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There are similarities, but you forget few factors. In dream there's no suffering - you don't feel tiredness for example. Also, the consequences will not be long-term - in a dream you won't have to rot in prison for example. You'll just fly away for example or start a new dream. Also I've never felt hungry in a dream - haven't needed to eat to survive - or do anything to survive. Yeah I'm with you that the awareness in the dream is the same as the awareness in waking. Well of course it is, it's you that is experiencing both, but the content is radically different - with few similar themes. In my last dream, I was walking along with one of my ex-girlfriends - from really long time ago and some guy stole one of her bags. I rushed after him and jumped in the car he jumped in and started punching him and the driver too. As they were unconscious I stopped the car by pulling the foot of the driver from the gas and then the car crashed into another car. Don't know if I survived. The point of this story is, I wouldn't do such actions in waking life. I wasn't aware that I was dreaming in my dream, but I simply was this NO-thing without fear AT ALL. I was just there, doing whatever I needed to do, with no suffering involved - no sensations of pain or fear even. Waking life includes pain and that pain generates an associated (and much needed in certain cases) fear of pain. (not to mention that in reality those 2 guys would've probably whooped my ass ) They were kind of non-responsive in the dream, just taking the beating.

But you proved that the dreams are not like this reality/waking dream. IF you shoot people here they will die... There will be consequences. In a dream - no. One of the reasons I prefer dreams! But have to deal with this reality as well. fuckin eyyy Nice dream tho! Sounds a lot similar to my dream oneness experience that dream Leo induced for dream me. Or at least the same type of intensity.

Leo also takes the position that there is no free will. No free will either means that the future is predetermined or it means that the future is probabilistic (which means that luck/random factor is also included) For example it may be pre-determined that you will go play roulette or not, but not predetermined whether you will win or lose (because it uses RNG - although it's never a true randomness. But perhaps the universe has a true randomness factor as well.)

Maybe smurfs exist. Hey what happened to Leo's investigation of trolls under bridges anyway?

Oh my, Annetta, I had a very realistic dream once *or was it* where I had teleported to another dimension and saw and said hi to two entities and they were freaked out that I can see them. How it played out is that the two guys would stand there as I teleported (I guess they teleported me) and the more rookie entity pointed at me saying "I see him" to which I responded with pointing back and tell him " I see you too" ? They freaked and sent me back. But maybe is just a dream, who knows tho these days! But your story sounds creepy as..

I don't understand what you mean. Please rephrase. From what I understood I think you're over analyzing belief. Are you saying that even if it works for me, without my prior blind belief in it (before trying and checking in my own experience) , it's still a belief? That's cool, but not my definition of belief. I think you're too radical!

I think the matter is simple: Try it if you want to see if it works. If it works - it works. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Yes, no need to believe. Just relax and let it happen, or don't. Why believe or not believe, just flow.

When you slay a dragon, it is no longer suffering. Celebrate!

Yeah, we can see how the fundamentalists may start 'thinking' that cube should become water i.e. everything should blow up into emptiness But the resistance vs fluidity explanation shows that this is more of an attitudinal change, a change within. The ice block is the resistance within the fluidity already present in us.

No, this is an explanation of a Royal Ape. Ps: Pointing fingers is an egoic action. See the root of that. We all have to look at our own soup when Ego is concerned. All you see of me is this profile. I am not identified with this profile, it is a tool. It is not my Ego.

Your thoughts are based on your web of beliefs. The web of beliefs swims in an ocean of Awareness. There is a sure and easy way to be aware of awareness alone. Beware, this is like exercising, you have to do this consistently to get some proper results in your actual web of beliefs. Whenever you can/want ask yourself the experiential question "Am I Aware?" (Rupert Spira™) and be interested in that. To be aware of objects, awareness needs to rise in the form of attention and place itself on objects. In order to know itself, it needs to relax attention away from the objects of experience and remain as it naturally is. So it's actually a non-practice, it requires no effort. You can visualize the process as awareness just shining in all directions without a limit (object) in its way to shine on, and so it simply is, like a star if you will, feeling it's own being. The light is used to shine on objects, but the core knows itself by itself without the need to shine itself with attention (well it can't, it's not an object) oops forgot to label the rays as 'Attention'

After watching the vid of Leo's couch wisdom, i want to share that that's exactly why I'm looking for truth. In order to have the objective perspective, or the absolute perspective. Here's what is an absolute perspective - a perspective that is always true: 1) It's always the present moment is true, it's not a perspective. Meaning Even if you take the opposite perspective, it's still true for you that you're in the present moment. 2) You are aware. This is again not dependent on perspective. You are aware whether or not your perspective is that you are aware. 3) You don't know what you don't know - Again, even if your perspective is that you do, you still don't know what you don't know - It's an objective fact independent of subjectivity/perspective. So perhaps we can go ahead and hold these "things" as concrete, as anchors one can use to ground to reality. They are objective reality. Im not saying the list is exhausted, it's just the nuggets that I've found. It's not all perspective... That's my perspective, but based on the three things that are undeniably Not a perspective. PS: By the way I've also had this idea and said it to my buddhist friend once, when I was an atheist that we should together try to have different relligions each week and see how different it feels :D

