Dodo

@Ramasta9 you have to specify where AI was used in your reply as per forum rules

Oh no, not Fred Davis the awakeness 😀

You see how disingenuous your post is, since you need awareness to write it after needing awareness to read mine. The present moment is undeniably real. You mistake content which might be unreal with the reality of the moment itself. In a dream at night we KNOW its not real, yet there is something real there. The awareness that knows it, you. That awareness doesnt die when the dream dies, its what the dream is made of, the awareness is not inside the dream, the dream is inside awareness. Its not dualistic, you just haven't investigated that all that is known of things is the knowing of them, not the things themselves. You dont have a lasagna, you have the knowing of it only in direct experience. Knowing is the absolute nature of reality, you are just not able to see through your own concepts that this which knows the concepts is not itself a concept. Its more real if you write "I don't know" than claiming no absolute nature of reality. Maybe you dont know what I mean by words like reality and awareness and you slay your own stick figures. I use awareness and consciousness interchangably, and reality is that which is undeniably real, now - not your concepts and independent "things", only knowing knowing itself. If you speak, you use knowing to do so, before you spoke there was knowing and after you speak there is knowing. Its the fundamental nature of reality.

What I'm trying to essentially say, is that what the lasagna is made out of is awareness/knowing and not matter. Top lols, right? @Princess Arabia what is the nature of reality please if you would enlighten me then if its not awareness, which is self evident. Are you secretly a materialist?

No, as the character in the dream Dodo, I do not have knowledge of Everything at once, that would be insanity. But i put forward that everything that can exist, can only do so within awareness. An experience of an esophagus can only exist within awareness. No awareness, utter darkness, no anything. There comes a point where you are just not here in good faith to honestly look at the accuracy of what I'm saying. You are here to argue and you are right always with your version of radical nondual talk because you always can reject any object as true and call it dream. But here's the thing, awareness is something that is not an object and true at the same time. It literally cant be within the dream, because any dream is within it and made of it. I think im using some of the most clear language one can use on this topic. I can't help more with words.

Nope, nothing can exist apart from awareness. You've never experienced anything outside of awareness. I've never experienced anything outside of awareness. Awareness is all that is trully real, you are simply ignoring it. Yet your ignorance happens within awareness also. Not my awareness, not your awareness, pure impersonal awareness/knowing. Not a single experience whether real or illusory can exist outside of or apart from awareness. All experience is made of awareness and known by awareness. No duality at all. Awareness is not a person, not personal, its formless timeless being.

Im not here for word games. Awareness = true. How else are you aware of my replies, whether they be true or false, you are aware of them. What is aware? Self inquiry, no mental masturbation.

One side of the coin says its not real, but all there is to this nonreality is the actual 100% reality of awareness. You are ignoring your actual knowing of this moment and saying everything is an illusion. The knowing of this so called illusion is absolutely real. You are the only one who can see this, not me, not Hermione, you.

I think enlightenment is the simple noticing of awareness/direct consciousness/direct seeing. But just like in gym training, picking up the weight is not the hard part, the hard part is sticking to it and doing it again and again and again, until it's muscle memory for the human to notice the wider awareness in all situations, and to trust that this is going to yield results. If you start gym training without knowing results will follow or that its important to lift that weight, you might give up before the payoff. Same way with noticing awareness, maybe you practice it so much that next time something overwhelming happens, you automatically notice and rest as the awareness instead of getting lost, your spiritual endeavour starting to pay off. We always are with that awareness, but its elusive to be aware of it, because its not an object. Its easy and hard at the same time. Its confusing when thinking about it, but natural in practice. Intellectual stuff is important to get us to know its important when we are beginners and won't see immediate results. To know this simple seeing of knowing itself is important.

Things in this world can get pretty heavy. Recently a top chess grandmaster and personality i liked to watch to learn about chess died [unconfirmed but most likely due to suicide] based on cheating accusations from Vladimir Kramnik and a whole series of cyber bullying. Be kind to one another and forgive yourself and others.

In my experience, awareness is not vast. It doesnt even feel vast. Speaking from my own direct experience, it has no objective qualities, no spacial feeling of vastness, it is the simple fact of knowing now. I can say about it that its "continuous" and "Here", "available" but to say that its vast? I dont understand why many in the spiritual space use that as a pointer. Is it that I am not seeing something clearly? Is it that perhaps these people are just parroting words they heard from someone they consider enlightened, and not using direct experience? Or maybe they mean something other than what I mean when I say "vast". I am confucious. I mean, is awareness vast in your experience? Please tell! Lets prrhaps also use this thread to as accurately as possible describe that undescribable knowing in words. Because when someone says to a human "this is impossible" the human is surely going to try.

