Mellowmarsh

Continuing then…allow me to resume getting back to the actual thread topic... Waking up is a double edged sword, it works both ways the way all dualities work. Consciousness. Is both a blessing and a curse. Take your pick. Choose your preference. You are obviously going to prefer one part of the dream in favour of the other, let’s not kid ourselves here. 1: There’s the waking up to the realisation / recognition that separateness is an illusory appearance in the mental form known as an idea within what is ultimately one seamless interconnected whole. 2: There’s the waking up to the realisation/ recognition that wholeness is never your aka a humans actual experience. And yes, you are an human being, no matter how much you piss and moan or reject that thought, you cannot escape your human form. Therefore you are inevitably a fragmentation, a fractal if you prefer that terminology. But you are never the totality. And so separation is all you will ever experience, and will be all you’ve ever known of your entire fleeting and temporal existence, separation is your lot, from cradle to grave. The idea that humans were never meant to wake up from the dream of separation means that feeling like an isolated individual is the core design of the human experience. So good luck to all you’s who pretend they’re not the ones who are feeling their feelings, because you are. And also don’t forget to remember that your inevitable death will simply make a mockery of your life, this happens to the very best of us, no one is spared, or saved, or given special superpowers that they become immune from its almighty pull. ———— An AI perspective on why it’s better to stay in the dream, or be lost in fantasy… you poor little lost souls. Why the Dream Exists The Illusion: From birth, the mind creates a strong boundary between "me" and the rest of the world. The Experience: This separation allows consciousness to explore, feel pain, love, and build an identity. The Play: Many spiritual traditions view human life as a grand play where forgetting our true connection to the universe is required to play the game. What Happens When We Wake Up Shattering the Ego: Realizing you are not separate can shock the nervous system and end old habits. Returning to Whole: Awakening reveals that the separate self is just a temporary character in a much larger reality. Remaining in the Dream: Even if a person wakes up to this truth, they still live inside a physical body and a human world.

Okay.

In this conception known, yes.

@AerisVahnEphelia 🙂

My point which you seem to miss is that there’s no one who claims to own pain as my pain, there’s just pain, and it’s very palpable and real and not untrue. No one is claiming this knowledge, it’s simply known by the only knowing there is that cannot be known. Again, one cannot know the absolute because one is the absolute. Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality. Humans were not meant to wake up because no one wakes up. This immediate life is already wide awake,the belief in a “ someone “ who awakens is an illusion. That’s the whole story that this thread was pointing to.

This relative claim is a knowledge is a "relative term" defined entirely by its correlative: the knowable object. The totality cannot be known by a relative object known as a human. An object is a projection of the absolute, an object cannot know the absolute because it is the absolute.

Again, pain is not untrue, pain is very much real and true absolutely. I think we’d all agree on that one as a fact.

I’ve noticed you’ve said a few times the “chosen one’s” That’s nonsense, it’s not an understanding specifically designed only for the “chosen one’s” to know. It’s is not a personal achievement, it’s either understood or it’s not, and when it is, it is consciousness recognising its own universal interconnected nature. For Human mind there’s a sense of separation that helps them function in the physical world. Beneath the surface of everyday thoughts lies a continuous field of existence where everything is fundamentally connected. Awakening doesn’t mean 'you' awaken. It means that there is only awakening. There is no 'you' who is awake; there is only awakeness. That’s what Ramana is pointing to in the op video.

Relatively real is absolutely real. The illusion of real doesn’t change, an illusion is absolutely an illusion and never not an illusion. This absolute unchanging changing illusion is real.

@Hyperion Only dead people don’t feel pain. No one with a fully functioning nervous system escapes the sensation of pain. And no, it’s not great, if you ask me, unless you say it’s great, then it’s great.

Anyways, getting back to the original point, dogs don’t know they know. Unlike humans who do not lack metacognition. Metacognition is unique to humans serving as an interpretive story ( fiction ) we tell ourselves after the fact.

Like words inscribed upon a flowing river with watercolour paint.

🙏😀