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It can be called correct and I showed you how it can also be called incorrect, because saying everything is relative is an absolute statement. This is far beside the point I was raising however. I was pointing out clear as daylight that someone who claims to not have problem with accepting other perspectives, does not accept the perspective which is trashing without error their perceived unshakable truth. In this case it's @Loreena but im sure Ive done this as well. These are just examples of why the person needs to go.

Beliefs are lies and should be removed. Ofcourse I will be sceptical of them. I'm on the search for truths, not beliefs. "I know nothing" "I know something" "I know everything" All those are beliefs if there is no I in the first place. But these statements sneakily imply that there is an I, as if it is true. So while we are thinking about what we know or not know, we rarely look at the one who is supposed to know or not know. I highly hope it's not the case here on this forum ofcourse, that's what self enquiry is for. @Principium Nexus

I was not claiming earlier in this post to be accepting of all perspectives just to prove I was lying when put to the test. Either that or you were just giving advice/wisdom which you do not follow. This incident is only one example which shows how the person is inconsistent.

Can you not see the problem with what you're saying? You are claiming that you know for a fact that there are only relative truths. Is that not your claim that you know an ultimate truth that there are only relative truths? What happens when another disagrees? You defend your truth as if it is not relative itself... You must see this. If you preach this you're no less dogmatic than the dogmatic people you are pointing out. Just on another level.

As long as there is a person, there will be something to defend. That's why the person needs to go... This is the reason I am here. There will always be differences of opinion, that's why I look for undeniable truth and no longer looking for conceptual truth. What you perceive as true and what I perceive as true conceptually are different because of our different conceptual points of view. Feel free to disagree with what I'm saying, it is my point of view.

Pointing that out is resistance to the perspective of those that don't want to allow other perspectives - it's still a valid perspective to hold on to your own perspective and statements such as these are paradoxical and frankly hypocritical. It's like saying there is no ultimate truth you can have. (In other words: here's the truth: there is no truth). Paradoxical and hypocritical. Best is to keep silent I have found about truth and points of view. Obviously you telling me your point of view will not make me see your point of view, but an interpretation of it that I create, so even now I am talking with and against my interpretations. I better use my time for much needed healing rather than scoundrelling the forums tho

Leo speaks poetry. You don't enjoy two hour long poetry sessions? It's your problem! You are taking the perception that "others are taking life way too seriously" way too seriously.

Currently I am in the trenches of life and I am forced to give effort in things I am not good at in order to learn and evolve. Who is suffering that? You would, and I would say no-one, but the reality of the situation is that I am here getting punched left and right, required to make decisions and choices between accepting and escaping my reality if I have to be honest. I'm talking about the human being that is typing those words, not awareness. Turns out I am not really awareness! It has been a sham. I am actually a human being that has to deal with issues, but I'm so far the rabbit hole that I can't, so the only thing on the horizon is death. There is no way out. I better be awareness, because suicide looks like a better option day by day. It's a struggle, this life requires endless struggle and effort, unless you have the faculties needed to survive ( good DNA). There's nothing else. A damned lottery. Who is required to give an effort? The answer of that question leads nowhere. I accept my inability to give effort, furthermore my inability to find the one that is supposed to give effort. However at the same time as I accept effort can't be made at this time, at the same time I can see that this is just an attempt to escape from responsibility and effort. Why is escaping from a prison that tortures you worse than accepting a prison that tortures you in your opinion? This post may look like a bunch of ramblings, but that's because of my current state of consciousness, which is probably what Leo describes as severe Ego backlash.

This is my favourite and I've watched it way more than 10 times. Yeah! It's good.

I am having a continuous spiritual experience after practising Mooji's clear seeing technique. Everything that is, will always be surrounded and grounded in Nothingness. It's a simple fact. You can always zoom out. Nobody has seen the nothingness, because it is outside of existence, it contains existence. Existence is a bubble in Nothingness. I am grounded in Nothingness and shine within nothingness as nothingness. Everything that is will always be ungrounded. It's not form that is holding this together. It's absolute nothingness and it's who I am, that's why I speak with such conviction! Actually there is a self, it's just no self. But truth is that the self is! Always, no matter what!

Well if everything is nothing, then something is nothing too. I don't know if everything is nothing, I know nothing, John Snow.

Nothing, because there is no death. I am here, now, always.

Let me rephrase the question : Is my nothingness the same as your nothingness? Sounds silly!

