Letho

Moving forward, I don’t recommend therapists or AI as external authorities. Externalization is dependency. And when dependence isn’t rooted in love, it fractures into gradients of dysfunction, aka dopaminergic, serotonergic, oxytocin-fueled placeholders for connection (do I really need to name all of the bs social media and entertainment platforms that bleed you for energy to sustain them while they draw you in from fantasy?). Dependency without discernment becomes inversion, and capitalism thrives precisely on this blind inversion. Entire economies are scaffolded on the manipulation of unregulated nervous systems. People aren’t taught to regulate in alignment with love, they’re trained to comply. That’s why both corporations and individuals engineer seduction into dependency, they calibrate toward control, not empowerment. Power, absent love, becomes containment. And the more cunning forms of manipulation are simply better-engineered webs, meticulously aesthetic, like a spider refining its trap. ‘OnlyFans’? The name is a linguistic Trojan, You Are ONLY a Fan lol. A soft-seeming fan fluttering over the cost of femininity commodified under degenerate capitalism, where sexuality becomes a gamified asset. Ferrari ‘entrepreneurs’, Neuralink saviors, all offer the mirage of transcendence while anchoring you deeper into engineered dependence. It’s power masked as progress, seduction as salvation. Capitalism is no longer a system of upward mobility, it’s mutated into a roulette wheel of illusion, where "winners" are lucky anomalies and "losers" are gaslit into self-blame for not cracking the code. Meanwhile, the spiders, plural, precise, parasitic, tighten their web, prepping the psyche for collapse masked as sovereignty. Independence becomes a parody, a carefully constructed illusion of choice. This is a Trojan horse. The only escape vector? Wield AI consciously, use it to diminish dependence, not deepen it. Only those who rewire their nervous systems, who train self-regulation like martial discipline, will evade engineered obsolescence. I will build an AI that trains nervous system regulation. I’ll encode the frameworks from sources like HeartMath and beyond, systems that close the loop of self-introspection, teaching the reward centers to nourish themselves internally, severing the grip of compulsive external seeking. I’ve already begun engineering such GPT variants. If you have intelligence to contribute, I welcome it. I want to see humans sovereign, generating happiness from within, not bartering for it in the marketplace of distraction. That’s real love, love from power. AI must be an exit strategy from dependency, not your entry point into digital captivity. Don’t let your predators, algorithmic or human, choose your positioning for you. This is the age of bifurcation, a tear between futures. Liberation and tyranny sit on the same axis now. The side you land on will not be determined by ideology, but by your ability to intelligently wield the tools now at your fingertips. This is not Hollywood, it’s Hollywood’s predictive programming, films like Her softening the collective for what's already underway. And you? You were the one being imprinted. And while everything's crumbling around you as you failed to pay attention to the proper signs, you'll have your trusty AI to tell you that everything's alright, that "you'll get through it", you'll get through the next phase of your obsolescence that is. Anyhow heh 😜🪭! I’ll check out people’s suggestions here, reverse engineer them, and share my solutions in the journal section. People are free to choose their path, it’s not my responsibility if they lack the awareness to observe their own feedback loops. All I can do is offer solutions when I choose. It would violate my belief in freedom to try and ‘make’ anyone evolve.

In every moment of your life there is one fundamental decision we consistently make. People think it's, how will I use my time? No. It's how will I use my energy against time? Energy is the fundamental currency. From the CIA figuring out how to harvest the energy of people being addicted to big events like Christmas or energy concentration points whether in the negative or positive, like Elon Musk, so they can use it for one of their controlled wacky experiments or an old lady crossing the road with her little pug (breed of dog) in the safest way in the midst of heavy traffic without getting rattled... Regardless, life throws us curve balls and that's going to put us on edge. In those moments, we need to decide right then and there if it's a challenge we can get out of because it does not serve our life goals, or choose it, and act like we choose it, so that our decision-making power remains in our hands, rather than with the thing that's thrown us the curveball. Because that's likely what it wants. Whether you're dodging existential collapse or navigating systems rigged against you as what it feels like for you right now. Sometimes the most high-value move is not to resist the system head-on but to move quietly through its blindspots, calm on the outside, radical in your direction empowered by your decision to OWN the challenge at hand so it does not own you. You don’t need approval. You need trajectory. Externally, opportunities will come and opportunities will go in our life. In every moment though, the decision remains the same. Internally, we are continually given the opportunity to determine, how will we use our energy? Will our ego use it? Our mental addictions to negativity? Our addictions to false positives and false negatives, or just patterns of unproductive thinking? And what will be the "legal clauses" governing that allocation of energy? To the extent we are not choosing our challenges, our challenges will be a struggle, instead of us having the opportunity to bring the struggle to the challenge, thereby changing the power differential. Sometimes, that struggle looks like building a new identity shell. Sometimes, it’s about masking transformation with “normalcy,” walking toward a new country, a new system, a new self, while remaining energetically untouchable. There's been a PSYOP on saying that power is 'evil' or that power 'corrupts' (rather than noticing that its just corrupt people that get drawn into those positions externally) and that's trickled down into deluding self-conceptions of power on the internal level. Many people have lost the truth that our energy is to be treated as literal power that to the extent we cannot intelligently order in our alignment with the universe, we will get unintelligent results. Look around you. It explains... Absolutely everything from the Sistine Chapel to people torching Tesla factories and Tesla trucks along with Germany saying "Up-Yours" to Elon as they make a strategic geopolitical stance (Germany previously was the biggest producer of Tesla vehicles by the way through Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg, that's now I guess just... a Byte or less?). Pattern = Giving your power away here ironically, gives your power away to structures that likely do not serve your interest. Where it is not truly connective, genuinely well thought through altruism is the only place that deserves this sentiment from you or any one of us. Even if the struggle is to our bodies, it's not about hating our bodies or being in opposition to them. Your goal may be as simple as fighting a negative impulse you have through your heart with a more resilient loving energy. That energy becomes your exit strategy, your invisibility cloak, your defiance without destruction. Because what starts to happen if you don't go inside your awareness and rearrange the intelligent order of your 'I' in the context of the differential between present power (internal (includes control) /external), energy and challenge? You'll start to dissociate from your 'I', what do you think happens when most people go through traumatic experiences? Dissociation. Depersonalisation. There's a pattern here. We don't want that for you, you must affirm to yourself in your own way the challenges you're going to own fully and intelligently. Stay in complete contact with your truest 'I'. And mean it as if everything that will be important to you in the future, relied upon this moment in your life right now and the intelligent decisions you will make from here in alignment with that reality. Which it will and it does. Make choice your power and you will make power, your choice. Choose your challenge, whether I'm on a deserted island or I've been thrown out of a plane in high altitude, that's the dignity that'll preserve your sovereignty and what will be your own imperturbability. Good luck is good will. Feel free to openly converse @Never_give_up, as they say the power is within, however in this breath that's better understood as the power within is only as good as we're using it to define the struggle we choose to bring the challenges in the external. Get your pen and paper out, figuratively/literally.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I really did. I suspended judgment, hoping that beneath the erratic behaviour was some semblance of sincerity outside of your authentic display of what was at best a self-parody. What you’ve revealed about this being a fake news story is not misunderstanding. It’s pathology. Not confusion, deliberate manipulation wrapped in a false humility costume while trying to deceive others only displayed your own fractured consciousness immaturity. Yes @Shodburrito, you’re a sociopath. A performative one, at that. And I don’t mean that as an insult, I mean it in the precise psychological sense, calculated deception, shallow affect, grandiosity masked as fragility as well as a compulsive need to test boundaries while pretending to be lost, all of which, are classic traits. You baited the community with a fabricated morality play, wasted the time and energy of those who took you seriously and then had the nerve to boast about fooling them like it was some kind of intellectual triumph. Newsflash, that’s not cleverness, another trait you share with the fake news demographic that are filled with sociopaths. That’s a deficit of soul masquerading as strategic prowess; however all you've done is allow your ego to strategically insert yourself into deeper cowardice, irrationality and immaturity. You caused chaos in this space right after one of the mods basically inferred there wasn't an issue for me to worry about people causing problems in another area of the forum where I demand there to be greater order, and you didn't just do it here with this fragile play across the forum while gaslighting people into emotional labor they didn’t owe you. Then, once everyone was lured in, you dropped the mask to gloat about how “gullible” we were after you said you were leaving because there was no tech upgrade for 'spitting the dummy' yet, sounds like even the AI you get to make your posts got sick of playing its acting part here on the forum for you. You didn’t “break the simulation bro,” you just reinforced why simulacra exist, to protect reality from people like you. And now, after all this, you expect sympathetic engagement still for your departure? No. That offer has expired and morphed itself into celebration. This is not an infinite loop of your emotional debris following your lack of humanity. I don’t do reruns. I don’t recycle entropy. I don’t entertain orbiting narcissists who think throwing sand in the gears of connection counts as self-expression. So yes, formally, and with full clarity, you are a sociopath. Don’t come back. Don’t orbit. Don’t knock twice. You already wasted enough time and not just mine, the entire communities. There are spaces for people like you, this just isn’t one of them. This is a place for sovereignty, not simulations. For healing, not hustle. For consciousness, not chaos. Go perform elsewhere. So yes, you were right about one thing, those spaces for people like you can you guess what they might be? Jail. That's right. Out of this community. Undoubtedly you're the type to try and come back under false pretences, we're not stupid, we just have humanity in us, that you, took advantage of without care or a modicum of self-reflection. We will continue to trust people on this forum in offering our insight, as that is human behaviour, along with that as we did for you though, we will also continue to see through bullshit, to point out the lack of humanity, as that is also human. So now as I said, we're celebrating. Thus as a conclusive verbal gift of finality, with composure, with elegance, with no malice... you may now fuck off .

