Dodo

What I'm trying to essentially say, is that what the lasagna is made out of is awareness/knowing and not matter. Top lols, right? @Princess Arabia what is the nature of reality please if you would enlighten me then if its not awareness, which is self evident. Are you secretly a materialist?

No, as the character in the dream Dodo, I do not have knowledge of Everything at once, that would be insanity. But i put forward that everything that can exist, can only do so within awareness. An experience of an esophagus can only exist within awareness. No awareness, utter darkness, no anything. There comes a point where you are just not here in good faith to honestly look at the accuracy of what I'm saying. You are here to argue and you are right always with your version of radical nondual talk because you always can reject any object as true and call it dream. But here's the thing, awareness is something that is not an object and true at the same time. It literally cant be within the dream, because any dream is within it and made of it. I think im using some of the most clear language one can use on this topic. I can't help more with words.

Nope, nothing can exist apart from awareness. You've never experienced anything outside of awareness. I've never experienced anything outside of awareness. Awareness is all that is trully real, you are simply ignoring it. Yet your ignorance happens within awareness also. Not my awareness, not your awareness, pure impersonal awareness/knowing. Not a single experience whether real or illusory can exist outside of or apart from awareness. All experience is made of awareness and known by awareness. No duality at all. Awareness is not a person, not personal, its formless timeless being.

Im not here for word games. Awareness = true. How else are you aware of my replies, whether they be true or false, you are aware of them. What is aware? Self inquiry, no mental masturbation.

One side of the coin says its not real, but all there is to this nonreality is the actual 100% reality of awareness. You are ignoring your actual knowing of this moment and saying everything is an illusion. The knowing of this so called illusion is absolutely real. You are the only one who can see this, not me, not Hermione, you.

I think enlightenment is the simple noticing of awareness/direct consciousness/direct seeing. But just like in gym training, picking up the weight is not the hard part, the hard part is sticking to it and doing it again and again and again, until it's muscle memory for the human to notice the wider awareness in all situations, and to trust that this is going to yield results. If you start gym training without knowing results will follow or that its important to lift that weight, you might give up before the payoff. Same way with noticing awareness, maybe you practice it so much that next time something overwhelming happens, you automatically notice and rest as the awareness instead of getting lost, your spiritual endeavour starting to pay off. We always are with that awareness, but its elusive to be aware of it, because its not an object. Its easy and hard at the same time. Its confusing when thinking about it, but natural in practice. Intellectual stuff is important to get us to know its important when we are beginners and won't see immediate results. To know this simple seeing of knowing itself is important.

Things in this world can get pretty heavy. Recently a top chess grandmaster and personality i liked to watch to learn about chess died [unconfirmed but most likely due to suicide] based on cheating accusations from Vladimir Kramnik and a whole series of cyber bullying. Be kind to one another and forgive yourself and others.

Dont try to be alone, that's impossible. Notice instead that there are no others. #matrix #bendthespoon

