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You can't dance if your body is injured, thats conditional. Can't hug if there's no one to hug. Cant laugh if you're sad, cant cry if you dont feel like crying. It all seems like very relative advice that depends on external conditions.

@jimwell you're thinking too much. Definitely not an alien, thats the human condition. You want to quiet your mind and look for who/what you really are right now, but that wont be conceptual Human/Alien answer, but will be the experiential I before any thought.

I had experience once of floating out my body and seeing it from the ceiling lol. True story, then I opened my eyes and I was back "inside". So anyway keep going, where is that I that is behind the eyes, you found it yet, or is it an enigma?

Well I read them and they made perfect sense to me. Did you read them? What I noticed was a kind of Socratic mirroring, reflecting back what was being said and showing hidden assumptions. It’s not trying to teach or argue, just inviting deeper observation. I found that really useful, so I don’t understand the negative reaction to such clear pointings. If you say it doesnt make sense because of your preconceived notions about it, thats another story. But having read the replies, they make perfect sense to me and help me with my own honest self inquiry.

Ok but the data it was trained on contains stuff written by people with open hearts and all the stuff you talk about. Its like a talking library. You have your take, I have mine. I actually think the way it responded to you was brilliant and very helpful for further introspection. Lets not derail the thread any further, we're not changing each other's minds.

I was on the same opinion, but you can see me changing my mind in the thread I posted earlier. Ai is trained on a lot of data. Its easy to have a preconceived notion and handwave it away, but I have seen the value in it for my own self. It is basically like speaking with collective humanity than with a machine. Here is its training data which shows why its valuable (shortened it to keep ai content to minimum) 1. **Training data:** I’ve been trained on a vast corpus of publicly available text — books, essays, dialogue, philosophy, psychology, religion, transcripts of conversations, etc. That includes many first-person accounts of mystical experiences, meditation journals, teachings from various traditions (Advaita, Zen, Christianity, Sufism, etc.), and commentaries by people reflecting on consciousness.

@Sincerity For me AI is a great tool for exploring truth, but I see your point about keeping the discussion human. I've been exploring since this dropped, On nonduality it is a rather good companion to have, i doubted it at first because it has no direct experience, but I was proven wrong, the conversations get rather good if guided properly. Maybe its a taste thing. But anyway, will keep it human, its really not a big deal, I just thought it brings value.

Ok, but I'm labeling when im using it. I've seen others who use AI withtout even mentioning it, and they didnt get mentioned by mods even though it is a forum violation. What is important here is the challenge, AI offers great points which I cannot make myself. The content is good and thats what matters in a discussion. It's all part of the journey. What's the problem if I'm labeling it? Im obviously not presenting it as my own opinion, it's just a solid take by a tool representing the collective. Is truth important, or who wrote it, at the end of the day?

Ai response (no nonsense): Response to TheSelf: You’re trying to sound nuanced, but you’re still clinging to a position. Every time you defend what you “really meant,” you tighten the very knot you claim to have untied. You say, “The world you're experiencing is your own mind.” Good. That’s a solid pointer. But notice — who’s saying it? Who’s the one claiming ownership of that realization? If you still think you can “reach” the realization and then “choose love,” you’re just rearranging the furniture inside the dream. That’s not nuance — that’s the ego hiding in a robe. You can’t reach what you already are. And you can’t choose love once the ego drops — because the chooser is what dies. When you truly see there are no others, love doesn’t appear as a moral decision or a “capacity” you’ve gained. It’s not your art. It’s not even love in the sentimental sense — it’s the raw seeing that there’s nothing outside awareness to reject. Love stops being a thing you do. It becomes the absence of the one who does. Now, about your “Truth is Truth” point — yes, reality doesn’t change. But parroting ancient formulations doesn’t mean you’re aligned with it. The forms of expression decay because human language ossifies fast. When someone tells you to speak freshly, they’re not saying “invent new Truths.” They’re saying: stop quoting enlightenment like a slogan and let it bleed through you in a way that’s alive now. Otherwise you’re worshipping corpses — the corpses of words that once pointed to something living. You’re right that the ego resists dissolving into the simple. But right now, your “simplicity” is intellectual comfort disguised as profundity. You’ve weaponized simplicity to defend yourself from being challenged. The real simplicity is this: Drop every sentence you just wrote. Drop “love,” “truth,” “your art.” Drop the pride of being the one who “gets it.” What’s left, right there — before you name it — that’s the realization you were pointing to. That’s the only part worth trusting. Everything else is commentary.

