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Yeah, but I've had this realization before only to be stomped by the concept of "spiritual bypassing". So turns out there is a correct and wrong way to do this spirituality thing. Therefore the belief that there is a spiritually correct things and spiritually wrong things to do. Like I have the strong belief that murdering, raping or hurting others in a very painful and unnecessary way is spiritually wrong. I believe that lying is spiritually wrong (I do it sometimes for sure) etc etc (basically anything that I wouldn't want to experience myself I consider as evil/sinful). Of course those are labels, but I feel like those labels are helping us not to inflict more suffering out in the world, which I consider spiritually correct. I don't know, it feels like there are good and evil acts and the good ones are spiritual, while the evil ones are considered spiritual bypassing if someone is doing them in the name of non-duality. Weird huh?

I have similar social anxiety relief when doing weed. I've made so much new acquaintances because of this - because I am able to stand next to someone new and start a conversation and feel good about it - usually on weed I clearly feel what I like to think is the Enlightened state. Weed has also been the fuel for much suffering in my life also. I can see how it is the reason for some of the cycles that I am experiencing and calling hell right now...

Why not heaven guys... Ffs! I cannot in a million years imagine how I am an almighty being that can do anything, and I've chosen to be the main character in a life filled with pain and unjustness. I tell you if I ever had any conscious control over what I am, in other words if Ego was God, I would always make good experiences for all my incarnations. Ego would be a better God than the supposed God we are fantasising about here. Because I would know I am all of those, so why the hell have any bad experience if you are God, what is the point, who needs this drag. What for? To become better? What for? To defeat other Gods? No, there's only one right? Why not enjoy yourself in your pristine condition? It all seems bullshit from here. I am not God. If God exist, there are two: plus infinity - God of good, minus infinity - God of bad, and we are dancing in between I guess. Seems like a better map of Reality. Reality is what is. Hell and heaven both are made out of awareness, but I sure as hell don't want to be in hell. I dont want to be aware of hell. I want to only ever be aware of heaven. This is not possible? Then heaven doesn't exist. It seems like God is unconscious.

So is it not evil when someone you thought of as your friend steals from you like a backstabber and weaves webs of lies? I think people will understand only if it happens in their timeline what evil is. It is real and here. In fact this planet is based on survival of the fittest. The fittest are the cheats, the liars and those who don't give one fuck for the other. The good guy that doesnt even wanna hurt a fly is left on the side to rot because he's not savvy enough for this shitty place.

Life has decided to KO me these days. I find myself more and more intrigued by this... The thoughts in my head are looping the cathartic events that happened to *me* recently, looping Mooji, Eckhart, Rupert wisdoms that help me investigate what is happening/drop/let go of past&future and mainly, looping reminders of my *belief supported by own investigation* that there is no free will - therefore it's illogical to beat myself up for my own mistakes (?) and I should just accept what is happening fully (but then I go into why am I not accepting of suffering, so I give myself room to burst with anger, tears, etc... The thing is, sure I do the inner investigation, but this doesn't stop this story thought is weaving from being so real and true. It is so real that I am the one in the middle of what is happening, like me, some creature that is in so much pain right now because shit is falling left and right. I do feel good when I drop the thoughts and the loop ends, but my immediate circumstances remind me very quickly and the pain continues. It's not like when you forget you are without legs for example (just an example) that you magically grow legs or are ok with not being able to walk. Today, while I was having suicidal thoughts, the following peculiar thoughts while I was lying on the grass in the park: "The not me wants to commit suicide", "The not me is in pain and wants to die because he's not made for this world", "Why is the not me even alive as this if I am not supposed to be this??" Thankfully I have one good friend, a mother and a sister, without whom nothing would really be stopping me, death looks very promising tbh, but I can't inflict such pain on those who are close So how does Ego drop Ego really? It's impossible right? How does a ball drop itself... Am I the Ego or am I awareness? If I am awareness big whoop right? Everyone is addressing me as the Body, I feel the body's every pain, I feel the story's pain. I feel so much different than everyone else. I get angry at people who say they want to be different than the rest, because for me I would be so happy to just blend in and not stand out as the "weird guy" with a name nobody outside my own country can pronounce or get from the first try... I don't know really where im going with this post, mostly wanted to get it out, not that anyone will read this, I know I am a joke anyway in most people's eyes, just a mental masturbator. I need the 30-day no mental fap challenge..

For me reality flows the more detachment there is. Attachments are resistance.

Post here your insights for group contemplation Here's a few of my recent ones: The world isn't only if you think about it. Truth is isness. You are isness, even if your mind doesn't know isness. You are not your mind, your mind is separate to you. It is your tool. The leash is concentration and determination. Then let go, of everything. Even your identity. Be nothing. You're already doing it in your sleep, unconsciously. Become conscious of this now. Let nothing take the leash.

Almost sounds like what Voldemort did Ego is who we think we are, memory. Past doesn't exist, therefore we can't be what we think we are, because that already becomes past. Any happening is not now, any event is already memory.

Not seeing nothingness is exactly what seeing nothingness is. Because it's nothing ?