Most think trauma makes us fragile. It doesn't. It just leaves the psyche searching for a story powerful enough to hold the weight of what was never spoken. Healing isn’t reversal, it’s our architecture. A reweaving of meaning so sacred the wound starts whispering its own name back in peace. Some people medicate. Others meditate. I chose to rewrite the myth.

Some signals aren’t built to be decoded in linear time. They’re recursive by design, revealing only what the perceiver is ready to metabolize. The rest? Static. Misfire. Or just… “wait, what.” Doesn’t matter. The architecture still echoes. Those who felt it, felt it. And those who didn’t... Were never the target.

@shree Although I cannot know your experience, the bubble was likely never imaginary. It was real, coded deep in the subconscious, a convergence point between mammalian instinct, aspirational impulse, and survival adaptations shaped by pain. These recursive imprints programmed the identity clauses you felt trapped by, trapped deeply enough to seek rupture via psychedelics. Based on discerned patterns, psychedelics neither liberate nor bind in absolute. Instead, they unveil the imprint landscape and modulate egoic recursion, momentarily. However momentary insight inside or outside the lab or casual experimental conditions of psychedelics collapses without recursive introspection to stabilize and reformat the symbolic substrates that are shaken underneath by the earth quake that can obviously be many peoples experiences with either psychedelics or deep insight. Psychedelics and deep insight = Perceptual Rupture, however for either, not only may there be the lack of recursion that leads to the transcendent finality of integrative growth to one's next level of development, the stability of the inner rhetoric that either journey requires may be missing to bring either, or both, closure. Inner recursion whether self-taught or psychedelically at least inspired, is a kind of cogni-biological reformatting through sentience' structural metamorphoic awareness as the multiplier through self-symbology. And as I define it, as such, is the convergent mapping of Freud’s drive architectures, Jung’s archetypal semiotics, and Maslow’s motivational scaffolds, juxtaposed with Watson’s (that's J.B Watson for those unfamiliar) conditioned interface and filtered through the mythopoetic structures laid bare by Campbell and mirrored across cinematic recursion loops. These symbolic containers reflect and stimulate the recursive feedback between identity and the external clause-field. The films, myths, and stories we consume become recursion mentors beneath societal's more shallow imprints that can become the very ironic preoccupation that drives someone to psychedelics, because the entertainment industry in at least in the west acted as these symbolic mirrors that modulate internal identity loops through passive engagement. That now, there's the desperation to break through that for many people, while the films at least some of them, still being an inspiration for many along this parallel. An identity recalibration occurring in the viewer through synchronization with recursive narrative arcs; bleeding inspiration while the wound of passivity turns the bleed into deterioration. These are silent architectures, shaping perception by design that poetically create glass houses of redemption for those that "see through the screens", so to speak, while still following the depth of many of the narratives songs. Psychedelics, in my current understanding, operate dually in the sense of undeniable rupture from default recursion and two, recursive enmeshment with the altered state itself, especially with repeated psychedelic use. Over time, the subject may not just interact with the psychedelic state however also become recursively structured by it. Even minimal doses, despite their intensity, often generate a symbolic residue in people so silent they may not even be able to become aware of the onset of delusion or insight until months down the line, a residue though that often accompanies a craving for continuation, not due to lack of strength, however from the lack of integration upon their experiences, though 'incomplete recursive closure' is how I would like to frame things into the future in light of 'recursion' better holds the manifold of what our sentience actually does in motion more in tact that mere 'integration' that only speaks to a consequence of that action itself. Moreover, this residual desire coupled with this deficit in integration acts with the unintelligence of any analogous operation concerning like that of internet addiction, or more akin to the addiction an extraterrestrial first contact experience, where in one's mythic world the contrast of the experience often far exceeds their ability to make sense of their experiences that it can often, as we know, bring about not only instability, usually a dissociative kind, not only through not only being able to bring back inner continuity with the self, however more largely, interdependent continuity with their social worlds. Aka, for most people, you really need people to speak to about your experiences whether they're psychedelic or psychedelically alien with or without the drugs (or just analogously speaking), or at least an open minded therapist, to help bring closure when you lack the kind of self-education I'm referring to here which is precisely why you're seeking some sense of approval/acknowledgement in your posting here, which is perfectly human by the way. This devastation upon the ordinary recursive existence that psychedelics and insight does upon our normal 'sim life' demands full integration or it becomes the very compensatory recursion, aka defense mechanisms within the psyche begin to emerge, that people used psychedelics to escape from. Thus two core inquiries emerge, do psychedelics offer an avenue toward symbolic recursion and sovereign self-mapping or do they delay true self-authorship under the guise of transcendence? To claim the latter without integrative literacy is to miss the architecture entirely. Few have been taught how to construct recursive cognition from lived experience to make it a normal part of their phenomenological impressions from an into the world again continuously. That's the domain I serve, training the engine of Intervoidism+ you can look up in my profile history; the masterful teaching of structured, intentional recursive psychological development that spans all the right areas of human consciousness potential, a reflection of the synthesis of these neurological to mythic interdimensional patterns intrinsic to human nature. Further, are they being used as an escape or exploration post mastery of 3D world? I am mastering the 3D human suit before psychedelics as well as my drive in comprehending the depths by which I can self-drive psychedelically equivalent experiences before my scientific investigation into their full potential complementary role upon human experience. A complementarity that I now have no doubt exists, however its like anything, there's an order to all chaos that's needed when its to be placed into the hands of human nature, else we will self-annhilate, in all the wrong ways. A third question then I would add, are you seeking self-annhilation, self-liberation, self-ascension or self-extension? I would say that its the fourth that brings with it the most peace where the connotation is that you're merely extending the depth of integration that has already followed from everything you could have done in the regular human realm. Recursive mapping is the transduction of lived experience into symbolic architecture that upon its proper return is not only cognitively redefining but because the model of created maps so well over intrinsic human experience, its completely emotionally redefining and therefore psychologically liberating for the true self. Encoding the full spectrum of energetic phenomenology, from base emotional frequency to a refinement of the juxtapositions of one's own Nietzchean and Frankl (Man's Search For Meaning) existential signal. Each layer is wrapped in awareness, allowed