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I can easily see that both of you are constructing some persona around solipsism as the final attainment aka Enlightenment and that you have arrived. I'm here to suggest you both don't know who you are. Look at the experience of deep sleep to get a less dramatic answer to the question who you are. Truth is not about appearing grandiose.

Its good to know you perceive that Razard is right now going through a solipsistic awakening and is having a difficult emotional time, as you keep replying. The way I see it is that he is some sort of solipsistic guru here to tell everyone what they are missing if they don't fall in the same spiritual trap as him, but you know better, since you are also there.

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This is not a Solipsism debate. This as Non-ipsism debate. You obviously experienced something else, that this thread is not about. There was a self there that was suffering something. I am not asking about such an experience. You and Razard can hide your comments if you like, and I will hide my comments replying to them, as to not fill the thread up, because I am looking for specific answers, in search of truth. Not about someone else's experience about an unrelated topic. 0!=1

Guys, you have like 500 threads about solipsism to circlejerk on. Please address the issues in my last post

Timestamped 10:00. Leo does keep saying "Consciousness exists", but that's because he is using the word exist as "its real", not that it "stands out" which is the real meaning of the word. Basically everything he is saying is what I am saying. So I would argue Leo is a non-ipsist. Remember that Leo's target audience is Materialists! 14:30 he suddenly jumps to the conclusion that consciousness can be seen as a giant mind, here is where I am on another boat. That's where his Solipsism root lies. I have no evidence that consciousness is a giant mind, and in fact his earlier statement, that consciousness needs to be without quality to allow for qualities to appear within it, gets trumped by this. Suddenly consciousness has qualities of mind? I would need some further proof of that exact thing. Fire away. PS: Here's just a wonky theory, I don't claim the following is true, I am just trying to understand this solipsistic phenomenon. Maybe there is a giant mind entity, bigger then all other minds, that wants to assert itself as the highest, like a superego, but it is still within the Consciousness with no qualities. As it is so large, larger than all other minds, it lacks the subtlety. There is no other mind (or circle) bigger than it (at the time) to argue with that superego or tell it otherwise, and consciousness itself is silent on the matter, because it is just the space that allows that largest circle to know itself, so that mind appears to itself be God and claims Godhood - again, just because there is no bigger circle (YET) to say otherwise. and because that superego can't see beyond itself just like the normal ego in normal state of consciousness. Just the same delusion, on a whole other level.

Are you alone in deep sleep? There is no other? You are alone? Or there is no self either? Please, be as arrogant as you wish, you don't need to care about my feelings, we are talking about truth, right? It makes perfect sense that God / Consciousness is 0. Solipsist takes God/Consciousness to be 1, hence "I am God" statements and solipsism arise. Its a paradoxical subject, because you are that 0 consciousness that doesn't exist. You think they were joking that it can't be grasped with the mind??? if God/Consciousness was 1, thats singularity. It is too full of itself to allow anything else to appear within it. There is no SPACE for anything else! How does God create anything if he is everything already?

There needs to be a you to experience Solipsism. God does not exist - that, just like Leo says about solipsism, shouldn't be viewed with a negative connotation and bias. Consciousness doesn't exist. Everything else is allowed to exist within it. Consciousness does not. If you can see this you are already a Non-ipsist and Solipsism is a joke. If consciousness existed, it would be an appearance. To exist means to STAND OUT. "From French exister, from Latin existō, exsistō (“I am, I exist, appear, arise”)" Consciousness does not ARISE, you definitely are not arrogant, you are just wrong.

I watched part of it. Lets do simple maths. No self, No other. Is this SOLipsism or NONipsism? Self and no other = Solipsism. You are alone. No self and no other = Nonipsism. Welcome back to reality, you are not alone, there is no you. Leo is talking about pure Non-ipsism in this video. When he says You, he is not talking about your 1self, but about the 0self of all. Thats what everyone failing to grasp and its too simple, a child can see it. Beginners mind please. Before enlightenment - Chop wood, carry water After enlightenment - Chop wood, carry water.

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Non-ipsism is the perfect way to point to Ramana's truth. I'm sorry you are attached to the concepts "dream" and "solipsism" to the point you've created a spiritual egoic identity around them. Anyone who disagrees is a confused illusion. Completely disgraceful

If you are a prickle he will say goo. If you are a goo he will say prickle. Until you are a prickly goo. I am humble and honest. So sorry that I disagree with you. If you are making a religion out of his words, you already admit that you missed his teaching completely. Why do you think he didnt allow them to write it down? Entertain me. My answer: because the specific pill was for their mind. Not for everyones.