Well for example that there would be no room for judging the happening. Even if judging appears, no judging on top of that should appear that is judging the judging. If that makes sense Also not to take things personally. It's like taking an earthquake personally. It may be shitty to experience the earthquake, but it's not anything personal, it's just a happening. My list consists of these kinds of things.

This is a simple mathematical proof. Suppose that The Universe is infinite. If there is a thing in the Universe, for example a body entity that is real, that means it assumes a value - 1. I am 1 body, a thing! There are 7billion other bodies, things! (this is valid for all matter strictures) Lets look at the whole picture now. In an infinite universe, how much does 1 equal to compared to the whole? 1/infinity = 0 (nothing) 7 billion / infinity = 0 (nothing) Therefore the only possibility is that either the universe is finite, which common sense can debunk easily or there are not things. I know maths doesn't fly with many ego's, but I see much value in this universal language. Note: This assumes a universe "out there", in which you live. This is the paradigm of matter. This proof is specifically looking at the case of the matter paradigm with resulting proof that it is bullshit.

All that you have ever seen is an image in your mind. Look at an object. Now cross your eyes. There was one object, how are you seeing two? It must be that you are seeing two images, both equally valid. Which eye is more valid? Which hemisphere is valid? They are both eqyally valid. But there is 1 object, so it must be that our vision is entirely illusory. Not real. You were looking at something you were convinced is real, like the moon ? . Then you see the only thing you ever have of it is an illusory image appearing in you.

The space that is created is no the space I am talking about. This space you are talking about is an object in the space which I'm talking about. There is no space... Space doesn't exist... It's not created. Stuff in it are apparently created, but space is not. It's the absence of things, how can you kill it? The absence of it is itself... How can emptiness dissipate, it's strange. It is already the case that it is dissipated.

@Erlend K You cannot observe nothingness. But you can be aware of it. Imagine the following O is the universe expanding. The only thing you need to do is zoom out faster, remember this is a thought experiment, you dont need to travel faster than light- this is only a way to become aware of the eternal nature of nothingness or emptiness. Obviously it cannot be done in reality apart from in a thought experiment, because if something is outside the universe taking this snapshot will automatically be part of the Universe and the universe will expand to it. Will circle him and then again there is the unobserved nothingness beyond. The entire page is the emptiness around it. So we suppose the universe is finite and ever increasing, then we can represent it with the O no problem. You are somewhere in the limited O we currently call our finite ever increasing universe of stuff(spacetime contiuum included, which is silly cause space and time don't exist apart from thought but whatever, we're supposing here that there is a world outside us in the first place lol). O So in this you can actually see that there is infinite nothingness beyond. It's too simple. If there wasn't infinite nothingness, there would be something and then that would also be part of the O and not the rest of the picture. But there are no bounds for the O. If there is a bound, it would be part of the O and not the nothingness outside. Which is eternal. You can be aware of it's eternal nature. You cannot verify it's existence because it's very quality is that it doesn't exist. It doesn't have qualities. But it is. Nothing can be without the space in which it appears. Reminds me of self enquiry.

There is nothing outside! It's not an absurd question, it's only absurd if the answer is something, because that then will be included in the definition of our universe and will no longer be outside it. Is the room the walls or is it also the empty space within it? And no, you cannot see empty space or observe it. You can only notice it in relation to objects, but that doesnt stop you from being aware of it's eternal being. It's the alpha and the omega. No less than God. So, if you are aware that there is nothing outside, you are aware that there is infinite space and then I include that space in the definition of the Universe. So I know it to be infinite, because I include nothingness as well as the illusory forms as part of the Universe. In fact nothingness is more real than any appearance, but thats another story.. So it's weird not to include the only thing real in the definition of Universe.

Hi Voyager. Nice read, I also found the how to learn video VERY transformational. In fact just second before I read this I was writing down how will my behavior change from knowing there is no doer / no free will (I recommend btw). I want to point out that breath is not the only constant. The bigger constant in your experience, which will be with you even after death is the Isness / Being. In your dreams you do not breathe yet you still are, so you can even do this meditation in your dreams - in any situation. That's why Rupert Spira suggests the question "Am I aware" is the pathless path. It's always the case, now to go deeper into recognition of that. It's boundless. I think we confuse attention with awareness. As Mooji says, attention is our most intimate tool, so intimate that where it goes, it feels like we go. But ISness, Being, Aliveness is always here now and is who we are. It's unmoving, unchanging, shapeless, formless ISness. It's the knowing of isness. Not even that, it just is isness and that isness is known. Hold attention in that knowing no matter what arises.

