Mellowmarsh

Show me an image of this said seen container me, as absolute evidence of your claim. Otherwise you might just have said awareness looks like 45

Not really, intention is the rider of the will. “The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection, and the water has no mind to retain their image"

What does a container look like, do you have an image of this said seen container?

What did it look like?

Sometimes people conflate the word knowing with seeing. Awareness is conceptually known but never actually seen as an image is seen, an image is an image of the imageless. Only the image is seen, not the imageless. And images neither see or known because they’re all just concepts, including awareness even. That said.. anything seen doesn’t actually exist, except in this artificial fictional conception.

It’s known, not seen.

This self aware reality is known in its mental conception. It’s never actually seen. It’s only known conceptually as an object of seeing that cannot be seen. Concepts known, know nothing. Meaning this self aware reality is illusory. Like Einstein noticed when he claimed that reality is an illusion, albeit a very convincing one.

Okay if that’s how reality is perceived by you, then that’s how it is there. It’s your idea after all. However, your idea perceived there, is not the same as how I’m perceiving here. So we might just have to call the whole thing off. Thanks for the interaction though. Bye for now.

Self aware implies two. A knower and the known. So if both are equally real, how would the concept “real” be known to have any significant meaning if there’s nothing else it’s distinct from? What would the word “REAL” even mean, so to speak?

I’m not exactly sure what you mean by that claim….so I asked A.I. It said.. We can never step completely outside of our own perception to test what reality looks like un-observed, you are left to choose whether the consistency of the universe implies an independent external world, or simply a deeply complex, self-contained mental landscape. Then I personally thought about how what we perceive as the external world is a reality existing due to it being conceptually known and labelled reality as such. But until the human mind showed up on the scene, what did this assumed reality know about its existence. For example: trees were here long before humans were here, and what do trees know about their existence? Does a tree ever tell itself it’s a real tree existing in a tree reality.?

Is there anyway to repair the breach?

The finite doesn’t come. The infinite closes the gap between coming and going. The infinite has no room for any thing other than the Infinite. The infinite never moves from here to there, because the infinite cannot get there from here.

The good sage leaves behind nothing but a shitty mess upon their death. This mess never gets cleaned up. These mental maps are infinite in form and are forever imprinted on the pristine screen of pure untouched awareness. Every new birthed mind is like adding more paint to the screen. The layers build up to become so thick and dense distorting what lies beneath from ever being revealed. The screen remains untouched untarnished. The screen is the fundamental pristine clarity that remains ever hidden from the mind. Only the minds image upon the screen of awareness is known, not the imageless awareness. It couldn’t have been any other way. It had to happen that way. Shit happens, so to speak.

Okay allow me then…. I don’t believe there’s a fixed reality, so if you’re trying to fix in place a reality as meaning real, then that’s just your perception of what you imagined real to mean. However,there’s is no true boundary between "you" and the rest of the universe. Reality can only be an imaginary real. It’s a human mentally constructed system and not as it actually is. Actually means unchecked, but even “actual” is imagined. There’s no access to an imagined reality, it’s all inside your head, appearing as a synthetic projection of thought perceived. Thoughts are not actually real, they are fictional models of perception, and not necessarily true or real except as believed wishful thinking. Theres no perceivable perceiver. The perceiver is the perceived and perception is never what it seems. It’s a mirage in the desert.

Indeed, and this quote by JK sums it up completely… ” The moment I am aware that I am aware, I’m not aware” .