Dodo

There are many different valid ways to answer something and just because you dont like what was said does not make it invalid. Also you dont know the circumstances around me typing those things. It was not the full focus of attention (I was at work), so I couldn't give the most indepth answers I could have, obviously. Im trying to make it simple. But that is also a happening not under my control. The feeling of free will is there, but it is only just that - a feeling. It is to be transcended like all other beliefs based on a whim. Only you can transcend your beliefs, because only you can be concious of them. This is the ultimate You, which is the I am conciousness (to put that fancy word out there for some spiritual street cred) Anyway, I dont consider this as non duality war, but it might look like one and Leo has posted against it, I think we need to stop our little conversation, even though it is very enjoyable to be part of it. Maybe we continue in private messages

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The answer is, i am not the buddha. I am not a teacher. I am, period. Take it or leave it, it's God's will. People who would go indepth will also just be a happening. Spiritual advanced people are still part of the illusion/happening . Ramana Maharshi did not do, God did. When you get there's nothing to get, you will get.

Realising you are not the doer experientially leads to non resistance. The mind stops resisting, the Ego stops resisting, when it is not energised in the direction of resistance. Ego and mind are illusory, because I am only I am. Everything beyond I am, even the words I am are up to interpretation. Thats how the game is played. I dont know if you are resisting and you dont know if i am resisting, because those are projections based on reading pixels on a screen. Or if it was face to face conversation, you could ever only be judging an image of me, not the reality of I am, which is undeniable. DONT WORRY, YOU ALSO ARE. You just think you also Do. It's the belief that will cause you suffering. Whatever i am saying is not ultimate truth, because the ultimate truth is the actual I am. These are not beliefs, this is a happening.

You think Jesus on the cross didn't feel anything? It's a different kind of suffering we are talking about here, lets not confuse. We are talking about ordinary day to day living. Not if we will feel pain if someone cuts off our genitals. But im sure Jesus didnt have inner resistance to the happening, nor judgement towards those who were doing the torturing. His understanding was compplete. Forgive them they know not what they do.

The problem here is simple, because it doesn't exist. The realisation is there that I am not the doer and it is experiential. Investigation happened, realisation happened, this post happened, all along there is the full understanding that there is no doer, it is a happening. The understanding that what you wrote also is a happening and there was no doer is also there. I am nothing. Nothing = 0 - what is left is I am. I am is 1. 1 in infinity is 0. I am nothing. Therefore I am. It's a loop. Judging the happening for not giving you the answers/things/actions you wanted is exactly how the chain of suffering begins. So here's your answe to what is ego: Everything on top of I am is Ego. Not saying its bad. Its quite necessary for life.

To all the what is questions, the answer i have is the same : they are words, concepts and ? ideas. Do we have free will? No. From my investigation of reality I conclude I do not control even thoughts that come to my awareness let alone all the processes in the body, the genes and conditioning. We do have the feeling of free will however. What causes suffering? Not fully realising that one is not the doer.

Woo So I think I get it, its like judging your own art haha. Better to accept your art then judge it, and accept it as art showing just a small part of the other. Like one over infinity small part because everyone'sas deep as source. Like Trump is one of the best targets for such contemplation, because so many people judge him

One word: Powerful Thank you <3

Unenlightened is enjoyer, enlightened is a super enjoyer I agree fully with your post and want to add that people should lighten up about enlightenment. It's not candy, it is simply the noticing in any experience of the thing that is always there and can never not be there, which should bring joy. It's there even when the mind is saying it doesn't get it or that it is not there. This is only another belief/doubt to become conscious of and let go of.

But both the easy walking and falling 1000 feet down into a deep ocean are experiences - what we are after here is the only thing which is not experience and is everywhere no matter what. So it is neither the walk, nor the high dive, it's behind both, so it can be accessed from deep or shallow, it's your choice when and where (or is it).

What I mean by enlightenment is Buddha's definition - end of suffering. The knowledge needed is out there and we have the opportunity to get guided there by thousands of years of work cummulated up to this moment, made by the wisest of the wise ti aid us. Ofcourse its easy.

Yeah as is everyone else. This is the game hellooo?

