Dodo

Cool cool but if mind is an illusion, it's illogical to be giving it that much importance to an illusion! Illusion needs to be defended to persist, stop defending it and it will drop -its logical

Well there we go, so what's this talk bout mind then! The fabticated enlightenment is not the one to go for. The only way is to discover yourself as the Tao, otherwise it would have to be an outward movement through mind.

That would imply you suggest life is a property of the mind and not the other way around? Ouch Enlightenment is about transcending mind, not about improving mind or looking enlightened to others.

A=Aristotelian logic B=Buddha Nature Apply Buddha's logic, get rekt by yourself!

Buddhas logics are the logics of 0 and infinity then. Things break around there, it doesn't mean it's illogical! It's logical for things to break when talking about 0 and infinity.

I hate double quoting, but I want to stress that here you're doing a big no-no. You are separating humans from nature. Absolutely everything is nature, even computers. It's just different type of nature. Everything is ultimately made of the same stuff, why should we separate?

Aristotle is also nature Logic is also nature, why are you denying an aspect of yourself? You use logic absolutely all the time. Otherwise you would be in a nut house and dangerous to yourself and others.

I want to go a tiny bit offtopic because this is very interesting. Nonduality is pretty logical. When the subject is isolated from objects, it disappears. Boom ego death

Alan Watts is just another avatar of God, like the separate you and the separate me. So Alan watts as the avatar was not enlightened, but Alan Watts as the Self behind the avatar was enlightened. No avatar can be enlightened, because enlightenment is transcending the avatar. Oh and it's funny when I see people discussing the understanding of people based on what they shared with the public. If a Bentinho Massaro or a Rali are believed to be enlightened avatars, then Alan Watts has to be superenlightened.

Well dawg i cant hold my breath for that long jeeee ??

That's why im not interested in what I see, but the witness itself.

I am not coming out with the thoughts, but that's another fight. I did never say you have to believe you are absent of thought. I'm in the business of stating facts here!

Because the absence of belief cannot be belief The absence of thought cannot be thought Etc etc

I'm more non-dual than you!

It's my hypothesis/belief that will cut through all other beliefs and then it will kill itself too, leaving only truth. Belief it's belief. Truth is truth. Identifying as a human being is seen as a belief through introspection, so what is the truth? Let's find out, if we want to.

I have to disagree, the absolute truth is not about believing you are something and making that belief the absolute truth. The absolute truth is when all beliefs about who you are are dropped and you see the truth behind the concepts

This is how my original power of now looks ? Like a well worn dance shoe

I don't know, I havent done any psychedelics. I had the same objections some time ago. "You've taken a drug, how are you so certain bla bla bla" If it's absolute truth, it is here right now. Why does one need a drug to see it. I think self enquiry is enough. But for those who want to get something tangible to talk about and say how you now have "got it", sure go for psychedelics!!

Absolute truth is anything that is absolutely true. If absolute truth is another illusion, then illusion is the absolute truth. If Illusion is always true, that is the definition for absolute truth... It is absolute truth that the present moment is all there ever is. There are many absolute truths. But about The Truth with capital T, I guess is some experience of subject and object becoming one and stuff!

Note: You've never seen a real dot, real line, real plain, they are all 0, nothing, as seen from the third dimension. How many 0s are there in a 0? 0=0+..+0 (inf times) or 0=0*inf; Dot = 0(height)*0(length)*0(depth) = 0 Infinite amount of dots next to each other create a line (………..) Line = x*0*0 =inf*0*0*0 = inf*0 = 0 Infinite amount of lines next to each other create a plain: Plain = x*y*0 = inf*0*inf*0*0 = inf*0 = 0 Infinite amount of 2d plains next to each other create the 3d reality: 3d Reality = x*y*z = (inf*0*inf*0*0) * inf= inf*0 = 0 This is proof that all we need in order to have a 3d reality is emptiness. Any number = 0*inf; 0*inf is undefined real number. Sounds a lot like what we are experiencing, no? Undefinable real experience. 3d Reality = inf*0*inf*0*inf*0 = 0+0+…+0 = 0 This is mathematical proof that the 3d Reality is emptiness itself. This is how something comes from nothing basically! Emptiness is the building block of the entire universe, emptiness is the only building block and is what the entire reality is made of. Absolute emptiness is absolutely infinite. This is what allows it to create all those experiences! It's all maths, if there is emptiness, there will be 3d reality also, automatically generated by the emptiness, the way I explained above. I hope this tickles you in a nice way. If you see a fault in this reasoning, please elaborate! There's nothing more to say other than OMMMM! Edit: Oh yeah, and you are that emptiness, that infinite zero! Kaaazooooooo!!!

I am gentle, but I have freaked out one of my exs once. My hand was standing by itself upwards in a really creepy position ???

Sometimes when I am still sleeping, but also half awake, I see myself doing some symmetrical movements with my hands / feels like im sleephanddancing. I also start throwing my entire body here and there sometimes. Maybe it's the same thing Do we need exorcism ???

Loree the naive rationalist

Can't believe that I'm starting to believe this guy is not a scammer

The decimal point is spiritual ego