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Woo So I think I get it, its like judging your own art haha. Better to accept your art then judge it, and accept it as art showing just a small part of the other. Like one over infinity small part because everyone'sas deep as source. Like Trump is one of the best targets for such contemplation, because so many people judge him

One word: Powerful Thank you <3

Unenlightened is enjoyer, enlightened is a super enjoyer I agree fully with your post and want to add that people should lighten up about enlightenment. It's not candy, it is simply the noticing in any experience of the thing that is always there and can never not be there, which should bring joy. It's there even when the mind is saying it doesn't get it or that it is not there. This is only another belief/doubt to become conscious of and let go of.

But both the easy walking and falling 1000 feet down into a deep ocean are experiences - what we are after here is the only thing which is not experience and is everywhere no matter what. So it is neither the walk, nor the high dive, it's behind both, so it can be accessed from deep or shallow, it's your choice when and where (or is it).

What I mean by enlightenment is Buddha's definition - end of suffering. The knowledge needed is out there and we have the opportunity to get guided there by thousands of years of work cummulated up to this moment, made by the wisest of the wise ti aid us. Ofcourse its easy.

Yeah as is everyone else. This is the game hellooo?

Enlightenment is hard only because of the belief. This is the true dogma and is sad that minds will never let go of the idea its super hard. If You expect enlightenment to mean you are superhuman you will most likely never get there. Its for absolutely everyone. But here comes the problem with words. Maybe what you mean by enlightenment is different than my definition

Self enquiry also engulfs shadow work. So you can do shadow work obviously and as i said, self enquiry doesnt stop you from doing what you're doing, it only detaches you from illusion. It can only help the healing process. But sure i will apply for the jobb you recommended if i find any offers in this economy

If it's so, i dont see why you are telling yourself that you cant yet do self enquiry....

That's what im telling you, its a misconception that you have, you can self enquire from any point of the flow of life. Its self destructive only if you take yourself for illusion. What is true cannot be destroyed, so there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Who you are cannot be destroyed. It's an amazing process, you dont need to repress anything, let all of your bodymind and ego come forward and you see its not that big of a deal. You are always beyond it ane allowing it to be. Let your bodymind be as it is and exactly as it is at the moment, you'll just be observing from the strategic hidden position of the true self that can never be hurt by life's happening. That way you can allow yourself to experience emotions fully and trully understand that thought and emotion can never hurt you, because they are just happenings inside you. You realize its just a happening, all of it, and you dont need to label it, then you're free. But you decide, i might be talking complete crap, it just makes a lot of sense to me personally.

Emotions should be dealt with the same way as thought. They should not be any more important in my opinion. Sepf enquiry doesn't only need to be a who am I. Every thought and emotion is helpful for self enquiry, as one can ask, who is the one experiencing this emotion/thought. Which is equivalent to asking who am i. This is true self enquiry and i only say this to you because you said you havent got much experience with serious self enquiry. What im trying to get at is, that its not self enquiry s fault and its not a reason to stop it if ego is weak. Problem comes when not doing it the right way (when one does it mechanically and not during the flow of life)

This is purified ego, still illusion. But I agree, continuous unbroken peace of mind due to the deepest and simplest understanding (Enlightenment) eventually lead to the outcomes you specified. One can struggle to achieve them or let go to the truth that is already here now. You really need self enquiry its the most important to get the self enquiry realisations and to be able to nourish them and let your ego remember it is unreal. Thats one of the ways to permanently detatch from it i guess, and only when you detach from it comes the true peace of mind which allows that ego to transform and purify by the will of God.

For the kitten to become a dragon only the realisation that it is not a kitten is needed. No time required. Purification comes after, if this realisation of no self is nourished. Give love to nothingness/conciousness , not to the false ego you are trying to transcend. This will get you deeper in the web of it and then you'll just have to jump down from higher up. Also dont underestimate the kitten, it can grow perfectly fine without you, because it is already doing it. We ain't doing anything, its all the kitten.