You are talking out your butthole and gaslighting me. Ofcourse Ramana didnt make the videos, its all from his devotees. What are you trying to pull? Specifically you have missed that anything Ramana said to his students was NOT it. His teaching was silence, I already said this! Ramana would not for a second entrtain your egoic view of reality. He would say things to specific people based on the situation, but these thins were not his teaching. Even the self inquiry "Who am I" is Not Ramana's teaching, but a tool to quiet the mind. You really are going to talk about Ramana Huh?

You need to learn more about Ramana lmao... You're talking with a guy who has binged on Ramana videos for a decade. What you are doing is using these spiritual teachers to present your delusions as true and calling me confused. If you give me a poop on a golden platter, im still not eating that shit! "Oh you're saying the golden platter is not incredible?" "No dude, the golden platter is amazing!! But what you added onto it smells rotten!"

Don't give me that. Disagree with Ramana? His main teaching was silence... Lol... Disagree with Jesus? His main teaching was love. Everything these teachers said was a concession to the thinking mind. They gave you toys to play with to keep your attention while the presence works on you. Please dont give me that. You speak to me about Ramana Maharshi... lol you have no idea who I am.

The reason you can never know is because you can never witness it. "BeCaUsE iT dOeSnT eXisT" is your own assumption and preference. You really write a lot, and I already explained much in detail in previous post. Its 8am and i spent a lot of time writing to you yesterday, and seems in vein. So here is everything explained by an AI which shows exactly the narrow mindedness of your position here. And I am close minded. Sure.... Me: If something is out of your direct experience, you cannot prove if its there or not right now. Guy says that means it doesn't exist. Anothrr guy says it does exist. Third guy says, we cant be sure whether it exists or not. 4th guy says it both exists and not in superposition. Which guy is right ChatGPT: Each person's perspective represents a different philosophical stance: 1. The first guy's perspective reflects a strict empiricist view that only accepts what can be directly observed or experienced as real. From this standpoint, if something is beyond direct experience, it's deemed nonexistent. 2. The second guy believes in the existence of things beyond direct experience, possibly based on faith, intuition, or belief systems. For him, existence transcends direct sensory perception. 3. The third guy holds an agnostic viewpoint, acknowledging the limitations of human knowledge and refraining from making definitive claims about the existence or nonexistence of things beyond direct experience. 4. The fourth guy's viewpoint seems to allude to quantum superposition, a concept from quantum mechanics where particles can exist in multiple states simultaneously until observed. However, applying this concept to existential questions might be more metaphorical or speculative. There's no definitive "right" answer here; it depends on one's philosophical, spiritual, or scientific perspective. Each viewpoint has its own rationale and implications. Me: Ok but you said there is no definitive right answer and you claim this is a right answer. So the guy that already admitted he will never know the right answer, the agnostic, was the only one following truth? ChatGPT: It's true that the agnostic perspective acknowledges the inherent uncertainty in many existential questions, which can be seen as a form of intellectual honesty. However, labeling it as the "right" answer implies a value judgment that may not apply universally. Each viewpoint has its own validity and implications, and what may be considered "right" or appropriate can vary based on individual beliefs, values, and circumstances. So while the agnostic stance offers a humble recognition of uncertainty, it may not necessarily be deemed superior or "right" in every context. See, chatGPT says it best. I cant spend more time arguing when you only see what you see and deny logic because you dont see it. I made sure to include that it is impartial when it says that the agnostic viewpoint is not necessarily the right one, but it admits that it is intellectually honest. While you fail to grasp my position and keep saying i am not honest about this that and the other. You need to grow up and give space to others. Yes, others, you are a noone. You are not The One. I AM NOT THE ONE. WE are both No One.

Literally the ramblings of a mad man. I try to help you but you are just a raging storm of bullshit. You need to want to help yourself. You are talking now that humanity, evil, corruption and misinformation exist after you told me something needs to be directly in your experience to exist. Please man do me a favor! So my house doesn't exist if its not directly in my view, but suddenly evil, humanity and corruption exist? Give me a fkin break dude. You need to rethink all that by yourself while looking in the mirror.

You got one part of that wrong. NEO is not one. Its in the name: Not Even One. I AM one lap ahead of you, and to you it seems like delusion, from your limited rigid point of view as a SoLiPsISt. You see me running behind you, thinking you are ahead of me. You did not understand anything I said. SMH feels bad man. If you cannot prove something exists, that doesnt mean it doesn't exist. Thats your opinion. Its only in your untrained mind that you jump to that conclusion, because you want to keep the illusion of knowing everything. How convenient for your ego, instead of admitting that you dont know that which is beyond you, you say it doesnt exist and now you feel great! oh dear... Oh yeah, was that my argument, or your stick figure representation of my argument?? In your mind you believe im saying "i know it exists" ?? Q: Is there anything outside of your perception right now. Wrong answer A: definitely not Wrong answer B: definitely yes Correct answer: Mu (cannot be answered, we don't know the answer, we will never know the answer, its a mystery, your ego cant take that) You are disrespectful, because you dont even attempt to understand what im saying.