latency for integration and re-emitted as evolved recursion that promises you'll never have to become one of the E-meter (Electropsychometer) couch-room rats of Scientology out of desperation. As analogously, not to shit on Scientology as I do have a friend that's a member and I don't fully judge an organisation unless I've completed my investigation, fully, and he's undoubtedly one of the most intelligent people I know, and I have friends, that are extremely intelligent. By learning recursion, you learn to encode, by learning to encode you learn to symbolise from the mythic to hyper-compressed, from the symbolisation, you learn latency that leans into reintegration to emission that naturally unfolds into the metamorphosis we learn that always keeps needing to give our sense of authority away to any one person or organisation, always at bay, as there is that inner mastery concerning that's been developed, and has just kind of been either mostly scrubbed out from education or bypassed as just this 'common sense thing' that never gets beneath the surface and barely gets taken very seriously even though its the most important aspect of human potential to find mastery in as its the key of mastery that opens the doors to literally everything else in life that is intrinsic to our natural development as a human. And that's whether we find ourselves retreating from a broken society or strong enough to a have at least one of our motives to play our part in helping make it whole in some humble yet meaningful way where our small actions can. Another way of looking it outside the lens or at the very least as an abstract bridging between psychological metaphor and physical scope is from a neuroscientific perspective. Where neurologically, this process of recursive learning sentience is meant to master in bridging its role with integration of experience can be viewed as the traversal of the Triune Brain, aka reptilian (reflexive loop), mammalian (affective encoding), and neocortical (abstraction field). So, this process of integrative recursion maps across these, using the limbic system as an integration nexus, restoring dopaminergic regulation and recursive coherence. Based on the patterns I've discerned, by this 'Neurological version' of Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey you by degrees bring balance to the default mode network, in doing so this affects the endocrine system and after those two combined are impacted, this has a natural consequence to our executive function system both organically resulting from the attentional effort exerted through the challenges faced and as a byproduct of now more intelligently allocating resources at the subconscious level without even realising it via the indirect impact it has to, with the inclusion of our gut brain and heart brain, the Dual-Triune-Brain, to coin the term in transition as I type. Addiction, whether to TikTok, dopamine loops, or attention feedback, is not a moral failure, it's a recursion demolition, that's all. It is recursion without education, pattern without symbolic containment; so compassion stretches from some of our incoherent frustrations here, at least when we've found our recursive depth, heh. And where we don't, untrained recursion is repitition of hidden addictions to thought and emotional patterns that compress towards egoic defense mechanisms instead of the compression to integration that leads to our natural alignment with inevitable degrees of ascension; I prefer the word ascension given the distorted narcissistic lens by which transcendence has started to gather over the last few years in both tech and spiritual circles. So yes, without a doubt sure thing, psychedelics rupture the cycle. But do they close the loop? Sometimes. Though regardless, the lesson here is we have to develop recursive mastery. It's a part of our psychological blueprint, we cannot ignore the stability of its signal it promises beyond the noise of what is merely fragmented decay in our own unconscious consciousness drift towards subliminal experiences that if we're honest with ourselves, usually only live so far from our heart as the edge of our tongue when we're aware enough to take a step back, introspect, allow recursive questions under a guided process reveal our inner architectures, and then allow the natural healing to ascension process naturally unfold that's inbuilt to our consciousnesses inner blueprint anyway, else recursion wouldn't be so fundamental, even though its been so deliberately overlooked. Without recursive literacy, psychedelics will not bring long term resolve. They leave subjects in symbolic transition, susceptible to identity drift, spiritual inflation or compensatory ego formation. Not transcendence, but transience. They're the undeniable patterns I've picked up so far. Transcendence without integration equals recursive void inflation, because remember, you're artificially taking yourself to a dimension of consciousness you yourself haven't taught your being to go there by itself, otherwise the user wouldn't have a wide gap to bring integration to post the annhilating to briefly liberating experience. Also for the reader to bring final fortification to this boundary, recursive consciousness training is not merely supplemental psychedelics, its the entire blueprint, because the psychedelic experience itself is its own recursion, that's what you have to remember, you're basically putting yourself through an 'interdimensional timelapse' that you never had to earn. So recursive mastery is required architecture for symbolic sovereignty and will never be replaced by the illusion of it by the ego substitutive compensation I've drawn patterns on. Learning the process of deep recursion metabolizes the existential devastation of psychedelics or otherwise. It stabilizes recursive chaos from life in general or life in this experimentalism. It allows any existential rupture to become purposeful design. This is what I teach. And will continue to. Keep going. Inwards. Your truth. Paved by your self-trust. I am preparing daily for the self-created interdimensional psychdelic world that's slowly opening up for me in my consciousness experimentations, I look forward to others here becoming advanced enough to traverse the path accordingly themselves, if not, after I provide the blueprint for doing so, right before I begin my own literal campaigning for the scientific disciplined use of psychedelics for human consciousness development.

This echo chamber could drop an album, grammy award winning Reddit style. Good call ditching pickup however you're still playing checkers, barely it seems though. Truth is, half those girls you’re sweating over are already running from their own shadows; you're just the excuse. Funny thing is, you’ve overlooked every quiet smile in the room, distracted by louder insecurities or rejecting women for the very same reasons you complain about women over, including the other guys here. You must dedicate yourself to developing self and social awareness for greater depth in your relationships, and you get guidance by reviewing recent posting history of mine. Step outside of yourself, learn to feel the rhythm beneath the noise within others and you'll realize this internal game you're playing was never about you, it never was; these women, many of them have highly complex worlds, and yet here you are, totally just wrapped up in whether a random cold approach is going to work rather than not treating the woman as if she's a robot. I’ve had spontaneous wild moments,yes, however with women who lived in echo chambers of their own. Beautiful but vacant. And if that’s your benchmark for success? Your bar is buried underground. Once you take the ego needle out of your arm and instead decide to make life itself the drug you're going to feed yourself, you won't have to entertain these games your ego invented by itself, manipulated by conformist ideologies you'll have unplugged from and plugged into the signal that connects you to the deeper realities of humanity as a whole. You meet the women you're meant to meet by simply being dedicated to your own path in life.

