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Please someone tell me why the following thought experiment is not proof of infinite universe: You shoot an object in some direction. Now there are 2 possibilities: either it goes on forever, which prooves infinite universe or it hits something. If it hits something, what is beyond that thing? We shoot again from there and again there are two possibilities: either it goes on forever proving an infinite universe or it hits something. This process can go on forever proving an infinite universe. The thing is how you define the universe. If you only care about objects in the Universe sure it's probably finite or ever growing, but if you include the empty space surrounding the "matter universe" it is infinite. The thought particle we launched can never stop. Infinity. This proof does not require observations nor first hand experience. The only thing it requires is to view all possibilities and its so super duper simple that I dont know how it is not presented as the evidence for infinite universe. There must be something wrong, right? Please someone share, because I really don't get why this is not the proof. Thanks Even in the observable universe there is more than 99.9999% empty space Matter is proven to be more than 99% empty space too but that's another story. I just don't see how someone can blatantly disregard something so obvious like space. Ofcourse space is not an object lol, it's what allows "objects" to be. So if the universe is finite, there is nothing outside it, meaning it is infinite, because nothing is what allows for the expansion in the first place. Exactly because it is eternal and infinite. Rant over. I can't really see fault with this thought proof. Please share where I'm wrong This reminds me of something Eckhart Tolle said before: "Water? What do you mean by that? I don't understand it." This is what a fish would say if it had a human mind.~Eckhart Tolle

Of course space doesn't exist, that's why I'm saying Emptiness/Nothingness/Space is the absence of things. It is eternal. Always there, yet nothing. Yes it doesn't EXIST (stand out) from the point of view of the Mind and the senses. Aristotle and this guy are rationalizing. Just because you can't see it, it doesn't mean it is not there. You know emptiness IS the moment you realize you are that. These guys are Egos obsessed with objects tbh I mean even look at the philosophy they are operating under: "To be IS to be something in particular, so infinity is out" That's where the mistake comes. To be is To be - The something is secondary. In fact only nothing is, everything else is an illusory trip. But hey, they're the scientists, they should know the truth PS: Check out this story I just found:

Well they are primitive, obviously. They don't use language. Language implies some level of intelligence needed. By Universal I don't mean every living being is using it, I mean that it is the same for everyone and it's not based on belief - Aliens would have the same math - with different symbols of course. It is one of the few if not the only true science. At least for this dimension. Also I've heard someone on this forum that in his psychedelic trips communication happens through sacred geometry (or he said something of this sort). Geometry is Math and there are strong hints it's a very foundational part of what This here now is. Hinting again at its universality.

Kids are curious about a lot of things. I guess my advice is, be more like a kid! Bring on your inner child see if he's curious

The thing here is is that for matter to tend to infinity, it requires time. In a snapshot, when we stop time, I can say with certainty that there are finite number of objects in the universe, because nothing is changing - hence no new things are being created. If you take a still snapshot. Then when you resume, of course it will resume it's creation out of nothing process, but in the snapshot, it's finite. While emptiness cannot not be infinite, for it is something without bounds and it's not something that needs to be created - it already is the case always. Emptiness is the absence of stuff, but even when there are "stuff" on top of it, it is still there. This can be also shown translated with the equation n=0+n (any thing is nothing + that thing). So even in the still snapshot, if there could be a snapshot of emptiness (actually in a sense it's always in a snapshot, it is beyond time, it's not changing) it would be an infinite snapshot, emptiness is not expanding, it is already infinite. It can't be expanding, because it is not something that is created. It's God. That's why when I spoke of emptiness once I said that emptiness is smaller than a point and bigger than the universe (of objects).

Sorry I couldn't remove the quote ( problem I've always had while using phone) @hundreth @Erlend K Yeah scrap this proof its shit. I also contemplated a bit and im actually dividing number of objects over space, which makes no sense. Because in a matter universe, matter would be finite / ever increasing but still finite while the space is infinite obvs. But I cant divide 2 diff things obvs. Also your points. However @Erlend K I dont agree with number 1. The proof is impossible to be false. You can always go a bit further. If something is stopping you, "climb" it and continue / go through with some special cutter. There's always more (emptiness)

Yeah that is also true, however I was attempting a top down approach here. The same thing can be proven in many different ways.

Her audience are people with somewhat comfortable lives like ours. Imagine suffering your whole life being tortured in a small cell and Byron Katie here come and tell u. Dont worry, there's more of this, you can never die. You can see how this feature can also be seen as a bug. It all depends on the experience. Thats why I say we fear bad experiences (pain in life), not death. We fear what will happen after. We fear the pain during death. All these things - life. Ps: What we fear about death as Egos is the things that we will lose. The things we are attached to as individuals. Katie's saying is not helping that issue. Life doesn't imply you wont lose your shit, like everything including body-mind.

Then, what Byron Katie has said is also not valid. If death is life, this doesnt mean you wont lose your identity. The thing is Death is nothing. Any experience I classify as life. Hell is life, heaven is life. Death is no experience. It doesn't exist. There is only life. We can say that Awareness is Death. The void. People fear the concept of Death, but they only fear it because they have equated Death (which means no experience) with Life (the negative version) - For example having a life experience of 1000 years staring at a black screen or something like that.