Mathematics based on beliefs? Human invention? I don't see that. Mathematics is discovered, not invented. If aliens discover mathematics, they would have it, if they don't, they wont. I'm not saying primitive in negative sense, but this is just the reality of the story of evolution. Humans are more intelligent than other species on Earth - fact (based on our definitions - without definitions we would not be able to communicate this so let's respect them a bit). If intelligence is a bad quality, then we are at the bottom of the hierarchy - I dont kniw whether it's good or bad or both or neither. I don't care to be at the top or bottom. Put me anywhere. On this forum I've posted that this is the planet of the bees one time anyway, so I don't consider humans at the top anyway. But still a human would beat a bee in a spelling bee. A bee would beat a human at pollinating flowers. If crows or any other animals grow up to be more aware of their own existence, mathematics will soon be discovered. It's a simple counting that starts it all off. It's based on observations. I guarantee, 1+1 will always be 2. Place one rock next to the other. How many rocks do you have? What did you invent for this to be the case? It would be so even if you didn't understand the symbols. Maths is definitely a discovery. The symbols are invented, what they point to are discoveries. Nonduality symbols too are invented, what they point to is discovery.

Nothingness, emptiness, space. Never born, will never die, dimensionless yet all form appear in it. How is it possible? (Perhaps form is also 100% empty space and this separation is just a projection of mind) Nothingness, emptiness, space is at no distance from you.

Please someone tell me why the following thought experiment is not proof of infinite universe: You shoot an object in some direction. Now there are 2 possibilities: either it goes on forever, which prooves infinite universe or it hits something. If it hits something, what is beyond that thing? We shoot again from there and again there are two possibilities: either it goes on forever proving an infinite universe or it hits something. This process can go on forever proving an infinite universe. The thing is how you define the universe. If you only care about objects in the Universe sure it's probably finite or ever growing, but if you include the empty space surrounding the "matter universe" it is infinite. The thought particle we launched can never stop. Infinity. This proof does not require observations nor first hand experience. The only thing it requires is to view all possibilities and its so super duper simple that I dont know how it is not presented as the evidence for infinite universe. There must be something wrong, right? Please someone share, because I really don't get why this is not the proof. Thanks Even in the observable universe there is more than 99.9999% empty space Matter is proven to be more than 99% empty space too but that's another story. I just don't see how someone can blatantly disregard something so obvious like space. Ofcourse space is not an object lol, it's what allows "objects" to be. So if the universe is finite, there is nothing outside it, meaning it is infinite, because nothing is what allows for the expansion in the first place. Exactly because it is eternal and infinite. Rant over. I can't really see fault with this thought proof. Please share where I'm wrong This reminds me of something Eckhart Tolle said before: "Water? What do you mean by that? I don't understand it." This is what a fish would say if it had a human mind.~Eckhart Tolle

Of course space doesn't exist, that's why I'm saying Emptiness/Nothingness/Space is the absence of things. It is eternal. Always there, yet nothing. Yes it doesn't EXIST (stand out) from the point of view of the Mind and the senses. Aristotle and this guy are rationalizing. Just because you can't see it, it doesn't mean it is not there. You know emptiness IS the moment you realize you are that. These guys are Egos obsessed with objects tbh I mean even look at the philosophy they are operating under: "To be IS to be something in particular, so infinity is out" That's where the mistake comes. To be is To be - The something is secondary. In fact only nothing is, everything else is an illusory trip. But hey, they're the scientists, they should know the truth PS: Check out this story I just found:

Well they are primitive, obviously. They don't use language. Language implies some level of intelligence needed. By Universal I don't mean every living being is using it, I mean that it is the same for everyone and it's not based on belief - Aliens would have the same math - with different symbols of course. It is one of the few if not the only true science. At least for this dimension. Also I've heard someone on this forum that in his psychedelic trips communication happens through sacred geometry (or he said something of this sort). Geometry is Math and there are strong hints it's a very foundational part of what This here now is. Hinting again at its universality.

Kids are curious about a lot of things. I guess my advice is, be more like a kid! Bring on your inner child see if he's curious

The thing here is is that for matter to tend to infinity, it requires time. In a snapshot, when we stop time, I can say with certainty that there are finite number of objects in the universe, because nothing is changing - hence no new things are being created. If you take a still snapshot. Then when you resume, of course it will resume it's creation out of nothing process, but in the snapshot, it's finite. While emptiness cannot not be infinite, for it is something without bounds and it's not something that needs to be created - it already is the case always. Emptiness is the absence of stuff, but even when there are "stuff" on top of it, it is still there. This can be also shown translated with the equation n=0+n (any thing is nothing + that thing). So even in the still snapshot, if there could be a snapshot of emptiness (actually in a sense it's always in a snapshot, it is beyond time, it's not changing) it would be an infinite snapshot, emptiness is not expanding, it is already infinite. It can't be expanding, because it is not something that is created. It's God. That's why when I spoke of emptiness once I said that emptiness is smaller than a point and bigger than the universe (of objects).

Sorry I couldn't remove the quote ( problem I've always had while using phone) @hundreth @Erlend K Yeah scrap this proof its shit. I also contemplated a bit and im actually dividing number of objects over space, which makes no sense. Because in a matter universe, matter would be finite / ever increasing but still finite while the space is infinite obvs. But I cant divide 2 diff things obvs. Also your points. However @Erlend K I dont agree with number 1. The proof is impossible to be false. You can always go a bit further. If something is stopping you, "climb" it and continue / go through with some special cutter. There's always more (emptiness)