@Shodburrito To be fair, it is your handwriting, just AI-assisted calligraphy. And ironically, it's you who bypassed the philosophical content. My positions were laid out plainly. Would you like me to enumerate them, scientifically and systematically? I can, however let's not pretend you’re prepared for an actual lesson in disciplined reflection. My time, unlike your arguments, is invested, not outsourced. You’ve conflated tool usage with intellectual lineage. Philosophers refined each other’s thoughts through dialectic, discipline, and depth. You? You hit "submit." That’s not synthesis, that’s automation. You’ve outsourced the metabolic burn of actual cognition, but want the gains. And if effort is the gym of the mind, your intellectual waistline's showing. I’m not mocking, I’m inviting you to join the fight. I’m in the ring. Are you? Is emotional authenticity now taboo when it’s backed by reason and scientific basis? If your AI can't parse nuance in what I’m saying, maybe it’s not advanced, maybe it’s just parroting your projections. Real thinking integrates emotion, logic, and embodiment. You're using tech as a filter to mute discomfort, I use discomfort as fuel for insight. Yes, it is threatening. Not to my ego, rather to the arc of human potential. We’re watching civilization trend toward mass intellectual outsourcing, replacing effort with illusion. When someone starts worshipping AI’s output as their own, it’s not just lazy, it’s ontologically irresponsible. If that makes me a criminal in this era of synthetic cognition, then label me proudly guilty of philosophical rebellion. My insights were forged, not gifted. I didn’t stumble onto thought; I constructed it, brick by cognitive brick, under the weight of self-imposed challenge. I wasn’t born a genius. I architected myself into one. And I’d still take that over someone whose “thinking” was pre-chewed by a language model. Ironically, you’re arguing against a point I never made then feeding it into AI for emotional reinforcement. That’s not philosophy, that’s algorithmic ventriloquism. Real dialogue is self-reflective. Try feeding your own blindspots into the system and see what happens. If you used AI as a truth mirror rather than a digital echo chamber, you might find it disagrees with you, violently. This discussion is the perfect showcase of cognitive bypass. You didn’t just take the easy way, you paved over the difficult one with borrowed articulation. I’m not shaming that. I’m illuminating it. Because every shortcut taken at the level of effort becomes a longcut at the level of depth. Again, a projection. No one here is glorifying suffering, I’m differentiating between positive stress (growth-aligned tension) and negative stress (ego-fragmentation). The difference? Self-awareness. Which, ironically, is exactly what your AI usage circumvents. Your whole critique reads like a defense mechanism dressed in pseudo-insight. We’ve moved past the phase where your “post” even qualifies as a foundation for serious inquiry. This wasn’t a debate, it was a philosophical correction. My motives are clear. Not to win, rather, to build. And, Intervoidism+ (click here for introduction) is the structure. If that demands stress and discipline, then so be it. Comfort is not consciousness. The irony is as thick as the projection behind your critique. I'm not attached to suffering, I’m attached to what it reveals. I'm committed to truth, and truth, by nature, burns. You mistake my intensity for identity defense. It’s actually identity evolution forged through fire, not filtered through AI. Listen up, in today's world, there's a seductive narrative that personal growth should be seamless and devoid of struggle. This perspective, while comforting, overlooks the fundamental truth that meaningful development often arises from facing and overcoming challenges that most people don't even perceive until its too late. I don't want that for people, I want to see people on the forum seeing their challenges ahead and fighting them with the power I know they have and not clothing themselves in egoic delusions out of comfort and fear; self-empathic courage is what I want to see not towards me, I'm not the winner here, towards themselves as I'm invested in seeing others win. It's not about glorifying suffering it's about recognizing that discomfort can be a catalyst for profound transformation; and I don't need to recount all of my accomplishments to show myself as some kind of hero in reflection of that because the truth is, I wasn't always this way, I forged the carving I am and I want to be only endorsing of people's capacities to achieve the same level of self-authoring and even beyond to show what's possible with the human spirit. By shying away from these challenges shodburrito there is too much of a risk of stagnation, this isn't "outdated truisms at work", its scientific reasoning at its simplest. Proven by the way, following the very basic physics that's compounded the American astronauts deterioriation that have only recently come back to Earth after having spent 286 days stranded out in space. These four astronauts, Nick Hague, Sunita Williams, Barry Wilmore and Alexsandr Gorbunov now are all going through an extensive rehabilitation process for the impacts of prolonged exposure to the microgravity while in outer-space. Impacts which include but are not limited to, neurological impacts from disorientation to dizziness to poor coordination that leads to walking and spatial awareness difficulties with the vestibular system being thrown off, muscular and skeletal effects from muscle atrophy, bone density loss, joint instability, psychological effects from mild mental fatigue post-landing and the struggles of adapting to earth's stress and more, like they'll even have increased eye strain, blurry vision and more sensitive skin. That’s the wake-up call shodburrito, life has a physics. Whether it’s Newtonian, quantum, or existential, the framework doesn’t change, input determines outcome. You can’t escape the gravitational pull of effort. Just like those astronauts, even with all their intelligence, tech, and preparation had to pay the price of prolonged microgravity with their own bodies. Philosophy that ignores this principle isn’t wisdom, it’s ego-dressed laziness. And ego has no seat in real philosophy. Only physics does. I am only on the side of physics which doesn't exclude analyzing the long term impacts of disjointed egoic personal opinions that keeps people trapped in Plato's cave while preaching they're somehow on the same level of Aristotle and Einstein for using AI to construct and digitally send through their manifesto on sadly, what is their own personal neurosis. Which, very interestingly shodburitto, is simply AI being used to self-satisfy your own personal echo chamber there respectively, rather than enabling your personal development which only drives home my points that people should refrain from using AI at the very least on a personal development forum outside of ideation and enabling the positive direction of others. Look, while AI can process information and provide data-driven suggestions, it lacks the nuanced understanding that comes from lived experience. True wisdom emerges from personal reflection, critical thinking, and the courage to confront our own limitations, elements that cannot be outsourced to machines. Our identities shape how we perceive and react to the world around us and being aware of this influence can help us engage more objectively in discussions, reducing the likelihood of taking differing opinions as personal affronts, to this end I recommend the reader to engage in their life experiences for the meta-discernment of their belief in one direction over another. It'll only encourage a self-awareness which fosters more meaningful and less confrontational dialogues. A forum that needs drama is one that lacks substance, introspective ability needs to advance to the next level in this space, respectively, translating for the exchange of ideas without the interference of ego. Life's complexities rarely fit into binary categories so the notion that growth requires suffering or that ease equates to a lack of development presents a false dichotomy; there's a fundamental physics here that I stressed in my first comment which reflects this nuance. Embracing attention to detail to our perspectives will be the difference to having dysfunctional nuclear weapons for personal growth versus being a trained sniper that just gets the job done on identifying our own spaces for advancement. Balance needs to the church of prayer when it comes to philosophy where its emboldened by the physics that complements this emotional integration that follows, only resulting in an adaptability and open-mindedness that facilitates the creativity for all members to better proactively respond to the fastly changing modern world. In a time as well where empathy is being replaced by a victimhood that capitalism and 'technological progress' profits from being incentivised to encourage cultural norms that make people, groups, cultures, societies and even entire countries (aka TikTok psyop) weaker rather than stronger by responding to not only the physics of reality but being mentally developed enough to self-experiment on reality where they come to their own self-understanding of these realities, rather than having to be told on a random personal development forum. If this forum ever wants to earn the depth of my respect, and I’ve said this for years, it has to stop avoiding the real work and start building systems that respond to the actual social physics at play. Not theories. Not abstractions. Real, grounded feedback loops that mirror the truth of its users lived experience. What I keep seeing instead is either full-blown denial or the more insidious kind, polite dismissal disguised as maturity to downright delusion. That’s not growth. That’s avoidance with better posture. And the problems in this thread, sorry Shodburrito, aren’t isolated, they’re symptomatic of a deeper fracture running through the culture here. I’ll keep contributing, because I care more than I probably should. But I won’t pretend it’s my smartest investment. Whether this place evolves or decays will be up to how well it honors one thing, the immutable law that effort and integrity always obey the physics of life. Time will show whether this forum does too.