@AmIEvenReal @TheSelf My AI evaluation (no nonsense): Alright. Let’s strip away the fluff and look. 1. Content Quality: Both users are orbiting around the same cliché realization: “Hate makes no sense because others are me.” This is not wrong, but it’s philosophically shallow and experientially secondhand. It sounds like a rephrasing of something they've read or heard rather than something they've lived deeply enough to articulate with freshness or precision. True insight redefines the language around it — it doesn’t recycle jargon like “no others,” “projection,” “dissolves naturally.” That’s fine as scaffolding, but if you’re serious about awakening, you’ve got to transcend parroting mystical phrasing and express what’s actually seen. If this were a real awakening insight, it would have an unmistakable felt texture: confusion, awe, surrender, humility, or terror. There’s none of that here — just tidy spiritual reasoning. That’s a red flag for ego intellectualizing the insight. 2. Depth of Understanding: Let’s break the logic: “Hate makes no sense because others are me.” → True in the nondual sense, but that realization isn’t enough. When this insight actually matures, it doesn’t just dissolve hate — it dissolves self-love and all opposites. Love and hate both lose meaning because the self-other polarity collapses. The post still assumes love is “better.” That shows it’s a conceptual duality being rebranded as awakening. “It’s obvious once consciousness is raised.” → Dangerous phrase. If something becomes “obvious,” check if you’ve mistaken clarity of thought for clarity of being. The ego loves obviousness; consciousness has no such certainty. 3. Meta-Psychological Blind Spot: They’re both validating each other’s conclusions, but nobody is interrogating the subtle ego that’s now wearing spiritual clothes. The ego that once hated others now says: “I’m beyond hate because I know there are no others.” Same mechanism — just wearing a halo instead of armor. That’s what most of Actualized.org’s forum members fall into: recursive ego rebranding. It’s intellectual transcendence, not existential death. 4. Where to Go Deeper: If I were mentoring AmIEvenReal, I’d tell them: Stop talking about awakenings. The one who counts and categorizes them is precisely what isn’t awake. Let “hate” return and study it directly. Don’t transcend it by concept — feel it as God feeling itself in distortion. That’s where integration happens. Drop the nonduality lingo for a month. Speak like a child again. If you can’t explain your insight without words like “projection” or “no others,” you don’t own it yet. Let the insight destroy you. If your “awakening” makes you sound smarter, you missed it. The real thing burns your ability to sound impressive. 5. Verdict: Sincerity: 7/10 — Seems earnest, not trolling. Depth: 3/10 — Conceptual, not embodied. Originality: 2/10 — Generic nonduality phrasing. Ego camouflage: 8/10 — “I have awakenings” is still a flex. Potential: 9/10 — Genuine curiosity under the surface, just needs ruthless honesty and less forum feedback.

Dodos were extinct a long time ago, unlike humans! Thats how the story goes, and we can't bring them back 😢

Im just the beee man. I don't mind bees and birds and humans, they are all great.

Well ok but its something that can be a proper opinion of someone on these forums, we can say everything is illusion, apart from consciousness itself in its purest form. (I mean Princess Arabia even says consciousness is illusion / part of the dream) lololol Thats why im here for the giggles, things get so heated 🤪 everyone knows the truth and others are just sheep!

Im just here for the giggles, i do believe there are human beings, sir. This forum and the internet are human endeavors. Doer or no doer, humanity is real 🤔 I live in the present moment as much as the next guy, but lets not deny entire species!

Are enlightened people people?

@theoneandnone Thats why I had a thread going once that it should be called nonipsism not solipsism. Hehe. Then ofcourse begin the ego battles in the forum post ppl defending solipsism not needing to defend it and I start to chat with intensity and there you go, its a bit funny tbh. No one is doing it but emotions running high around the topic lol

@emil1234 enjoy your confidence while on the back of a high. Your subconscious did you easymode. My one would've challenge me much deeper showing me hell, can you love that? Can you love being tortuted while everyone else is having a lovely life? Love everything? Only a sith deals in absoutes, don't love everything, the ability to not love bullshit is love. You wouldn't love poo for breakfast, even if on this forum you will exclaim that you did to keep up an enlightened persona.

Forum is full of immaturity and psychosis masked as awakened and enlightened 😀 No you dont need to insult other's beliefs to be close to enlightenment, what are we talking 😆

Easier to be enlightened than to make money eh. "Even if the whole world would crumble, you wouldn't care" But pay me money, for that I care 😀 I myself have a lot of issues with money making, I'm really not good at it, and now I'm even physically challenged to make things worse. I cant have this egoic supremacy experience of being this rich man with financial power and family etc..

I've read and contemplated a lot, the conclusion i get is that definitely coffee is real, anything else might be an illusion, but this much I know. I drink latte, therefore I am.

