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lol, you like to force your view on the universe! but then "It can appear how it likes" and "it must appear how it likes" are then equivalent so it is really a mute point. All I was trying to communicate to the guy was that it can appear this way or that, it can make events and write history any way it likes... Look at what is pointed to, not the pointer

but if it chooses to appear how it doesnt like, then it is still how it likes... In such a case It likes to appear how it doesnt like.. I dont get the problem with this

I think there are other relative truths which are more important... Like some beings stealing ideas from our infinite imagination and creating movies and making movies from our pain and sufferings which generate awesome ideas.. I like to watch Loki now, it seems like my kind of story, I feel like they used my seeds in that one

it can appear how it likes to is an equivalent statement to it does whatever it likes to. Really you are way too pedantic about wording. Its your mistake to put too much emphasis on the "can"

the problem is that it is not a perfect analogy also, as what this model shows is basically a matrix model, not reality. I dont believe reality is a matrix even though it could be experienced that way (I've had neo experience). It is really so mystical that even stuff like that which make sense are so far from the truth. It boggles my mind! But thats what I said, that it does whatever it likes to - that it appears how it likes to... But I am not trying to put it in a box and say "this is how it is" , it is bigger than me, and it is not my place, as a function, to comment on the entire code and the force that moves us in a certain direction. It is obvious we are moving in some direction and there are some better than others, I would assume. And we have a limited view here, when there might be bigger functions that deal with that bigger stuff so we don't have to. I would hope that is the case! Much love to you

I edited my post to show about the programmer

ok! Now thats better, you'r a function of the Universe, not the Universe! We are getting somewhere! Now is it possible that a function of the Universe investigates and finds that everything is "as it is always", but why would it assume that it is the same of the Universe? If you've done coding you will know that functions are a small part of the entire program, and the programmer absolutely has a choice how to write a function and can even make changes after it is done! From the function's point of view, it will just be how it is, it only ever knows "life" when the code is running, it will not know when the programmer has stopped the program to change the code for a while.... Now here im saying God is the programmer, the program is the Universe and we are functions, that would be a good map.But I am nondual in the sense that I believe the programmer and the code are one, as in there is not some guy sitting and coding, but the code is coding itself

uuuuuuuuuuuugh, I get you man, I mean thats a common saying in nondual circles. I have heard so many times, but seriously it is easy to prove man.. Nobody has ever proven it directly to me which is weird. "There is no separation bla bla" well so is the case for my words in your paradigm... From your paradigm you should ask yourself "why is the Universe telling me that what im saying is crap".. But thats not my paradigm, because I clearly know that I would be lying if I said I am the entire Universe. If there is no separation, prove it by telling me something about me which only I would know. Remember, you are claiming that you are truthful when you say that you are not separate from me. Then I am not asking something big of you. Please, I await.

Yeah but that is for you! From your perspective! What if I told you the Universe can make it occur other than how it is, for you it will still be how it is , simply because you have a limited perspective and can only see one thing at a time The universe has more depth than us and it can make the impossible even if you can't. To say that it can't is to say you know the Universe's perspective! Far from the truth tho. Well i am not saying it can for sure, I am saying I have seen things to lead me to believe it. Im asking, what if you saw the game from a higher level, and see how the universe changes things constantly! But you only see a continuity of "how it is" from our lazy perspective as being here now always!

@Mason Riggle The problem here is you are having an investigation over yourself and then project the same qualities and attributes to the entire universe. It is a common problem in nonduality - you just assume it is you, because you have no other point of reference .