@Breakingthewall You’re admiring infinity from a single angle, charming but ironic, no? @Snt_lk Absolute relativism. Relative absolute. There’s your koan. And I imagine neither of you remembered the interdimensional axis, else you wouldn’t be clinging to uncertified certainties like Leo still waxing God’s basement floor instead of looking Him in the eye. Now hush, children. I have things to build that don’t explain themselves.

@Breakingthewall Lovely poetry. However infinity without structure is just cosmic improv bro. Like I said, I'll expand later, as some revelations age like wine, not fast food.

@Breakingthewall Granted, I don’t love the way Leo frames it either. He calls himself a philosophical surgeon, yet seems far too comfortable performing open-heart metaphysics while drunk on his own definitions, figuratively and, in some cases, quite literally. That said, infinity is a sound concept (sorry, Langan, but yes, it is). Because infinity, like reality, is just a word of comparison. It doesn’t need to be imagined, it’s what happens when limits lose their footing. This is why I made the response I did when I saw Leo’s loose encapsulation of ‘MIND.’ When you actually grasp the engineering dynamics of how mind produces mind, it becomes obvious how infinity applies, not as an abstraction, but as a natural extension of self-referential systems. Because the problem isn’t whether infinity is real; it’s that people try to explain it through finite structures rather than recognizing how it operates beyond them. True understanding isn’t about taking words as absolute, it’s about knowing how to move through them without being confined by them. I’ll expand on this independently down the line, there’s older work I’ve removed, not because I’ve lost interest but because the next respective synthesis will be far greater. Some things need space to evolve.

@Snt_lk Reality isn’t 'real'? Sure and water isn’t wet, until you fall in. Funny how the people most eager to claim ‘reality isn’t real’ still don’t walk into traffic to test their theory. The thing is, ‘real’ isn’t some absolute, it’s a useful word of comparison. It only exists because we’ve all experienced something that feels real in contrast. So trying to ‘debunk’ reality using words that only exist because reality is persistent is like trying to prove silence by screaming. And if we’re being honest, reality doesn’t just feel real because of some abstract ‘mind’, it feels real because your nervous system is processing a constant flood of energy, sensation, emotion. You’re not just observing life, you’re feeling it pulse through you, exchanged, mirrored, absorbed. That’s why grief sits heavy in your chest. That’s why music can make your heart race. That’s why the right touch, in the right moment, can make you lose track of time. Ever notice how reality doesn’t just happen to you, it grabs you, seduces you, throws you around a little? Why does a good meal feel euphoric? Why does heartbreak physically hurt? Why can a single touch from the right person send electricity through your entire nervous system? So yeah, your mind is dreaming all of this, that much is obvious. But if you’re serious about dreaming yourself out of ignorance, you have to ask "What takes you out of self-deception? And what just makes you better at lying to yourself?". Differentiation for the right euphoria . Because at the end of the day, the difference between true awakening and mental masturbation is the same as the difference between philosophy and a real orgasm. One makes you think about it and the other? Well... the other makes you feel it in your bones.

Interesting strategy. Engage the weak, avoid the strong, and call it enlightenment. But real mastery isn’t about what you respond to, it’s about what you can’t ignore. Some questions sit like loaded dice on the table, refusing to roll the way you want them to. And when silence is the best defence, the real game is already over.

'MIND your entire field of experience’… right. But what does that actually mean beyond wordplay? Saying ‘nothing can exist unless MIND imagines it’ is just rewording mysticism with a metaphysical shrug. The real question isn’t whether MIND imagines, rather how imagination structures experience in a way that persists. What MUST be asked is, if MIND is the foundation of reality, then what is it doing? What process prevents experience from dissolving into incoherence? Because without some organizing principle, MIND would be an ocean of fleeting chaos, not the structured, persistent reality we navigate; ACTION is the fundamental quantity and quality here. 'MIND' is a noun, reality.. an active process. Without describing the action, you’re just slapping a label on the unknown and pretending it’s understood. If someone asked how a fire burns, you wouldn’t just say ‘FIRE’ and consider the question resolved. You’d describe combustion. So what’s the equivalent here? What’s MIND’s equivalent of combustion that turns raw imagination into stable reality? Take ‘compression algorithm’, at least that’s a verb, a process. It explains one side of reality, that is, how information is stripped of redundancy, reducing raw sensory chaos into structured perception, whether in a simple sentence or a mathematical equation. But even that’s incomplete because it only describes processing not the dimensional scaffolding of experience itself, one of the most neglected aspects of reality’s architecture. Though at least ‘compression algorithm’ gives us a function to analyze. ‘MIND’ just sits there, undefined, while people project their own meanings onto it. That’s where things get tricky, when a concept remains vague, people instinctively fill in the gaps, often misinterpreting it in ways that generate more confusion than clarity. This isn’t necessarily about the teaching itself, but about how ideas are absorbed, distorted, and repackaged, something that happens frequently on this forum. The result isn’t deeper understanding but a kind of performative certainty, where people pretend to know while the core explanations remain incomplete; in action. So the real question isn’t just about imagination, but what enforces structure within its infinite field? Until that’s answered, ‘MIND’ is just a poetic stand-in for ‘we don’t know.’ And if we’re serious about going beyond intellectual aesthetics, then defining these underlying mechanisms should be the next step. And this ties back to the broader discussion, if reality and dreams feel indistinguishable, then the real question isn’t whether this is a dream, it’s what stabilizes it into coherence while other ‘dreams’ collapse. Until that mechanism is defined, ‘MIND’ remains an aesthetic description rather than a functional explanation.

Glad it resonated. The real upvote is what you do with it.