All due respect, dear Gurdjieff, but dead forever means nothing, since who is there to experience "dead forever". Why should one fear being "dead forever" - I have never gotten that. It's obviously not going to be a restful sleep or anything of that kind, because there is simply no you there to experience that. However, probability and maths are on the side of Dodoster here. Why? Because it happened once that Dodoster would exist (now). This means that the chance of Dodoster's existence is bigger than 0%. Dodoster has infinite amount of time to be "dead", however, if the chance of Dodoster's existence is proven to be more than 0% because of the current happenings, this means that Dodoster will be born again and again in infinity. So everyone will have infinite amount of tries to get enlightened anyway. But yeah, better get it on this iteration, you're already far enough in. If creating soul means finding the true nature... "And I would like to tell you that Gurdjieff was just using a device. It is not true. Everybody is born with a soul. But what to do with people who have been using truths as consolations? A great master sometimes has to lie – and only a great master has the right to lie – just to pull you out of your sleep." I like this addition by Osho. But still I don't think it's a good tactic to bring fear into the equation by Gurdjieff.

I'm good now, but now I am not forced to go into mind by my environment. When I am at work, that's when the problems start, because I am forced to think past and future and I am supposed to think, like a lot. I almost hate referring to past and future nowadays, because I know that repetition reinforces the wrong beliefs. So it's better not to speak about things that are not real, because we are building our prison ourselves. Maybe should stop saying I as well. Refer to myself in third person. Because what's the point of saying "I" if it's a lie? If practical purposes require the use of false beliefs and concepts, then isn't it a false existence? False practicality to be removed. Example: I am writing this post. This is a lie, is it not? At the same time it is true based on our practical beliefs. It's more correct to say some clusterfuck is happening and I am aware of all that I am aware of. Lol.

Thanks! But Mooji point me to the spiritual door in the present. I mean that's the only thing worth talking about when talking about spirituality anyway right? The thing is, my life situation is crap, probably exactly for the reason to let me accept even more. Like bringing in level 2 of the game or something. As Matt Kahn likes to say, I'm acing it, even when I seem to be failing. I just found this, the questioner here seems to come in with exactly my problem Such a coincidence!

Posting this as an answer to myself. I'm definitely lacking wisdom, I've watched so many of these, but still drop through the cracks. It's just tough when action is required, but... Maybe it's not required though. I am sitting here, accepting the unacceptable (Ekhart Tolle TM). I love how in this video Mooji says that we are both the placeless place (awareness) and the dynamic expression (human being). This resonates much better for my truth seeking Ego.

@Joseph Maynor Letting go, that's exactly what I'm doing. I feel like I've lost my mind and I cannot think anymore. I thought it's progress, but it's making me unable to function. Ok there is no me to do anything, let the events pass, but this means that next week I decide to eat rat poison and I just let it be... Since I am not the body anyway... What is the difference between eating rat poison and not eating rat poison - why would one be egoic action and the other not.

At least playing poker is effortless. Also I've done it so much it might be my only saving grace in this consumerist society. I know for a fact that all I need to be happy is enough money. The only thing that is causing me suffering is not death, it's being forced to work to live. People who say money doesn't buy happiness are weird to me. Whenever I had money, I've been happy. Whenever I see that money will end, I'm unhappy. I guess I'm the devil. I just find it incomprehensible that this would be a dream in infinite potential and we get this struggle? For what reason? Why am I not blissing out every second? The only thing I find blissful about this existence is going to bed - and this is representation of escaping this existence. Oh yeah, like I daydream all the time that a bomb would just drop now. Where are the damn terrorists? They are giving me terrors by not attacking me.

@Loreena I just want to be, I don't want to do! It seems like my Ego wants to be as Awareness, since awareness only is and never does. But if Ego acts as Awareness, it's considered a lazy Ego. Oh well.. I mean how am I so fucking retarded if I don't know who I am... I mean for reals... How can this be happening... Why is awareness retarded? I guess you can say that I'm a perfectionist. If something is the truth, if I am supposedly Awareness, this HAS to be my experience. how am I awareness, if I am these other things too? At the very least I am not only Awareness. That I'd buy. If the truth is not true always, then better drop it

I agree with what you're saying. Perhaps the path for me is to drop all that makes me unhappy and see what happens. No need to continue climbing trees while being a fish. It's just super hard for me to make decisions. I usually just let it be the way it wants to be. I would be perfectly happy and at peace if only I were free. Unfortunately the system is made for someones and not for nobodies. Maybe it's time for me to move in India and live on the streets.

Thanks Nahm, you are awesomer tho! God is emptiness

Yes, see? It's the same, but on another level. Since basically everything is created by the mind, all this is imaginary, the stuff that dreams are made of. God is dreaming this. Existence is dreaming and begins to awaken! The thing that is writing is just as real as empty space. There the imaginary is void - Ego becomes no Ego. Where there is just eternal peace and beauty. Deepening into emptiness.

The Ego definitely is an Illusion however, so it is not real. Therefore it is imagination, fairytale land. It means having two selves. It means being Schizophrenic (yeah, the symptoms are 100% the same). It has to be the first thing anyone should do as foundation. The whole reality is a hallucination, we're living in our own imagination, God's imagination. To truly grasp this we need to kill the illusion of having a separate self. We need to simply deepen into oneness. At once!