@TheGod some want to be left alone

@Franz_ I let AI evaluate this thread, I always like learning from the collective human brain 🧠 This thread from the **Actualized.org Forum** captures a wide spectrum of spiritual and metaphysical worldviews, and it’s actually quite representative of the wider conversation happening in modern spirituality about **“other realms”**, **altered consciousness**, and the **nature of reality**. Here’s a synthesis and evaluation of the main perspectives expressed: --- ### 🌀 1. **Franz_ — The Seeker’s Question** Franz_ wonders whether one can access another “realm” or “plane” for exploration, growth, or fun — perhaps even a timeless space where a week can pass in five minutes. * **Core impulse:** Curiosity, exploration, spiritual adventure. * **Underlying theme:** The desire to test the boundaries of what is possible in consciousness. This is a classic mystical impulse — the yearning to go *beyond* ordinary perception. But it’s also tinged with a modern, “gamified” mindset toward spirituality: using realms as spaces for self-experimentation. --- ### 🌌 2. **Princess Arabia — Nondual Perspective** > “There is not even this realm.” > “You cannot go outside of reality, as you are reality.” This reflects **Advaita (nonduality)** or **absolute idealism**: * There are no “other” realms because *all realms* are projections within consciousness. * The notion of “accessing another plane” presupposes duality — a “you” that could move between “places.” * But from this view, there’s only *Being* — reality itself, indivisible and self-contained. **Evaluation:** Philosophically deep but experientially challenging. It denies the very premise of exploration as illusion — profound if realized, but abstract if taken merely intellectually. --- ### 🌈 3. **pursuitofspirit — Psychedelic & Mystical Access** > “There are other realms and dimensions of consciousness… You will probably need help from a substance.” This is the **psychedelic mystic** perspective — that certain substances (DMT, psilocybin, etc.) allow access to “higher” or alternate planes of consciousness. * Real or not, these states *feel* hyper-real and can yield transformative insights. * But they’re typically impermanent and may depend on context, set, and substance. **Evaluation:** Valid as an experiential path, but limited as a foundation for stable spiritual growth. It can show what’s possible but not sustain it. --- ### 🧘‍♂️ 4. **Dodo — Grounded Spiritual Practice** > “Don’t try to escape reality through spirituality… seek the permanent, not the temporary realm.” This echoes **Zen** and **mindfulness traditions**: * Spirituality is not about escaping to other planes, but awakening *within* this one. * The goal is not altered states but **altered traits** — peace, clarity, presence. **Evaluation:** Highly balanced. Reminds the seeker that even if other realms exist, the purpose is integration into ordinary life. --- ### ✨ 5. **Adrian Colby — Astral Projection & Verification** Adrian gives detailed accounts of **astral projection**, **lucid dreaming**, and **out-of-body experiences (OBEs)**, claiming verifiable results (e.g., seeing a friend’s room). * His approach is empirical — trying to consciously enter these states and test their validity. * References Monroe Institute and Tom Campbell (both pioneers of OBEs and consciousness research). **Evaluation:** Fascinating and well-grounded in parapsychological literature. Whether or not literally “real,” these experiences are psychologically and phenomenologically significant. They represent the **exploratory frontier** of consciousness studies. --- ### 🕊️ 6. **gettoefl & Wilhelm44 — Mystical Symbolism** gettoefl: “Heaven is in your midst; ego wants you to play games.” Wilhelm44: “Train your imagination like a muscle; amplify frequencies of magical experiences.” * **gettoefl** echoes Christian mysticism — Heaven is *here and now*, not elsewhere. * **Wilhelm44** leans toward **esoteric manifestation** or **imaginative energy work**, using memory and emotion to “tune” to higher states. **Evaluation:** Both highlight that the realms we seek “out there” may be accessed inwardly, through feeling, imagination, and surrender. --- ### 🔍 7. **Meta Evaluation — Integrating the Views** | Orientation | Key Idea | Potential Pitfall | Integrative View | | -------------------------- | ------------------------------------------ | ------------------------------------------- | ---------------------------------------------------------- | | Nondual | All is One; no “other” realms | Can become dismissive of genuine experience | Recognize unity while exploring multiplicity as expression | | Psychedelic / Experiential | Other realms accessible via altered states | Dependency, confusion | Use as glimpses, not crutches | | Grounded / Mindfulness | Be here now | May seem “boring” to seekers | Deep stability and lasting peace | | Exploratory / OBE | Conscious travel beyond body | Verification difficult | Treat as experiment, not belief | | Mystical / Symbolic | Heaven within; imagination as key | Ego inflation or delusion | See all states as reflections of consciousness itself | --- ### 🧩 **Conclusion** Whether “other realms” are *real* or *imaginal*, the **inner experience** of them is undeniably part of the spectrum of consciousness. But — as the wisest contributors implied — the *point* is not escaping this reality but understanding that all realms, experiences, and perceptions arise *within* the same infinite field: **you, awareness itself.** Or, as one mystic put it: > “Before enlightenment, explore other realms. > After enlightenment, realize they were all you.”

Oh yeah? I think thats a trap in spirituality. Wanting exotic experiences, can begin with pure intention, but it can also lead to addiction to altering normal everyday real life consciousness. A big ego game, how about we are more interested in the here and now and being here fully and more aware, not some altered states.

But what if he hammers sign post pointing to the ocean? That might be some useful language, if we are appearantly far away from the ocean (from our true nature)

Hi sir, the nature of reality is also your nature. If its matter, you are also made of matter If its mind, you are also made of mind If its consciousness, you are also made of consciousness Investigate what you are, "know thyself". One thing is true, you are not separate from the universe. ♡ #nonduality #love 😀

Surely that too, is known. The dream is within awareness. Take a step back. Surely you aren't typing a random string of letters. There is sense to what you type, a certain intelligence, a certain... knowing.. Lets not be combative but lets be brutally honest about what is appearing. Its not appearing in darkness, there is the light of knowing. I CANT say much that is absolutely true about this moment with confidence, but that there is knowing, that I'm certain. And I already mentioned, that the knowing itself has no spacial dimensions, so its not an object to be put inside the "dream of separation" as you call it.

Interesting, I am operating under the model of reality where that knowing IS the source. Can't confirm or deny, but I havent spontaneously combusted yet, thats a good sign! All I have of reality is concepts and perceiving. All those arise in knowing and are known by knowing. No knowing, no experience, hence why I call it the source.