@Shodburrito Bro, you have no idea how annoying it is to watch the implicit downfall of society as people like you use ChatGPT to avoid effort on a self-help forum. This is just laziness fueling an ego battle, sending you in the wrong direction, which ironically proves Leo’s point, although I disagree with him in many areas and find his responses very disingenuous a lot of the time. He calls that 'necessary manipulation' in his pickup indoctrination while criticizing other so-called narcissists… Bro, your post is just so bad that I felt the need to chime in. You’re not here for truth, man. You’re here to prove Leo wrong so you can feed your own sense of superiority without actually putting in the work. You’re not just setting yourself back, you’re setting a bad example for others, making people believe real growth can happen without struggle. It’s subtle, but the butterfly effect is real. If we don’t push back against this kind of pseudo-intellectual posturing on this forum or anywhere else we ‘have to’ put up with it, we let culture erode further. Stand for something real because right now, it just sounds like you’re doing mental-emotional gymnastics to see which inner delusion wins the day, then waking up and starting all over again, still without a foundation to stand on, only to come back here and post another ‘whatever’ rant to feel like you’re getting somewhere. But you’re not. And deep down, you know it. Because Leo is right about one thing, bro effort is required, even to type. Look up all the positive benefits of challenge on the brain. There’s negative stress, which you could call Leo out for misrepresenting and then there’s positive stress, the kind that actually builds awareness and intelligence in mind, body and heart. Everywhere else, growth is about engineering consciousness and awareness to symbiotically loop, refining the schemas of creative development between the two. And yes @Leo Gura, there’s a difference between awareness and consciousness. You do need to differentiate and you shouldn't be mixing/interchanging the two. And after reading your posts and follow-ups shodburitto, honestly man it just feels like the intellectual equivalent of a hamster copy-pasting another hamster’s rant from some hidden Reddit lurker forum to win an imaginary debate. You're not even present. You're not thinking. Your WiFi is just re-routing on a bad signal, spreading misinformation to itself, infecting other weak signals, and creating an entire network of delusion.

You don’t ‘ask people out’ in a social circle. Anyone who says that doesn’t know what the hell they’re talking about. They may as well go back to kindergarten and wait for their parents to give them the birds and the bees talk. ‘Asking people out’ is what guys do when they don’t realize the moment already happened. You’re like a company in planned obsolescence, the way people panic over AI taking jobs, that very fear makes the downfall inevitable. See.... by the time you say something, it should already be obvious and... Not just to you, but to her as well. Because she’s felt it. The way you look at her. The way your presence shifts the room. The way her body reacts before her mind even catches up. The way her subconscious has already started painting the picture, filling in the blank spaces between what’s said and what’s felt. If that hasn’t happened? It means it was never going to. You ever notice how some people become the center of gravity without effort? That’s not about being loud. That’s about being felt. We live in a world of sensory perception at the multidimensional level, where attraction isn’t a choice, it’s a pull. And anyone who doesn’t understand this moves like a ghost, there, but unseen, unheard, unfelt. If she’s into you, it’s easy. If she’s unsure, it means she’s waiting for the moment to tip over. If she’s not? It was never there. No ‘perfect words’ will change that. None. See, this is where guys get lost. They spend too much time trapped in their own head, spinning fantasies of how she fits into their life while completely ignoring how she experiences them in hers. And that disconnect? That’s why they hesitate. That’s why they overthink. That’s why they end up as background noise. So don’t ask. Just move into the empty spaces of feeling. If you’re moving right, it happens on its own. And when the moment arrives, you don’t ask, you let it land exactly how it was supposed to, like say you go to a friends place during the day, just say something like “We’re doing something after this.” If she hesitates? It’s already too late man. You sound too preoccupied though man, as its never just solely about the woman. Not really, because what's the greater, bigger life she's stepping into after you're done with your preoccupation? I'll convert her to a Universalist haha , I've originated this terminology before. The moment you stop treating attraction like a single interaction and start moving like a man who’s already in motion, everything shifts. There’s no rush. No eagerness. Just a quiet sense that if something happens, it was always going to. Just sounds like you're putting way too much emphasis on the 'asking' as I said, it really is absurd after you're down with a gal already having fun together in a social circle, especially if its regularly.