Dont try to be alone, that's impossible. Notice instead that there are no others. #matrix #bendthespoon

@TheGod some want to be left alone

@Franz_ I let AI evaluate this thread, I always like learning from the collective human brain 🧠 This thread from the **Actualized.org Forum** captures a wide spectrum of spiritual and metaphysical worldviews, and it’s actually quite representative of the wider conversation happening in modern spirituality about **“other realms”**, **altered consciousness**, and the **nature of reality**. Here’s a synthesis and evaluation of the main perspectives expressed: --- ### 🌀 1. **Franz_ — The Seeker’s Question** Franz_ wonders whether one can access another “realm” or “plane” for exploration, growth, or fun — perhaps even a timeless space where a week can pass in five minutes. * **Core impulse:** Curiosity, exploration, spiritual adventure. * **Underlying theme:** The desire to test the boundaries of what is possible in consciousness. This is a classic mystical impulse — the yearning to go *beyond* ordinary perception. But it’s also tinged with a modern, “gamified” mindset toward spirituality: using realms as spaces for self-experimentation. --- ### 🌌 2. **Princess Arabia — Nondual Perspective** > “There is not even this realm.” > “You cannot go outside of reality, as you are reality.” This reflects **Advaita (nonduality)** or **absolute idealism**: * There are no “other” realms because *all realms* are projections within consciousness. * The notion of “accessing another plane” presupposes duality — a “you” that could move between “places.” * But from this view, there’s only *Being* — reality itself, indivisible and self-contained. **Evaluation:** Philosophically deep but experientially challenging. It denies the very premise of exploration as illusion — profound if realized, but abstract if taken merely intellectually. --- ### 🌈 3. **pursuitofspirit — Psychedelic & Mystical Access** > “There are other realms and dimensions of consciousness… You will probably need help from a substance.” This is the **psychedelic mystic** perspective — that certain substances (DMT, psilocybin, etc.) allow access to “higher” or alternate planes of consciousness. * Real or not, these states *feel* hyper-real and can yield transformative insights. * But they’re typically impermanent and may depend on context, set, and substance. **Evaluation:** Valid as an experiential path, but limited as a foundation for stable spiritual growth. It can show what’s possible but not sustain it. --- ### 🧘‍♂️ 4. **Dodo — Grounded Spiritual Practice** > “Don’t try to escape reality through spirituality… seek the permanent, not the temporary realm.” This echoes **Zen** and **mindfulness traditions**: * Spirituality is not about escaping to other planes, but awakening *within* this one. * The goal is not altered states but **altered traits** — peace, clarity, presence. **Evaluation:** Highly balanced. Reminds the seeker that even if other realms exist, the purpose is integration into ordinary life. --- ### ✨ 5. **Adrian Colby — Astral Projection & Verification** Adrian gives detailed accounts of **astral projection**, **lucid dreaming**, and **out-of-body experiences (OBEs)**, claiming verifiable results (e.g., seeing a friend’s room). * His approach is empirical — trying to consciously enter these states and test their validity. * References Monroe Institute and Tom Campbell (both pioneers of OBEs and consciousness research). **Evaluation:** Fascinating and well-grounded in parapsychological literature. Whether or not literally “real,” these experiences are psychologically and phenomenologically significant. They represent the **exploratory frontier** of consciousness studies. --- ### 🕊️ 6. **gettoefl & Wilhelm44 — Mystical Symbolism** gettoefl: “Heaven is in your midst; ego wants you to play games.” Wilhelm44: “Train your imagination like a muscle; amplify frequencies of magical experiences.” * **gettoefl** echoes Christian mysticism — Heaven is *here and now*, not elsewhere. * **Wilhelm44** leans toward **esoteric manifestation** or **imaginative energy work**, using memory and emotion to “tune” to higher states. **Evaluation:** Both highlight that the realms we seek “out there” may be accessed inwardly, through feeling, imagination, and surrender. --- ### 🔍 7. **Meta Evaluation — Integrating the Views** | Orientation | Key Idea | Potential Pitfall | Integrative View | | -------------------------- | ------------------------------------------ | ------------------------------------------- | ---------------------------------------------------------- | | Nondual | All is One; no “other” realms | Can become dismissive of genuine experience | Recognize unity while exploring multiplicity as expression | | Psychedelic / Experiential | Other realms accessible via altered states | Dependency, confusion | Use as glimpses, not crutches | | Grounded / Mindfulness | Be here now | May seem “boring” to seekers | Deep stability and lasting peace | | Exploratory / OBE | Conscious travel beyond body | Verification difficult | Treat as experiment, not belief | | Mystical / Symbolic | Heaven within; imagination as key | Ego inflation or delusion | See all states as reflections of consciousness itself | --- ### 🧩 **Conclusion** Whether “other realms” are *real* or *imaginal*, the **inner experience** of them is undeniably part of the spectrum of consciousness. But — as the wisest contributors implied — the *point* is not escaping this reality but understanding that all realms, experiences, and perceptions arise *within* the same infinite field: **you, awareness itself.** Or, as one mystic put it: > “Before enlightenment, explore other realms. > After enlightenment, realize they were all you.”

