that i am you! I can assume that. Stay safe my Self from another dimension !!!!

I don't subscribe! See me as a form might be a construct of you, but not your mind, rather your empty consciousness would be a better pointer. But me as this bodymind am not this empty consciousness. Only the "atman" or Self is. So i am not a construct of your mind, but of our collective consciousness... No? So we cant say I imagined you. If we have to say anything we would have to say I, consciousness, create both this Ego-Self and other Ego-Selves. This Ego-self point of view is as imaginary and non existent as the others and vice versa!

Bro! I just told u, I have no direct experience its just you bro ? Joking aside, if we are both honest we would claim to have direct experience. If you didn't have direct experience right now, why are you so passionate about telling me im denying direct experience! You have no clue what it is right? ?

Something cool to contemplate actually. But the last bit there is a refutation, because you have an experience right now (direct) and I also do (direct) and we are 2 humans. From your pov and following this reasoning, looks like you are the only human to exist, from mine it is me. So there are more than 1. I like the idea that God is experiencing every point of view, but that would make no sense, because when you are me, who is experiencing you? And the choices I make create changes for the other humans, so how can God experience one of us first and then the other, when we constantly change based on small everyday decisions.. I would say it is more likely that there are no points of view,. The anti-solipsist movement that I will be starting. Instead of assuming others have an experience like yourself (normal view) or that they don't have experience and just you, why don't we assume that actually we do not have direct experience, since thats what we see of other humans.. We see no direct experience there, so its safe to assume there is no direct experience here too lol. We might be imagining our own point of view entirely, like a mirage.

That was the theme of my experience there. I was on the side you talk about - the heart ♥ centered consciousness. But I met there a scholar character who knew what was going on with me, at least a bit, and I had to submit to the value of rules and all those mind stuff. And he had to agree that there is a truth beyond any words, as I was speaking from my heart and that was how I got there in the first place. He was like a muslim father figure and told me of the importance of structured religion/scripture.. He did seem to try to understand what I am talking about, he was very interested, as he knew that Truth is beyond the words. But really it must be a mixture of both for true embodiment imo. I was so lost there I did not know what was happening. Later on another character told me "Follow your heart, but take your brain with you" kind of striking on the same point. @billiesimon there is a very wise statement "don't throw the baby with the bathwater". That's definitely true about religions - most people throw out the baby as well, just because they see all the dirty water around it. That doesnt mean the bath is bad, just because the water is dirty too!

@billiesimon seeing how the religions that are doing these fasting periods are meant to be doing this, to tune the souls to their higher nature, but still not fasting permanently i guess. During my experience one muslim woman who helped me with spiritual connection told me very silently how I should check if the Quran is the truth. But I got there by following bible related things.. So basically maybe they have the truth and are applying it on a large scale.

My friend drew this once without knowing what it means. To me it had a deep meaning

I think it was definitely connected with "nofap". Maybe when we do not waste the sexual energy it can act as psychedelic I had also stopped smoking cigs+weed since some time from then. So it could be just some natural result of dropping addictions etc... Maybe. Well I was so freaked by the experience which later on turned into more hellish experience and I just wanted to go back to "my own reality"... And here I am. I am back to some of my addictions to keep me in my timeline lol! Next time I will have more experience with walking the territory I guess. Maybe I was just not ready for it yet. Definitely there was the theme of letting go of my beast nature/desires and follow the spirit nature/desires. I read in one spiritual text that this is what is wanted of us to awaken. It happened radically though, I didnt expect to not need food even lol! But now that im back I do eat again. I believe there can be a middle ground.. Maybe when we go too radical, God spanks us back with those hellish experiences. As if to show who's boss/teach us something.

It was not a result of psychedelics tho, it was naturally induced and I don't know exactly what caused it - it appeared that things were just happening. There was a fasting happening, there was no need for sleep and I had lost all sense of time. I actually had the intuition that I can close my eyes and wake up at whatever time I wish. But not quite sure how that would work. Was just a feeling like I can actually literally change reality. I was also following one of Aaron Dogherty's vids on youtube about shifting reality and I followed his advice which happened to work. But I believe they worked because I was already in that state and the video was meant for me. If I try it now, it probably wont work the same way.

Try this with anything really, if you do something everyday for a month, you are forming a habit, even if not addictive.

Maybe we can continue this further and say there is no Absolute infinity unless there are infinite number of infinities connected together to make that... That's where we come in I believe - you are one of those infinities, I am another... The actual I am of us... Ultimately the same and different to the other infinities. We could also think of it as 0 and not infinity. Divide 0 into as many parts you wish, you still get 0. My localisation is one of those 0s, your localisation another... Would explain how its possible for all this madness! How could there be only one but express as many? Well both 0 and infinity appear to allow this.

Incredible to read. I had once a similar experience as I was "shifting reality" and I was experiencing that "peace beyond understanding" but I was having trouble remembering, like I was completely in the now and had lost touch of my timeline somehow... Everything around me was changing, even my mother looked different, like a supercomputer at one point. When she saw me in this state she somehow knew something was going on and didnt like it. She kept talking to me about past events that happened and I found it really hard to follow. I felt like she was trying to get me out of that state, so that I return to my egoic identity. I was telling her how it is not important what happened in the past, just to be happy now, but she was very insistent and it was like she didnt want me to feel this good, wanted me to be in ego.. Now I do not know whether to trust myself for feeling that great in this state or my mother who could be there as a safeguard for me not to go off the rails... Maybe this void state and being radically now is not at all what is desired, as it would "break" the dream. When I have a lucid dream I do not like to wake up.

now he knows he doesn't know we are the kids/seeds of the Universe. That's a cool identity to have with a lot of potential growth

Yeah PUA is about value and getting value, being perceived as having value by the females/others... For a PUA enlightenment is to stick their hotdog somewhere.

This video reminds me of an experience I had 6-7 months ago. I was in some state, I wasn't actively doing something and I have no recollection exactly how everything happened, but at one point, like tuning to a radio, I started hearing people from my country (Bulgaria) cheering and making loud music. As if they were real! Like it was live, they were simply there within me... Sounded like they were outside of the building, but I was in England so not really. It was maybe coming from the heart. This "sound hallucination" was from time to time pushed by another one of trees being cut down... And then again tuned to the celebrating people. It was like I had a direct connection with another reality... Maybe with a collective consciousness of some kind.

Not going to lie, I do not understand all these, including the ox herding pictures. How am I supposed to have a relationship with the emptiness within which my experience arises? One would have to be really subtle in order to even notice such a non-thing, now we supposed to be in relationship with it? And with what? It is at no distance from ourself, so how to have relationship with yourself...? Are the ox herding pictures talking about dressage of the wild mind?

Not only, even the intro is using the same words lol. What a ripoff, guy just copied Leo and not being called out for it. Great find

Oh yeah thats it, thanks for the share! Would be nice if they didnt spook people like that ?

Great video by Rupert Spira, which I greatly appreciate, so I decided to share it here. I have been contemplating all these ISMs a lot recently.