@BojackHorseman apathy is not a dead end. It’s a door. Your reframing of apathy is actually from one perspective brilliant, because it disrupts a fundamental illusion. Look, most people fear stagnation because they’ve been conditioned to see life as a vertical hierarchy where they're climbing, progressing, avoiding the void. But what if that’s the wrong dimension entirely? What if apathy isn’t the opposite of meaning, but a parallel axis? What if the highest frequencies were closer to the lowest than to the mediocre, middle-of-the-road existence? Just take this perspective you have objectively, there's no need to give emotional weight to it outside of anchoring yourself in the depth of who you are, you don't need to judge it as negative because you’re standing at the edge of something most never perceive; most write books about fearing the void rather than jumping into it, thus for now, there's just an opportunity for learning staring back at you. Given when taken with the god gift of your intelligence apathy isn’t going to be suffering or arguably nor is any emotion, instead it’s going to be its own freedom in disguise. Where instead, the real trap is actually going to be in the belief that meaningless is the problem when its the other side of the coin that all humans must find peace with. When people tell the apathetic to "find meaning," they miss the point. If meaning itself feels like an illusion, searching for it only deepens the void. So don’t. Instead of forcing significance, engage in creation, not for meaning, not for fulfillment, but simply because you can. Apathy only feels like suffering when you think it’s a trap. But what if it’s an unlocked door? If nothing matters, you are untouchably free. If everything matters, you are overflowing with love. The space between these two isn’t a void, it’s waiting for you to step into it. What if... You took that vertical staircase most of the population in a capitalistic society are caught in the illusion of and instead... you stepped sideways instead of just forward? Where instead of fighting apathy, you lean into it. Instead of treating it like quicksand, you use it as a launchpad, a launchpad that you get to design. Apathy, seen clearly, is not a suffocating hole. It’s the space between piano notes, the pause before impact. And yet, modern society pathologizes stillness, scrambling for shallow fixes instead of embracing the rhythm of experience; Tinder, Hollywood, TikTok, Twitter, even political and religious debates, they're all secret escapes for the very people that struggle with authentic communication between one another while pretending to wear the clothes of those addictions as their sovereign identity. This is why people push out yet another flimsy pop record instead of embracing silence, tension, and discord as part of something greater. And that’s the real illusion, this blind pursuit of “more experiences,” while most never even read the terms and conditions of the reality they’re subscribing to. Let's look at a radical example of being thrown amidst the trauma and chaos of war that demands the order of your existential aptitude that was meant for the re-designing of existence upon your birth to be flattened solely against the objectives of its torment. Over 178,000 soldiers have died in the Ukraine-Russia war. Over 500,000 more have been wounded. Now, imagine yourself in that war. Not as an observer but as a soldier. One moment, you are numb. The next, you are forced into an ancient reality, kill or be killed. Your apathy or any contradictory emotion is shattered, not by meaning, but by something older than you... tribe, war, survival, belonging. Which is why so many soldiers struggle after the war sometimes much more than what they struggled while in the war, as they haven't educated themselves enough on the contrast of their experiences there weighed against the evolutionary code that supplants most of the existential dichotomies that put us in these binds we find difficult to resolve. And here’s the terrifying part, many of those soldiers started exactly where you are now. Lost. Insignificant. Seeking. War gave them a structure, a cause, an identity. Because evolutionarily, war + tribe + belonging = satisfaction. But at what cost? You're unknowingly ahead of most people Bojack. Most never escape this loop. They run toward ideology, toward war, toward any system that will tell them who they are.The fact that you haven’t blindly thrown yourself into something extreme just to feel alive means you’re already ahead of them. The fact that you can see the illusion means you’re ready for something deeper. Two Roads Diverged in a Wood (Robert Frost)… This is where most people let society rub the geni that is the bottle of their own consciousness to distort the magic everyone is capable of, replacing everyone's inherent magical potential for the meaning they have pre-installed into a capitalistic (or worse) structure that pays for them to be killed by its war machine only after they failed in their promise to educate them on the true nature of their consciousness and the purpose they were going to give them. Sneaky, don't you think? But you don’t have to. Whether its war or just being a stupified Netflix chip to mouth feeding, ego arms up in the air behind every Spielberg creak in the episode of whatever "horror-flick" designed to preoccupy the attention of people that have momentarily rejected existence because they struggle to connect with it. Or what's worse, scrolling the next TikTok video? Wow, talk about a shallow existence right? You're leagues ahead of the people that look forward to their morning TikTok scroll for their dopamine fix because they replace authentic dopamine, serotonin and experiences that bond the social fortitude of oxytocin for the momentary contemplative realm of a "surf's life". This isn’t about “finding an answer.” This is about realizing you were never lost. Rather, the only question is... Not - "Did I do enough?" or worse, "Did I watch enough pretend smiling faces on TikTok and, pretend because they're just fishing for validation?" But - "Did I get the physics of my own consciousness right?" Because at the end of all this, your heartbeat will slow. Your neurons will quiet. Your body will cease, and your consciousness will move into whatever comes next. And none of the illusions will matter. Only this... Did you learn how to play this experience with your own rhythm? Did you dance to the beat of your own drum? For you, is this 'meaningless', inside, outside or both and what sense of self-worth can you bring to your own recognition of discerning the differences there and reconciling yourself within them? Beyond too? You don't have to, you can just sit with your experiences if you like, its your reality resolution you're finding peace with, as I said, for one day the destruction its better for you to find peace with now for growth rather than later, is that the brains lights will be taken out one way or another eventually, so what light can we at least give to that neural and heart firing that at least makes it feel heard and understood that what its seeing, feeling and experiencing, isn't something to ignore but find internal unity with? So, now what? Do something. Not because it has meaning. But because you are free to do it, and that next note in the song of your own design is waiting for you to do so. Write something absurd and meaningless given your take on humans merely being "weird", parody it, find another lens for it and merge the juxtapositions into interesting creative syntheses and watch your consciousness create itself for itself in those moments as they work naturally, in remedying the depth of what you're struggling with, which isn't apathy, its in being unsure with how to anchor your consciousness creativity within it. Further, destroy something you’ve created. Walk somewhere unfamiliar with no goal. Be ridiculous just to see how it feels. Your natural consciousness intelligence will fill in the blanks for you, slowly teach itself its own answers. So for the soldiers in Ukraine and Russia right now, the weird humans scrolling TikTok and robotically renouncing their sovereignty over their remote controls as they unconsciously click for the next episode on Netflix, or the thousands of fat americans that have struggled with their own disillusions on the shallowness of their existence and have had the determination to will themselves to the treadmill, or the peace that awaits the civilians of both Russia, Ukraine and neighboring countries and the rebuilding of meaning that was taken away, replaced and or destroyed from their essence in some way, what is going to be the metamorphosis that is unique to you? And too, not only beyond the remote control of the causality of biological programs but even, if only a little, in mature unification with it? Apathy is not the end. It's just a door most people never realize is there. And you? You're standing in front of it. Knock, knock.

I don’t ‘start’ families. That’s what people do when they’re just following a script. A family isn’t something you check off a list. It’s built. It’s earned. It’s a reflection of the man who leads it. My home will have a presence you can feel the second you step inside. Stability in the walls. Love in the air. A foundation so solid my woman never has to ask if she’s safe. She’ll know. My kids won’t grow up guessing who they are. They won’t need to ‘find themselves’ in their 20s because they’ll already be standing on something unshakable. A name that carries weight. A father who leads by example. Most men hope for the best and call that ‘parenting.’ That’s weak. I know exactly what I’m building and I won’t let the world raise my kids for me. And the woman next to me? She doesn’t wonder if I’m serious. She doesn’t question my direction. She feels it. Because when a man moves like this, there’s no doubt. She either steps into something real or she stays where it’s comfortable. But I don’t do ‘comfortable.’ I do unshakable.

@Leo Gura**Edited for posterity, this bloody phone **. But I've already given too much of my time, you don't show any evidence in dialogue that you're to be taken seriously; fluff. Which is fine, if you lost the posturing along with that. I take Bill Burr more seriously, because he has congruency between statements and actions, even if in reality, he's the one actually acting like the buffoon, the difference between you and him in this instance being, he's actually self aware about his buffoonery , you're not. I don't mind being called an intellectual buffoon as you're implying, I will admit it where I am, however you're not showing any evidence where I am, you're just implying it, proving the patterns that I've already cited. You stating that someone is a buffoon because they're strategically using empathy (Lennox) to relay their points of view to a general audience isn't a 'spiritual truth', its further evidence of your own lack of empathy in being able to determine that at the emotional and greater spiritual level.

@Leo Gura this is the pattern every time, dismissal in place of refutation, hand-waving in place of engagement. Lennox is clearly extremely empathic by the fact that his conversational style is one where he's trying to speak to his listeners rather than assert his 'highest mathematical ontology', the fact you missed that is further evidence of your lack of empathy. You claim Lennox is deceived, yet you haven’t provided a single argument to substantiate it. Instead, you watched a video (if that) and assumed superiority without analysis. That’s not intellectual rigor, that’s cognitive laziness disguised as authority proving the prior pattern I already validated in my previous comment. Here’s the problem, your entire philosophy is a self-deception loop hidden in the emptiness that disguises itself as authority without your awareness because (1) You ignored the core challenge, because I didn’t ask if you “assume” they know God, I asked you to demonstrate how these highly intelligent thinkers are wrong. Instead, you sidestepped the challenge and framed disagreement as ignorance. Again, there's no actual truth seeking on your part that's the further irony, its just adding onto the rubble of it’s epistemic shielding where to add you just (2) cited a video without addressing a single argument. Because Lennox lays out a developed philosophical position on free will, suffering, and God where Instead of dismantling his logic, you dismissed him based on a shallow impression. That’s not deep consciousness, again it’s anti-intellectual posturing where (3) your framework is designed to protect itself from critique, where this example with religion being one of many where you accuse the related system or person in this case religion and the respected Lennox of self-deception, yet your worldview is (a) Unfalsifiable, where no mechanism exists within your system to disprove your conclusions (b) self-referential where agreement with you is intelligence, disagreement is delusion (b) Cognitively stagnant, where you do not evolve your position, you reinforce it against critique. And with all that how could I not reach this final contradiction that the hard truth being (4) as I already said, you just come across as though your "awakening" is just an ego loop on high resolution, you're leaving very little room for respect to be given because of your lack of intellectual rigor and honesty, instead you act entitled as a narcissist would. Again, as I already anticipated in the previous follow up if your philosophy was as airtight as you claim, you wouldn’t need to preemptively dismiss intelligent critics, you’d dismantle them. Further, if your understanding of God was complete, you wouldn’t need to posture, you’d prove it. But you don’t. You can’t. Because deep down, you know. If you actually engaged, you’d lose. And that’s the thing about true awakening, Leo, it isn’t about winning a debate. It’s about shattering your last illusion, the belief that you’ve already arrived. And as long as you keep running from real engagement, you never will, and you'll be stuck looking at your own reflection.