What about peeing? Why is thinking so important, it is such a small portion of our experience! There is a pee-er. The one out of which the pee comes! Aha! But have a look at this here - the game of life. The original entry can be different, causing different results in the game later on. In some of those the game continues indefinitely, in others it completes quicker. In third, it can create a whole other game of life on a higher level(the video posted) Now what I claim is that perhaps the Universe or God is more advanced than you and actually has a choice what game of life to put forward and where it will be headed. You can tell me all about how your thinking comes out of nothingness and not a thinker, but you cant tell me why events in the world happen as they do. You can't tell me why we use electricity, how we are advancing the way we do and how we "evolve". You can tell me only about your direct experience, you cannot tell me anything about the game of life. You can talk to me about what its like to be one character inside the supreme game of life, and honestly, we have no clue what it is to be outside of the game of life, thats how huge it is. Here is a 2d representation:

I am one to say you cannot map reality, and that any map is wrong, it can be relatively right, but reality is too mindfucky to map

ugh, that's just nit picky semantics. You are not one to say whether the universe has a choice ;D think about it, you have authority only over self and even that we do not know completely... semantics and word games ! we all know full well what ego is and what egoic reactions are. I can see them in myself and others alike .

thats not a contradiction, because it might love to be any way it likes, which means both your suggestion and mine can be simultaneously true. By saying any way it likes I am not saying it "likes" I just mean it can make things appear any way it wishes/desires/wants. Im talking as if it is a conscious being because thats how I feel

another super philosophy to keep ego in place! but there is a remedy as they say ego is not to be gotten rid of, but seen through as illusion and then it falls away naturally!

The universe can make it appear how we dont like. I dont know her personally, lol, but I assume she has a much bigger wisdom than the entire population of earth as a collective (let alone one man)

The universe can make anything happen. Individual can not make a single thing happen. The universe can make it appear any way it likes. I've seen its powers at play and ive seen miracles, but I have not seen one person perform miracles, except charlatans and tricky magicians. Im not saying its not possible, but I havent seen!

this is a super philosophy to keep the ego. Comes from ego. You cant say more ego means no ego because it is how it is. Just no, stahp it, ego, stahp it.

Be sure, you are not alone... Love is unity.. On any level.. Could be unity of souls, or of people, or of atmans.. Points... Emptinesses in different locations within absolute emptiness / infinities inside absolute infinity... Beings created by a loving God that values Love above all else... You name it ? if you are in relationship you have to acknowledge the Truth in the other, as well as yourself.. I guess the being element...

Ok but can you accept possibility that thats only one way its experienced over there and another way over here or elsewhere.. What im getting at is the healthy realisation of ultimate not knowing, rather than claiming an ultimate knowing. I agree you might have reached an ultimate knowing of Yourself (doubt cause infinitely deep), but thats all you have authority over.. Basically i can be you in your worldview, but allow for other beings to claim their own independent existence also, since you cannot know another's experience you cant really talk about it with confidence!

To me all you're saying sounds like one entity attempting to say that they know/understand the ultimate reality. Just another ego trip in my view tho! It seems like we are attempting to boil down reality into something really simple like this. And using words like nothing and everything which are pointers to things that cannot be experienced and hence everyone has a different projection when they are mentioned... All those projections not it.. But still we use the words.. To seem like we know, our idea of nothingness and everythingness cant be wrong.

Ok I mean I can entertain this as a mental exercise, but its really not experiential? Or is it? To me it seems like the king is naked and we are just scared to call it how it is... I stubbed my toe. What's the problem with duality? Its the ultimate nondual thing to accept duality and play ▶

yea but when you stub your toe, where does nonduality go. Is there really no one who stubbed their toe? Who goes to the toilet? Awareness does not go !

That would be the case for a robot, not for an alive being! You misperceive what human is.

I agree no free will in the past. Anything that happened happened there is no point to think about how it could be different, unless that knowledge can be applied now for the better. Otherwise its a waste of time. But the scalpel of no free will ends there. Scalpel of no free will cannot enter the present moment, as it is too small for it. If you think my thoughts appear and then I write them, that's misunderstanding of how my mind works. There are so many things happening, but one thing is certain. Everything that comes out of the present moment is fresh and new. Even a regurgitated thought of the past is fresh and new. And I can write thousands of words without even having a conceptual thought in my mind. The fingers just go about the keys and write. Anything I write to you is fresh and new. And yes, I did not gather what im saying from an infinite database that im aware of beforehand so I can say I've chosen every word with complete freedom of choice. Thats not what free will is to begin with. Its a misperception of free will that you have to know everything in order to be free in your choice.