Dodo

**How can we describe consciousness** Perhaps a better question is: *What is consciousness* or *What am I* I see many people/thinkers/philosophers who try to describe consciousness, with means that don't stem from a direct investigation of consciousness, but from mind and what the Ego thinks consciousness is. Those are doomed to be theoretical and full of errors, since the mind is not infinite enough to grasp something that is not an object of experience. To really know the answer all you have to do is turn attention away from all objects of experience and notice the empty field of awareness / consciousness which allows all experience to be known here and now. It's rather practical and everyone can do this. Requires no beliefs, interpretations or guessing. You have a front row seat when it comes to being able to investigate consciousness, because you *are* consciousness in your deepest essence. Putting it on a paper will be harder than realizing what it is. I guess to answer the question, in written form, I would have to try my best to describe in words that in which the words themselves (and everything else which exists) appear: (attempt) Consciousness is an ever present, effortlessly self-aware field of being, with no form, no size, no qualities whatsoever - in order to allow all qualities to exist within it. Just like a screen needs to be transparent in order to allow all varieties of colors and forms to be shown within it. **It is not an object of experience, it is that which allows objects of experience to be known.** I see people trying to approach to answer the question by viewing consciousness as just another object, like Mind or Body. But if we look at our experience, consciousness is not perceived as you perceive thoughts, images, perceptions and other objects of experience. *Consciousness is not something which can be seen, smelled, touched, thought, derived etc.*, but you can verify that it is there by asking yourself the question *"Am I conscious?/Am I aware?"*, you cannot know consciousness by any kind of objective qualities, which is where the mind fails and this becomes the "hard problem of consciousness". But it isn't hard at all. It's 0 itself, but 0 and infinity are hard problems for the Mind. When in reality zero is the simplest thing. To know consciousness one has to relax their focus from objects and see what remains. If consciousness is viewed as an object, then the investigation is already poisoned and will not yield the right result.

Yes, an even funnier statement is: " Consciousness does not exist, but everything exists in it."

but the idea here is that you cant find it as you find other things, because it doesn't have objective qualities, not even subtle ones.

@DreamScape in relation to your dad's dream, i had a dream once where the aliens came and picked me to go on their ship and I felt very proud of myself and happy. Then once on the ship I realised I will never see my friends and family again and all my excitement vanished.

@DreamScape I am one of the resident dreamers in this forum, i can say from my experience there can be some rather spookily realistic dreams with Aliens.

@Dobi i am also you, my sister calls me Dobi

What you need is a perscription. Go get a healthy dose of Eckhart Tolle and Rupert Spira, right away. Actually, you cannot overdose on them. Go.

This song is relevant

It really doesn't matter in experience! I had a dream last night that was staggering in that I had an amazing epiphany. I was walking around with friends - one of which was a little depressed and suddenly I get this sense of WOW, isn't it amazing that there is this experience?? I started talking to my friend about how incredible it is that we are alive at that moment and that we are experiencing this, that we are some creatures on some planet doing some stuff - How weird is that!! In that dream there was also an Earth below our feet and we could have talked about whether it is round or flat. In reality it was a dream Earth, made out of mind. There's no point to argue what shape it is, because it is so amazing that there is this experience in the first place !!

The only construction im busy building is the one in your projections kind sir

If its a dream we can do whatever? We can jump from 10th floor? We can kill neighbour? Nah i prefer good dreams, not nightmare. Lets make this a good dream.

There's no free will as there is no doer. There is karma, but it is not happening to anyone, only a dream dudes and dudettes. Most here know this and we free of matrix #freedomfrommatrix #hashtag

You desire such states, go for it! I am interested in what is here now always, the pathless path, no jazz needed for that. Do not project that I am talking about an egoic "I am". This is just a projection due to misunderstanding what I point to. The egoic I am is also an entity inside the true I am. The true I am, you can say love, you can say zero or emptiness, you can say any word, but they all fall short of the actual no-thing so why do we argue semantics.

You could say that love is absolute, but it would depend what you mean by the word love. Is it absolute to the one who is totally hateful? That one has the "I am" but does not have the "Love" . Unless you mean the word "Love" as "Being" or "am-ing" in which case you're saying the same thing!

What isn't is and what is isn't Turn down to up A frown to yup Turn topsy-turvy Straight to curvy Then round about and in and out Two for one and inside out But most of all Remember the game For things that change Remain the same

From my perspective as a non-dualist and consciousness-ist, I believe that even round earth is a conspiracy. That the Earth exists is also a conspiracy, since currently it does not exist in my direct experience!

I think I cannot discuss conspiracies as it is against the forum rules. I think you can see the thread from my profile when you look near the warning.

Well since you are doing that with the spoons now there will be no soup for you either young man.

@ROOBIO From a materialist paradigm you are right. From the truth paradigm, the Earth only exists in and through your experience.

I have to say as I even got a warning here about a conspiracy long ago... The things you're saying are true, but also in my case I really believed what I was saying due to astronomically low-probability events/coincidences happening which made me question things on a very deep level. And since I have a radically open mind, I did not immediately disregard what seemed out-there and simply tried to share what I thought was true with the only community I know that have a mind as open as mine.

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