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Enlightenment is also about radical acceptance of what is, because it cannot be otherwise!

It's never about the words, it's about the spaces between the words <3

There is Enlightenment. It's always here now. That's why they say you have to stop chasing. Enlightenment means to be happy wherever you are simply by recognising your being. Not wanting to go here and there to fill the void, or acquire something, or be someone. Not feeling a constant background of unease. When one remains in the field of Enlightenment, which is now, only God's will remains. There is no option but to bow. ? And let God heal/destroy as is God's wish. That's Enlightenment for me.

@egoless Why would enlightenment mean you stop being human? That's a belief. You can realize you're the sky without destroying the clouds ☁

This gives me idea! Could go for learning something more esoteric, like Reiki or something.

You can't have it, you are it

Yes, very enlightening. Instead what we should be interested in is that which remains the same in absolutely all states.

Look up Ramana Maharshi, Rupert Spira, Mooji and other sources for slightly different self-enquiry practices. It's basically asking the question: "Who am I/ What am I", but not conceptually only. That which you're aware of - thoughts, feelings, sights, sounds, sensations - absolutely everything that appears in your present moment awareness cannot be you, because it is being perceived by you. The world is an object in experience, who is the subject? Let's say the body The body is an object in experience, who is the subject? Let's say the mind The mind(including the I thought) is an object in experience, who is the subject?

No direction / All directions. In the direction of defocusing

There's ignorance of who's looking and then there's ignorance of the ignorance of who's looking. When we know there's ignorance of who's the self, we can investigate further, but if there's ignorance about the ignorance, we are closed ? for the truth.

Ego holds a position as truth in it's experience, when it cannot see it is a belief. When a belief is not seen as actually a state of not knowing truth, then there is no option but to defend the perceived truth. Because to the Ego it is seen as true based on all it knows. The Ego may be correct in the context it is looking from, but because there is ignorance about who is looking, every truth is tainted/spoiled.

Combine mindfulness with Self-enquiry. Otherwise perceptions will be tainted by the colour of identification. The impersonal mind will get you to the Truth. Also this should be helpful.

Interesting. There seems to be something here that is blocking your realisation. There seems to be a belief that awareness (the attributeless impersonal no-self) cannot know itself by being itself in it's purest. That it can only do it through appearing as sense perceptions (stuff) first. This is because you're indeed looking in the wrong direction. This is still content in the formless. That field of impersonal aware blankness is infinitely greater than the bodymind - the believed doer of the inquiry, so it can't be understood by mind, which you Still seem to be trying to do. Surrender, acceptance, practice. See everything as it is in your next meditation. Don't refer to past - this means that all you should be left with is the image of blackness, the sounds present, the feelings present and the sense of I am. Now defocus froma any of these objects and just Be the space for them. Allow the awakening. Feel yourself as That vastness. If the mind is looking it will look like nothingness, so only the objects will be seen. Mind needs to land on objects to know itself, unlike awareness.

You're infinitely beyond the circle surrounding the image you are seeing right now.

Beyond clear investigation of the present moment and what is actually here now. Extremely helpful!

Guraism commandment #1: All commandments are to be used as ships to cross the ocean and discarded once the island is reached.

There is no point in this. What I tried to put forward with my comment was that what is needed is practice and to see for one's self. I want to see and then I will know if Leo's definition is true or not - no need to mentally masturbate over it, but it's good to be prepared for 'the worst' anyway. To be prepared for 'death'.

I don't want to argue, but perhaps you can see that this is only a belief that you hold. Actually not knowing what happens can also be seen as one of the scariest things about death. I don't get your reasoning here. Perhaps ego death is much different than one might intuit. I don't know. Why should we speculate, whatever will happen will happen. I don't care much for the concepts, it's better to tune towards the space in which they appear and see what this show is about.

Or to weed out those who are not serious enough? Idk Perhaps also the goal is to contemplate your death.

I had this discussion with Leo some time ago, that perhaps a better wording can be used, but he said that for him it is the best description possible and that he prefers it also because it conveys the magnitude of what this is all about.

"Perfection is never about appearances, it is always about the essence" Ramaji

Batman goes existential. How do you even talk to this guy At least he shows us the sound of one hand clapping

Merry Christmas everyone

Well, it's not lie or truth, more like "this here is a hypothesis, go test it and see if it's true for you, because it's true for me"