Im not disagreeing as to piss on your idea, i disagree with the intention to help you see the simplest truth, which will quickly change your idea of enlightenment. As someone said here already, enlightenment is not the raising of awareness, its the first thing before you start raising awareness. Its like realising the number 0, on which now you can start building. Everything becomes a game, even neurosis. You can observe it, it's not you. Now you can drop it. ITS NOT ONLY FIGURE OF SPEECH THAT ENLIGHTENMENT IS THE EASIEST THING, ITS THE LIBERATING TRUTH. What comes after it is the hard part, but its like a hard game, not soperson al anymore. Lets play

It seems like you are in the part of your journey where you still are deeply identifying with your body and the ego that can be depressed. You are judging a lot and dont realise if you were me you would write the same things <3 i know this to be true, because it is already the case. What I am saying is that even if the person looks depressed to you, and feels depressed and is depressed, that doesn't mean they are depressed. Its the illusion that is depressed. We're here in this forum for enlightenment. It is the ultimate cure. Why would people need to wait for something that is their true nature already? Ps : I dont know your inner state while we are corresponding, and you dont know mine. Any energy is not who you are, so whatever you sense is not the other nor you .

Fear of letting go.

Rali does not know it all. One cannot know the inner world of others, one can only know their own self, so one should not judge others. If a person looks like they are escaping on the outside, that doesnt prove anything about their inner state. Just like a person can look calm when they are neurotic inside, a person can look neurotic when they are calm inside. It is all part of the bigger picture and is perfect.

Exactly, spot on. I dont get all the fear is about, fear is just in mind, we are beyond mind. If there is neurosis it means his mind is fighting the truth, so its helping him know hes not doing something right, its all good.

For me its simple: Non judgement and not caring can be synonymous in some cases, the two concepts meet. Why would not caring about a situation be bad. Not caring about it is a direct result if not judging reality. But if the not caring is directed at people, it's different. One can at the same time not judge people and still care about them. In fact when one realise that everyone else in truth is the same one, caring about others and not judging them will happen automatically. (which is the substance of true love ?)

Does it also mean that if we rid our selves of judgement we get rid of the bad part of ego? I'm experiencing joy and peace of mind currently, after fully realising everyone and everything is just the way it should be, including me. This coupled with the realisation of no I and the dropping of center of conciousness to the chest area. Nothing special really, but it feels lovely, even if it's non enlightenment. It is how it is.

It's illogical to judge anyone, even yourself if one has realised the illusion of free will. Everyone and everything is the way it should be at this moment. If judging arises, one should remember if they were in the shoes of the other, they will act the same way. There is no separate "soul" within every body, so Johny will be Johny no matter what. And if we add our spiritual understanding also, because until now i was just talking about what the realisation of no free will should bring, the awareness experiencing johny is the same awareness that is experiencing Dodoster and everyone else. So yeah only ignorance can judge and its a good way to see if you've attained liberation When we see another we need to notice the one subject (self) experiencing their bodymind object (including ego) and the subject experiencing our bodymind object (including ego) is the same. The only thing is to think about the best way to help them on their journey with our words or actions, because they are us.

@WaveInTheOcean I'm halfway through reading your comment, and will continue it later, but just need to ask about law of casuality - do you mean law of causality or is this law of casuality something I am not aware of yet? It's probably a typo. Forgive me, but your post is a big wave in the ocean to read all at once

But like what i am trying to do is point to you through logical understanding the experiential understanding. Im trying to tell you that ANY experience is good enough to follow it to it's root and find that you are there, silent, not judging, definitely not the body, definitely not the mind. You can get there from any experience, because if it is not ever present and unchanging it is not you. Im speaking from experience here, everyone that knows me knows I am pretty bad at learning things. If i didnt have the present moment experience of that, i wouldnt be able to talk about it.

It doesn't need to comprehend, it needs to relax. Actually if it wants to comprehend it all, it will do the opposite of relax and accept... It will be striving for and resisting being 'unenlightened'

Would guess it's an amazing experience. It is still an experience however. It has a beginning and an end - I have no authority to talk about that, because I haven't tried it. But from where I stand, it is not experience one should be seeking, but the question - who is experiencing this? Then maybe the experience of infinity will come on its own. For me it's simpler to think about enlightenment as the end of suffering and not as the experiencing of God, because if it's meant to happen, you will experience God(infinity) in due time. But any specific experience has beginning and end, and we have to be looking not for extraordinary experience, although if we can get them - THATS AWESOME, but for the right here and now and how we can be satisfied and happy in the present moment right now and in this "ordinary" life experience. One has to see that the ordinary is also extraordinary. 5MeO is conditional and not everyone has access to it, but who you are, you always have access to that and always are that, even when seemingly in illusion.