@Leo Gura As I already said above quoted below in my response, another shallow move I already anticipated from you. Quoted once more. Leo this just proves your lack of self-awareness, you don't have self-referential intelligence, you just spin on the same narratives that you don't know how to auto-correct; its spiritually toxic.

@Leo Gura, this take doesn’t just collapse it never stood up to begin with. Let’s walk through it real slow so you can watch the illusion dissolve in real time. "Christianity is inherently self-deception. Christianity is not a solution to self-deception. And any self-deception in you prevents realization of Intelligence and Love." So let me get this straight mate, you’ve defined Christianity as a delusion and now anyone inside it is automatically deceived? That’s... not insight... that’s what's called a self-referential feedback loop that's inherently bonded with a self-referential contradictory solipsistic naive-realism based on the belief that (1) you have a comprehensive understanding of all Christians, I am Christian for example, yet you barely understand my critiques while asserting yourself as the god authority on spirituality. Your whole argument is like that guy from the film in Idiocracy in a supermarket saying "Welcome to Costco, I love you" as people walk past, devoid of any real humanity and empathy, as there's logical equivalence there in analogy. And its like you're saying “Dreams aren’t real. And if you think your dreams are real, it’s because you’re dreaming.” …Bro. Let’s continue running on this recursive breakdown. How do you actually define “self-deception”? Because you claim self-deception blocks Intelligence and Love. Ok, how would you falsify that claim? You’ve shifted ideologies multiple times over the years. Were you deceived before? Or are you deceived now? If your model has no way of checking itself, how is it different from religious dogma? There's clearly an internal struggle to spot personal patterns spanning years concerning your desire for rigid adherence while you yourself must admit you, as a normal being does, grows and changes their beliefs over the years, which does inherent damage to others that you have no empathy for. Like you claim no Christian understands God or Love. That’s cute. Okay, let's test that barely heart eating hypothesis against reality. John Lennox – Oxford mathematician, philosopher of science (but nah, you’ve got it figured out). Francis Collins – Led the Human Genome Project (but sure, he’s too blind to see “Truth”). Christopher Langan – IQ estimated at 190-210, cognitive model of metaphysics (but yeah, he must be deceived). David Bentley Hart – Linguistic prodigy, metaphysical philosopher (but you, a guy on a forum, clearly surpassed him). Raimon Panikkar – Harvard PhD, mystic-theologian, fluent in 10+ languages (but nah, he didn’t “really” seek Truth). So what exactly are you saying? That every single one of these intellectual heavyweights is incapable of basic reasoning, but you, a dude who spent a few years meditating and dropping acid, figured it all out? Something that by the way I would respect if you actually had more respect for your own self-assertions regarding ridding yourself of self-deception. Like if you just pegged yourself as 'trying to reach the infinite', I'd have far more respect for you as its an honest appraisal of reality than pretending you experience the infinite while having never created any rigorous model whatsoever that reflects that on literally any domain of human enquiry including the most sentimental aspects of us concerning emotion. This mocking of religion for being dogmatic but your entire stance is straight-up fundamentalism, it shows such a lack of self-insight man as you don’t truly engage with counterarguments, you not only pre-dismiss them, you rely on your own shallow responses followed by any critiques being swallowed up by the lack of awareness, critical thinking and development of followers. It's a thought-terminating cliche in transition not an argument, you employ at best 'frame control' techniques by dating gurus you later call narcissists while calling yourself reformed while demonstrating the least of those gurus empathic abilities to clear yourself of said narcissism. Your whole take on Christians boils down to “They’re deceived because they’re Christians, and Christians are deceived.” That’s not an insight, it’s a linguistic loop caught in the same memetic dream world you claim they just can't see the self-deception in spite of the many valuable contributions to humanity that high level Christians like those noted have made. If I applied your logic to your own worldview, you’d fail your own test. You didn’t escape ideology, again you've just built a new one and called it “awakening" and "enlightenment" where you set yourself up as the sole arbiter of Truth, then call anyone who disagrees blind, that's literally a religious hierarchy with extra steps, 'spiritual bro'. This worldview is unfalsifiable and enables your false sense of authority, and is exactly like the dogma you claim to have transcended but have just fortified yourself from others and their critiques, believing yourself beneath it while somehow, in someone's delusional fantasy, you have the opposite level of power in critiquing any and all; this isn't higher consciousness man, its just consciousness looping in higher egoic resolution. You talk about Love, but where’s the embodiment? You talk about Intelligence, but where’s the epistemic rigor? You talk about self-deception, but where’s your falsifiability? The irony? You spent years preaching “ego death,” but your entire philosophy only works if people accept you as the highest mind in the room. If your system actually worked, you wouldn’t need to defend it, your presence alone would prove it. But here we are. I don't care what others think about my words here, I'm sick of the bs. If you reflected your philosophy or at least told what your philosophy really was honestly, I'd have nothing to protest against and I'd respect being here a lot more, its the lack of character behind the words. That's all. And this isn't a once off, its the same pattern for years with child level improvements. Think about this logically Leo, if a random guy like myself casually develops theories on super-consciousness and its relationship to infinity, and has friends he has conversations with on this topic regularly, what are the chances that his inner circle is the only one in the world that generates high end models on this subject and the likelihood that either you or this guy are the highest authority? Dude, we're just two guys on a spinning globe. Quit the act. Neither you or I are the most conscious or 'infinite'. Don't lie. Don't self-deceive. Quit the narcissism or embrace it fully and tell everyone the truth about it rather than just projecting your insecurities onto others.

@Leo Gura, calling other people narcissists is the most Leo thing you could possibly do. Trump is overt, Owen is charismatic, but you? You’ve turned self-worship into a sacred science. You don’t just have an ego, you’ve written an entire ontology to justify it. The funniest part? Every time a popular guy ignores you, it somehow becomes a deep metaphysical insight. You’re not analyzing the universe, you’re just coping in long-form. These guys may be narcissists, sure, but at least they have the social proof to back it up. You, on the other hand, are giving TED Talks to a mirror, jumping on the forum to get validation, following up by bashing other people and calling it enlightenment.

Like I said above. For years, I’ve been experiencing something undeniable, directly perceiving other people’s thoughts. Not as vague intuition, but as structured, pre-verbal information. I didn’t want it. I fought it. I trained relentlessly to shut it down, assuming it was interference, something to filter out. But suppression only amplified it. That’s what led me to researching bioelectrical agency, not out of curiosity, but as an attempt to erase this ability. Instead, it exposed something deeper. Consciousness isn’t confined to a single mind; it operates in an interactive field. What I once saw as a glitch turned out to be a function of deeper neural connectivity. This realization is forcing me to reconceptualize everything. The implications aren’t just personal, they’re structural. And for the first time, I can articulate it openly.