Enlightenment is hard only because of the belief. This is the true dogma and is sad that minds will never let go of the idea its super hard. If You expect enlightenment to mean you are superhuman you will most likely never get there. Its for absolutely everyone. But here comes the problem with words. Maybe what you mean by enlightenment is different than my definition

Self enquiry also engulfs shadow work. So you can do shadow work obviously and as i said, self enquiry doesnt stop you from doing what you're doing, it only detaches you from illusion. It can only help the healing process. But sure i will apply for the jobb you recommended if i find any offers in this economy

If it's so, i dont see why you are telling yourself that you cant yet do self enquiry....

That's what im telling you, its a misconception that you have, you can self enquire from any point of the flow of life. Its self destructive only if you take yourself for illusion. What is true cannot be destroyed, so there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Who you are cannot be destroyed. It's an amazing process, you dont need to repress anything, let all of your bodymind and ego come forward and you see its not that big of a deal. You are always beyond it ane allowing it to be. Let your bodymind be as it is and exactly as it is at the moment, you'll just be observing from the strategic hidden position of the true self that can never be hurt by life's happening. That way you can allow yourself to experience emotions fully and trully understand that thought and emotion can never hurt you, because they are just happenings inside you. You realize its just a happening, all of it, and you dont need to label it, then you're free. But you decide, i might be talking complete crap, it just makes a lot of sense to me personally.

Emotions should be dealt with the same way as thought. They should not be any more important in my opinion. Sepf enquiry doesn't only need to be a who am I. Every thought and emotion is helpful for self enquiry, as one can ask, who is the one experiencing this emotion/thought. Which is equivalent to asking who am i. This is true self enquiry and i only say this to you because you said you havent got much experience with serious self enquiry. What im trying to get at is, that its not self enquiry s fault and its not a reason to stop it if ego is weak. Problem comes when not doing it the right way (when one does it mechanically and not during the flow of life)

This is purified ego, still illusion. But I agree, continuous unbroken peace of mind due to the deepest and simplest understanding (Enlightenment) eventually lead to the outcomes you specified. One can struggle to achieve them or let go to the truth that is already here now. You really need self enquiry its the most important to get the self enquiry realisations and to be able to nourish them and let your ego remember it is unreal. Thats one of the ways to permanently detatch from it i guess, and only when you detach from it comes the true peace of mind which allows that ego to transform and purify by the will of God.

For the kitten to become a dragon only the realisation that it is not a kitten is needed. No time required. Purification comes after, if this realisation of no self is nourished. Give love to nothingness/conciousness , not to the false ego you are trying to transcend. This will get you deeper in the web of it and then you'll just have to jump down from higher up. Also dont underestimate the kitten, it can grow perfectly fine without you, because it is already doing it. We ain't doing anything, its all the kitten.

Im not disagreeing as to piss on your idea, i disagree with the intention to help you see the simplest truth, which will quickly change your idea of enlightenment. As someone said here already, enlightenment is not the raising of awareness, its the first thing before you start raising awareness. Its like realising the number 0, on which now you can start building. Everything becomes a game, even neurosis. You can observe it, it's not you. Now you can drop it. ITS NOT ONLY FIGURE OF SPEECH THAT ENLIGHTENMENT IS THE EASIEST THING, ITS THE LIBERATING TRUTH. What comes after it is the hard part, but its like a hard game, not soperson al anymore. Lets play

It seems like you are in the part of your journey where you still are deeply identifying with your body and the ego that can be depressed. You are judging a lot and dont realise if you were me you would write the same things <3 i know this to be true, because it is already the case. What I am saying is that even if the person looks depressed to you, and feels depressed and is depressed, that doesn't mean they are depressed. Its the illusion that is depressed. We're here in this forum for enlightenment. It is the ultimate cure. Why would people need to wait for something that is their true nature already? Ps : I dont know your inner state while we are corresponding, and you dont know mine. Any energy is not who you are, so whatever you sense is not the other nor you .

Fear of letting go.

Rali does not know it all. One cannot know the inner world of others, one can only know their own self, so one should not judge others. If a person looks like they are escaping on the outside, that doesnt prove anything about their inner state. Just like a person can look calm when they are neurotic inside, a person can look neurotic when they are calm inside. It is all part of the bigger picture and is perfect.

Exactly, spot on. I dont get all the fear is about, fear is just in mind, we are beyond mind. If there is neurosis it means his mind is fighting the truth, so its helping him know hes not doing something right, its all good.