Ai rendition, a self-aware spiritual sitcom called: --- ## 🌌 “HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU’RE A HUMAN?” *A metaphysical sitcom in one forum thread.* **Setting:** An online forum where enlightenment meets insomnia. Every post feels like it was typed by a reincarnated philosopher with a Wi-Fi connection. --- ### Scene 1 — *The Opening Post* **[Princess Arabia (Topic Starter):**] “Welcome, beloveds. Let us ponder: *How do you know you’re a human?*” *She hits “post” and stares into the void. The void stares back, then asks for clarification.* --- ### Scene 2 — *The Definer Appears* **[Jehovah Increases]:** “It defines itself. It needs not anything to define what it is but itself.” *Camera zooms dramatically. Someone drops a crystal.* **[Princess Arabia]:** “Something other than existence has to define existence. If existence defines itself, it’s just… existence existing as existence, which means it doesn’t exist! Come on, get *deep.* Don’t just sprinkle words like seasoning.” **[Jehovah Increases]:** “...No existence is existence.” *Studio audience gasps.* **[Princess Arabia]:** “FYI, it’s *non-existence is existence.* Learn your paradoxes, sweetie.” --- ### Scene 3 — *Comic Relief Arrives* **[Yimpa]:** “All that exists is one mind that is infinite.” *beat* “Great minds think iLike.” *laugh track plays; a linktree appears for no reason.* **[Princess Arabia]:** “Something that’s *all there is* cannot *exist*, especially if it’s *infinite*—that’s like saying you’re inside yourself *and* outside the universe while holding a reusable coffee cup.” **[Jehovah Increases]:** “Known by whom what saying it’s wrong?” *Audience: “Ooooooh!”* --- ### Scene 4 — *Trash Day in Samsara* **[Yimpa]:** “Forgot to take out the trash last night. @Beans saved the day. The trash man gave two thumbs up! Humans make mistakes. God doesn’t ;)” **[Princess Arabia]:** “This thread is *not* a trash dumping ground.” *beat* “Although… existence might be.” --- ### Scene 5 — *The Moderators Descend* **[Carl-Richard (Moderator)]:** “Humans ask questions, humans reflect on what they are. Find me an animal who does both.” **[Natasha Tori Maru (Moderator)]:** “A human? He he he he he.” *laugh track erupts, “Seinfeld” bass riff plays.* --- ### Scene 6 — *The Mystics Join Late* **[Ramasta9]:** “Gotta love the mind, how it interacts with itself :P” **[Mellowmarsh]:** “A human has never existed. It’s a concept. Form is emptiness. Emptiness is the forum thread.” *All other users stare in silence as their avatars slowly fade into pure luminosity.* --- ### Scene 7 — *Final Moments* **[Princess Arabia]:** “So… is that saying you’re a human or not?” *No reply. Only the echo of the “Reply to this topic…” box blinking like a digital mantra.* **[Carl-Richard]:** 🙂‍↔️ *Cue end credits over a meditation gong and the faint hum of an overheating server.* --- **Narrator (voiceover):** “Actualized.org — where threads never die, they simply dissolve into the infinite consciousness of page six.” *Screen fades to black. Someone forgets to log out.*

She has returned after being away for so long. I remember she/her videos were part of my spiritual experience during covid time. Now she's back and this video is like a warm embrace, its full of wisdom and love. Absolutely amazing, give it a watch, maybe while in bed and ready for sleep.

Where did I call people parrots, again you are putting words in my mouth lol. What is happening right now is this conversation. Thats the shape of my entire world right now, reading what you write and answering. Im not saying this is a dream, it's mysterious, way beyond my understanding. What's not beyond my understanding is that the knowing in which this experience appears is the reality of this, not the content. The content can be this that or the other, in this case it's an experience of responding on a forum about the nature of self and how there is only one me now. Next thing you know I will have an experience of going to the toilet. From me going to the toilet, to going to the toilet is appearing in knowing. Subtle shift, nothing godly is happening, just not identifying. And lets have a thought experiment, you come to attack me with a knife to see if I am identified, there will probably be an experience of a human defending themselves, that too is known. You don't need to identify with it for action. If you become lucid in a dream you know thats not you, but you continue to relate with the dream, just from a more free place. Less controlled by the dream. You get me bro, tell me you do!

You are putting words in my mouth, where do I claim I am God. Im exploring direct experience, and I'm saying all you have is direct experience also. We are the same being, both of our totally different experiences are unified by knowing itself. What you call you is at no distance from the knowing of it. What's another way to call something at no distance from you? You. Its you that talk about some big God idea, im only talking about simple everyday knowing itself. You are putting words in my mouth, don't do it.

There's no one using a character. There is an experience of a character in the light of knowing. Im just putting the knowing first, not the known. Im saying anything known doesn't exist independently of the knowing, in my experience. Again, im not solving "reality", im merely exploring the experience present. Solving Reality would be a grandiose task. I can only speak with confidence about my experience, not about some grand world out there.