@Razard86 You are literally jumping from the sane conclusion that "you cant be sure of something if its outside of your conscious minds grasp", to the insane conclusion that "it definitely doesnt exist if its not in your conscious minds grasp." I ASK YOU, How do you know they dont exist without you there, if you literally cant witness whether it exists or not?? You are assuming! Be fking honest for once, im not writing for you to keep singing the same tune. I am telling you things that are true beyond belief. Snap out of it, the entire universe is beaming with Consciousness. Razard and Dodo are both ANTS. Do you have to fill all questions with an answer? Sometimes you have to leave the questionmark there and not try to force your answer. Are you able to choose Mu, instead of Yes or No as the answer? You need to be able to do that when faced with a paradoxical question or something that can't be known for sure ever.

You are always coming in very strong. YOU REALLY THINK YOU KNOW!! Solipsism definitely does need your defence. You are assuming that I have the same experience as you, hence you derive that I have only ever had My experience my entire life. It's because of what YOUR experience is telling you that you say this. A lie cannot hold itself up for long without being revealed ! You say I live in Solipsism, but to you I am only an appearance in your consciousness, remember?? How do you know my experience and why do you equate it to your own? And If you don't have your own solipsistic experience that is different from mine, then why are you even talking? If we both have two different Solipsistic experiences, then Solipsism is out of the window. We can now both testify in court, that we had only ever experienced our own selves and others are always held in our experience. Solipsism over? If I disappear then there is no other TO ME. If I am not in the room while my girlfriend cheats on me, she is still cheating on me. If maths proves the Earth is not flat, then the Earth is not flat even if my experience tells me otherwise. Eyewitness testimony is the lowest form of proof, you cannot trust your experience for Shit. I say brother, if your experience is delusional, then denying it is the best and least delusional thing you can do. If you are deluded into Solipsism, deny it. You already don't believe in Solipsism, no really! , because you are arguing with one of the NPCs in your Solipsistic worldview, and say that that NPC is actually a Playable Character and that you are the NPC, but at the same time you are a Solipsist as well? What the actual! There is only ever 1 Solipsist! Pills too hard to swallow, you will need to use my new word. If you are a Nonipsist, all this will disappear. You no longer will feed that part of your ego that wants to be the most important thing in the Universe. Have some respect for those who came before you were born. Those who sacrificed for you. Just because you never experienced it yourself? You will deny the holocaust? What else are you capable of?

yeah, im talking about my looney bin experience after letting myself be guided into the craziest experience. No I wasn't trying to get laid, I was willingly celibate at the time, I mentioned that. This was part of the experience. This trailer, not the movie itself. The trailer without knowing the actual movie can give you an idea of the girl I was trying to get to. The two girls in the story above were not her. She was kind of like this, but invisible Man, I just checked my forum history and can see like a map of how I got to the experience, all started from meeting a girl in the park, and then this thread. Later on... While I was already in the "deeper state", but still before looney bin.

nah I wasn't there to seduce her... I can't begin to explain the whole story, just accept that the 2 girls were "working" there and were on my side, while there were others "there" half of which were asleep while awake, and doing crazy things, but they were being "managed" by the awake ones... It's like trying to remember and explain to you a deeply confusing experience for me, you're not gonna get it from my sentences, since I don't get it and I was even there! It was something like escape room spiritual game. ..And the bad things the asleep ones were doing was somehow suggested to me that were good in another dimension or something like that... So I immediately had incredible conflict within me whether I should be doing good or bad things.... You get me maybe.. My decisions were insanely hard, because I didn't know what was right. So I did nothing. Maybe I did well! I have no idea.

I did meet some hot girls along the way during my psychosis and felt like they were "for me", but ended up having no clue what is going on, it was some massive spiritual game, and no one ever read me the rules. I was stuck, not being able to make decisions, so I just stood there. The girls were expecting me to do something in some crazy scenario, and then they said something of the sort "Is this the Jesus they sent us" lol , its a funny story for sure. I still have no clue wtf happened. But yeah, one of them girls was so warm, it was the first warmth I felt while in crazyland. No, i didnt get to even touch her, i mean warm as in when I saw her. I knew I could trust her, and I wasnt trusting anyone at that time, even my own mother. I was guided by a spirit I called the "Spirit of True Love" and I was seeking the ideal girl, kind of like a Matrix experience unfolded where it was like testing me, if I am worthy of Her... But I was willingly celibate at that time and things just spontaneously happened - my type of jam. I didn't have to will myself into that situation, it just happened and kept happening. I guess I had to prove my love, and I have no clue really no clue what was happening or who I was after. I was saying "spirit of true love guide me" a lot during my experiences, cause I really had no idea what is going on, i want to underline that again.

last time I let myself be guided I ended up in the looney bin