Oh yeah? I think thats a trap in spirituality. Wanting exotic experiences, can begin with pure intention, but it can also lead to addiction to altering normal everyday real life consciousness. A big ego game, how about we are more interested in the here and now and being here fully and more aware, not some altered states.

But what if he hammers sign post pointing to the ocean? That might be some useful language, if we are appearantly far away from the ocean (from our true nature)

Hi sir, the nature of reality is also your nature. If its matter, you are also made of matter If its mind, you are also made of mind If its consciousness, you are also made of consciousness Investigate what you are, "know thyself". One thing is true, you are not separate from the universe. ♡ #nonduality #love 😀

Surely that too, is known. The dream is within awareness. Take a step back. Surely you aren't typing a random string of letters. There is sense to what you type, a certain intelligence, a certain... knowing.. Lets not be combative but lets be brutally honest about what is appearing. Its not appearing in darkness, there is the light of knowing. I CANT say much that is absolutely true about this moment with confidence, but that there is knowing, that I'm certain. And I already mentioned, that the knowing itself has no spacial dimensions, so its not an object to be put inside the "dream of separation" as you call it.

Interesting, I am operating under the model of reality where that knowing IS the source. Can't confirm or deny, but I havent spontaneously combusted yet, thats a good sign! All I have of reality is concepts and perceiving. All those arise in knowing and are known by knowing. No knowing, no experience, hence why I call it the source.

You aren't aware this conversation is taking place? Nocap? No lying here please. You lying to yourself, not me. Unless you are aa robot, but from what I've seen from you, you're not. Trust me I'm good at observing. Dont overthink or reach for something you've read. There is awareness here, thats where the period goes, its directly evident.

Don't try to escape reality through spirituality, attempt to do spiritual workout so that your current reality flows and you live it more fully, thats my advice. When you live this "normal reality" in a more peaceful and magical way, thats how you know you are improving. But just like a workout, dont expect immediate results, and dont expect anything else to change, just you. My practice is being aware of awareness, it is simple and readily available workout for anyone. No drugs required, you are aware wiith or without drugs. Many chase exotic states, I believe some reach regret also aabout having such states due to other things that happen later. Look for something you are and were always, not an event in time, because if it comes, it will eventually also go. Look for the permanent, not a temporary realm. Live by : Before enlightenment chop wood carry water, after enlightenment chop wood carry water. Nothing changes, just the quality of experience is different. Less attachment, more acceptance.

You'd think the zero guy would be non-ipsistic, but no. You wrote yourself ZeroGuy when Leo says the truth is NoSelf and when Leo say the truth is Solipsism you are solipsist! Lets have a critical discussion on this. How is there 1 self, when we are 0 self?

That'll be 2000 bucks please, you drank a lot of nothingness there, sir. Sorry, we gotta pay the bills. Should've drank your own nothingness, pal!

Last Friday there was an Event which made you realise Solipsism? Are you trying to say that I am a figment of your imagination and don't have my own authonomy? Bold claim, dissmissive of my direct experience, you deaden what I am to a figment of your imagination, when I am a conscious being just like you. Maybe you just don't know that I am conscious and your parents and friends are conscious first hand, doesnt mean they arent the same consciousness that you are. Dont try to grasp infinity with the mind, you will go insane. How why oh no poor me sshhhh Be the Knowing of this moment, not any self, but the eternal no-self. That will fix your solipsism.