Dodo

Question: How do you know I am sad? By my words? You are projecting. I am perfectly calm at this moment, following the teachings of Eckhart Tolle, by being in my body, silencing the mind, acknowledging my breath. I am letting life happen and I am observing it. Not trying to force anything. At this moment I am writing a comment to you, and I am observing that consciously and I am also observing how riled up and defensive you get and even resort to verbal "attacks" to the other party. All I'm saying is that I am not convinced you are enlightened. It doesn't matter and it shouldn't matter to you if my self that I am observing at this moment is doing this projection towards you, if you understand what I mean. Let it be, me thinking you're not enlightened is not hurting anyone but your apparently non-existent ego.

You mean I should teach my ego, make my Ego white-ish (spiritual) like I am implying you have done?

Can say the same towards you and be right also.

I've read or heard somewhere that by taking drugs you can only see nirvana through the window / break in uninvited, so you are kicked out when the effect wears off of-course. But probably the realization one gets during that psychedelic satori stay, right? At least some wisdom

The thing is the things you're saying @Socrates anyone with spiritual understanding can say, but the way you say them, the energy that I get is that neediness to be right. I don't know, text doesn't translate emotion and intent that well. F it.

The only thing I'm point here is even if you are right on the level of thought, the very way you act, the way you defend, like you have figured it out is a way for your own ego to grow. By being right in this argument your goal (without you knowing) is for your ego to conserve this as the truth and grow, because "yes, I know what's false". My ego is in a fight with your ego it's just I think you've deceived yourself that you no longer have an ego? Which is scary imo. PS: Thanks for the conversation anyway, I had a realization while writing it. PS#2: Bottom line is if you are enlightened you should realize that some people in the matrix are still going to think you're in the matrix (can't just believe you right away and shouldn't really). If you're not enlightened but just deceiving yourself, this should've helped you a bit.

You said Emerald did not have an enlightenment experience through ayahuasca. That's what I mean by you act like you know it all. You somehow know that another did not have an enlightenment experience through a drug, because of your own experience with drugs?

I am false and you are true? I do not follow

I don't know, Socrates, your comments always dig deep into my ego and maybe that's your hidden agenda, but maaaaan. You sound like the authority on the subject, like you now know ALL, and shouldnt enlightenment mean you now know you don't know? And something about always defending your mental position, my egoic me keeps on screaming "that folk aint enlightened" Sorry

From" A Bird on the Wing" by Osho - "The more simple a thing the more difficult it is to understand. " So my logical mind immediately kicks in by the following : If enlightenment is infinitely simple, then it is infinitely hard to understand <=> Nothingness is infinitely hard to understand <=> we shouldn't try to understand it, because we need an infinite mind for that.

2 words: Mary Juana

What about the experiences of other dimensions? I have this memory of navigating through other dimensions maybe before I was born or after I died. Now I know I can be deceiving myself or it might've been a dream, but it looks pretty damn real in my memory... That's the sort of thing I'm talking about, Being aware of higher dimensions and ultimately having the actual sense of being an infinite being.

Sorry, but completely wrong. So you do the meditation reciting mantra yes! But you do it for 15 minutes. The other 5 minutes are more important though for transcending the self, u need to send some money to me over my paypal because that way ur self becomes selfLESS (less money, get it?) ! Yeah Enjoy

Don't worry about that, I know that time is an illusion and that all there is is the now. I know my idea is an idea, but it can't be otherwise, as I can't communicate a non-idea. You are also communicating an idea. Also I just started reading an Osho book and the things about seeking you're saying in your next comment.

Still not sure, because the things you're saying are different to other things I've read and heard about enlightenment. Ultimately that doesn't matter, right? We're playing the language game here.

Wait, so by saying you were enlightened earlier you just meant you are you? Like anyone can say they are enlightened and be correct? My idea of non-enlightened is someone that is still burdened by his mind (like me), so I wouldn't say I'm enlightened. Maybe after I remove the dirt from the window (the mind) I will be!

have you considered maybe you haven't reached enlightenment but are just thinking you did? Isn't it when someone says they're enlightened they aren't? Something like saying you are humble means you're not humble, because to be humble you have to just be humble and by saying it you are ultimately missing the point?

I thought it's a good idea he jumps into it. Any suffering will be helpful to the process.

Sounds to me like you're digging into Ego stuff here. Isn't the idea of enlightenment to realize that there is no actual *you* perceiving everything else? Especially with the free will, you are only feeding what you want to realize you're not? Or am I wrong?

Is strong determination sitting about sitting in a chair or in a lotus position? I couldn't see that information anywhere.

you are

But many advanced spiritual people say that enlightenment being rare is a myth? (Or worded differently, I do not remember the exact thing)

Unfortunately being unsuccessful money-wise is part of the reason of my situation, so I can't see a psychiatrist/psychologist. I do read psychology books however and spiritual ones. I wouldn't consider myself mentally ill (probably no-one does, but still), the reason I was ready to end my life was that I didn't believe I have the energy to keep "fighting" and also had the realization that life is infinite a couple of days before - I can't really explain it, but I had these "memories" that after I've died before (previous lives?) I suddenly am in the most beautiful place one can imagine and that my whole "life" was an illusion / hell. I was ready to see if I was right. Also my suicidal attempts were triggered by the loss of a lot of money, so I wouldn't worry about me going to be doing anything like that in my life again, especially after I've started to dig deep into my emotional states with meditation and with the ability to stop thinking.

I disagree with your view. Life is not an ego fest of who will gain more than the rest and "level up". Life is for enjoying it. If there are levels, however, they would not be associated with monetary gains or intelligence, but with enlightenment, consciousness levels. The way you put it is too Ego involved and that is a model we want to get rid of (I think). The reason we want to get rid of it, is because it creates a lot of suffering, a lot of unfulfilled desires and at the end of one's life he asks himself "While I've been doing all this time, I forgot to just be." An enlightened and poor money-wise person, lives more fully and fulfills his life purpose (to live) more fully than a rich businessmen that has it all in the world of form, but has not learned how to be and therefore does not appreciate life at it's fullest.