Yeah. I want to preach the truth I see about your signature. "Until we know that death is equal to life, we live in fear." -- Byron Katie From my view here, no-one fears death. What we fear the meaning we put on it. What we fear is pain. What we fear is a possibly horrible next life (if one believes in that) or we fear experiencing the so called Nothingness, which is the biggest load of horseshit fear there can be. For there to be nothingness, there cant be an experiencer of it - if there is, Bam, no longer nothing is experienced, because you're experiencing your being lol. We fear hell. Possibly the most justified fear ever. And I think a wise one. For me fear is definitely not coming from Death, although it might appear this way to many. Fear stems from life and our distaste with painful occurrences. These are my thoughts on the matter. All come from nothing, as anything and everything.

Like a nap. Naps are recommended at noon too, promoting heart health

Thanks, wow... This is profound. This guy is amazing. Wow, I've been on the wrong path. I just got enlightened. Just had to click a button! Yay

The best time to meditate is always now

I can't say how many times I've been on here writing insights from my weed experiences. It's amazing how things feel super obvs, because they just appear poof. Smoking marijuanna plus walking meditation for me produces the most clear insights and they just fall out of thin air. Together with feeling like I'm in heaven.

Does fire kill people or does it help them live better lives? All depends on the way it is used. Too much fire or used wrongly will burn the kitchen. Just enough fire in the right place and time, and you have nice bowl of hot soup.

If there is an actual "random factor", then existence is not deterministic, but probabilistic. Perhaps all possibilities are already written (in absolute infinity obvs), but that doesn't mean this is predetermined. It could go any which way based on that random factor. How are we so sure there is no randomness involved? To clarify: You not choosing what happens, doesn't necessarily mean that what happens is predetermined. I'm talking about True randomness. Perhaps it's Godly territory this.

The five hindrances individually I found a very good article on Wikipedia about the Five Hindrances. I can definitely see myself experiencing some of those if not all to some extent. However the 3rd one is my biggest problem currently. Think it’s good to have those clarified over here. Which ones do you struggle with? Perhaps the described antidote might help you out! Source: Wikipedia as mentioned above.

Who watched this? I almost got a hardon

Nice explanation +1 rep -1 rep I've had "DMT-like" experiences before after doing binaural beats + third eye meditation which prove to me experientially that there might be something there to look into. I've experienced suddenly appearing in some place like another dimension or something that felt like home but I couldn't see anything, it was too dark. This lasting for like a second - 2 times in quick succession. Later that night as I was falling asleep I felt a specific pressure sensation at a point on top of my head, perhaps from the release of something. During that night I dreamt my guardian Angel giving me guidance. It felt super real. She showed me a place that looked like heaven and said - this is hell. It was directly aimed at my gaming addiction (ok, and weed...) , that's what I took from this mostly. Anyway, I do not have any experience with psychedelics and this probably doesn't constitute as a "trip", but as I've posted my experiences on this forum, other more experienced members told me that this was most likely from me sucking on the DMT juice Sorry I said that you shared a belief. I re-read and saw the words "I think" before the thing that triggered ( ) me, which show that you're not pushing your opinion as fact. There's no problem in this. In fact It's very easy to see how what you're saying could be legit and likely is.

Why would you be saying this... The thing is it's just beliefs you're spitting out now. How would you know the intensity you can reach without the drug... And when you say "only meditation" that's a bell ringing. Perhaps you mean formal meditation sittings. The thing is, we supposedly have these chemicals in our brains - perhaps it's just a matter of finding a new meditation practice that would make those release the quickest and not at time of natural physical death.

When I experience extremely shitty feeling sensations like continuous tiredness (depression) / anger etc etc, it feels like grace is lost. In such moments, I do recognise I am awareness aware of these, but still that doesn't stop them being shitty and ME, awareness wanting to get rid of them. Or me Ego. I guess you'll say it's Ego right, cause I'm just bullshitting myself and think I know what awareness is... I'm a bit upset at the existence of those sensations if I am supposed to be God and the creator of my reality. Feels like I'm a dumb ass God (which checks out if we take that I am currently the yet unconscious creator of my reality, until enlightenment, perhaps I am a headless chicken God) .

From Bentinho's course - I've definitely gone a bit too far silencing my mind I'm busted. I feel like a veggie now lying on the bed all day staring at the walls. I do get some pretty sick visuals without drugs tho!

There are some people that are allergic to these things. But not you, you're on this forum after all. Some just close their ears and minds and those are the ones impossible to get through. Anyway, your problem here that I identify is that you're viewing this as a chore and hence you resist it like you would resist washing up. The thing is this is not a chore. This is a process of healing and discovery. It's a process of learning new exciting things about yourself that is not based on belief. My advice is perhaps sit with this for a while. Perhaps if you really don't feel like it, dont do it. Resume once you are back or you get hit by life so hard it will be your final lifeline. Those are the best and harshest teachers, the days when that nightmare scenario hits.. If you can have that inner eye to look for who the knower is... That's all you need. Just resume your everyday life. Best spiritual practice is a merged one anyway! Separation is not my nation.

You already have 5meo in your brain somewhere I heard

Here's an unrelated video about consciousness and brain that I wanted to open new thread for, but then remembered this thread that has name that is good for this Wow, this vid is very interesting! (Scientist gets stroke which result in insights into our true nature - from 9 years ago)