Absolutely beautiful

You can delete the post but the Truth of this perspective will remain. I offer you the seekers one little experiment. Try to stop drinking water. Observe how long can you last without getting back to it if you last at least the month than the experiment failed. But if you can’t then the addiction is real. This addiction is the most dangerous one. One which is addicted to the quenched thirst. Addiction of the “thirst quench seeker”. Addicted to be quenched rather than thirsty. being thirsty is so scary. Scary to die, scary to be hurt. Addicted to run away from all the dryness. It is no different than other addictions. It just seems the liquid solution. Does this perspective has a right to exist? Why not?! -- Any perspective has the right to exist. There are still some addictions that are better than others. And some perspectives that are more closeminded than others <- This one could also be considered closeminded, depends on your perspective ? thats why i dont care much for perspectives and go for what is objective instead.

Hi and thanks for the questions. I'll give a go at answering, although your direct experience can answer these better than I can. 1) It is Not conceptual - why? Because it is here always in direct experience. All concepts, if they appear, appear in it - it is the space that allows for concepts(or anything) in the first place. What I am talking about when I speak of the present moment is not what happens in the present moment, but the space in which it happens. The space of now is irreducible in nature, unchanging and unmoving. It is a dimensionless point (like any point is, but that's another topic). It's not a confined space, it is rather eternal and inescapable. The concept of the present moment and anything else are always, without exception experienced in the space of the present moment - It's rather evident, but at the same time it's empty nature allows for confusion if you start thinking about it. The present moment is not an object you can point to and say " Aha! There it is". 2) Aware means to know. Aware of experience - to know experience. 3) While you could have these other perspectives on the matter (probably for feel-good purposes) it's still an objective fact that you don't know what you don't know. Taking those other perspectives is simply closing an eye / being ignorant of the fact that noone can know what they don't know. If you really know everything, this will be one of the things you would definitely know. Because it is impossible to know what you dont know, because you cant even know what that is. Why? Simply because its outside of your knowing. Perhaps if you are God that one breaks.

There are no distractions, for all distractions appear in That also. For That is what my inquiry targets, not the content. The content can be this or the opposite of this, but I find it helpful for the content to have arrows pointing me in the right direction. Like a well charted map. An absolute perspective or a point of view about experience is a perspective/point of view which cannot be proven untrue in experience even if you tried. It is also true for everyone, whether they know it or not! Try to go outside the now. Try not to be aware. It's that simple! You can lose your form identity, you can lose eeeeeverything else and everyone will at some point, but those two no-things you cannot lose. Those are eternal and ever present. And perhaps (most likely lol) they are not two, but one/zero, being pointed at from two angles.

I always thought, and still do to some degree, that chakras are about ego. Why? Aren't they content? So we can only be in the unconditional bliss if our chakras are open? >>.<< I have a division within me about Chakras. I'm super egoic. What if opening the Chakras means that Ego becomes infinite? I want it to become 0, because Im egoic this way I mean think about it... If your form self is super advanced Chakra-wise, aren't you going to have a harder time when it's time to leave it behind?

I mean that the "perspective" is absolute in a sense that it points to that real thing within which that very perspective appears. The opposite of that perspective will also appear in the same field pointed to by the 'absolute perspectives' that I mentioned, although they are not pointing towards it. The string of words and the pointer are not absolute, but what they point to, that's what I'm trying to communicate that is absolute. Don't get caught up on words.

This could be only if you are looking for an absolute content, not the absolute in which all content appears.

Nothing is absolute only on the level of mind/thought. That's precisely why you need a long explanation and you can't just point to it in my experience here now.

True nonduality is a concept. Also if true nonduality means that truth = false, than it's the same as saying false nonduality means truth = false. Contemplate That's not an absolute statement. An absolute statement does not exist, but a pointer can point to what is absolute right here and now - in experience. The only thing we can know. Are you going to believe your experience or your thoughts about experience?

It's a perspective, but the opposite perspective also implies this perspective is true. For you to write 'My perspective is that I am not in the present moment and that I am not aware' you need to be in the present moment and to be aware. This is exactly the reason why I put perspective in brackets in the topic title. Because this perspective corresponds to something true absolutely true in experience. We cannot be sure whether this is dream or a 'real reality', but what we can be sure is is that we are aware and that it is now. That much we can be sure of. The rest is perspectives, but this, how can this be a perspective

But i understand your point, it's simply not relevant to what I mean. Im saying that even if you think you are the body, you're still aware and in the present moment. Doesn't change the fact that one doesn't know they are aware and in the present moment, the reality of their situation is, that they are there and aware. No matter what they do or don't identify with. Im not saying that those things are noticed absolutely, I'm saying they are true absolutely.

That's what I mean. Even if they don't have this perspective intellectually, it doesnt mean they are not aware and that they're not in the present moment. That's why im saying that those things are absolute- because they dont depend on your perspective. Truth for me is that which always is no matter what the perspective. Independent of perspectives.