Mellowmarsh

Don’t tell me here that you there have seen awareness without showing me here the evidence for your claim there. Provide evidence. Without evidence you cannot convince others you’ve seen awareness, you can only convince yourself. And that would be your own delusion of grandeur.

Enlightenment can be just another word for Infinity. It’s a fixed concept known, but this known is an illusory knowledge because of the measurement problem. Infinity cannot be measured to have a fixed finish line because the line would go on infinitely impossible to be measured. Infinities start every time it is conceptualised as an idea, but the idea is illusory. What is an idea? I have no idea. Infinity is a concept, not a reality. It’s an idea, born out of the human mind. Looking out I see everything. Looking in I see nothing. The external is a projection of the inner. Nothing appearing to be Something.

Saying you’ve seen awareness is your belief. A belief is a lie you’ve fallen for hook line and sinker. Saying awareness looks like a container me is arbitrary and meaningless. The only thing you can be certain of is that you are aware, or conscious. The buck stops there, everything else is linguistic, in other words, known conceptually, but never actually seen. Not to confuse seeing with knowing. Seeing is the seen, the observer is the observed, and knowing is the known. You are mistaking objective reality for the knower. But there is no knower without turning the knower into an object seen. Objects see and know nothing.

Nice deflection. Still no show.

Show me an image of this said seen container me, as absolute evidence of your claim. Otherwise you might just have said awareness looks like 45

Not really, intention is the rider of the will. “The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection, and the water has no mind to retain their image"

What does a container look like, do you have an image of this said seen container?

What did it look like?

Sometimes people conflate the word knowing with seeing. Awareness is conceptually known but never actually seen as an image is seen, an image is an image of the imageless. Only the image is seen, not the imageless. And images neither see or known because they’re all just concepts, including awareness even. That said.. anything seen doesn’t actually exist, except in this artificial fictional conception.

It’s known, not seen.

This self aware reality is known in its mental conception. It’s never actually seen. It’s only known conceptually as an object of seeing that cannot be seen. Concepts known, know nothing. Meaning this self aware reality is illusory. Like Einstein noticed when he claimed that reality is an illusion, albeit a very convincing one.

Okay if that’s how reality is perceived by you, then that’s how it is there. It’s your idea after all. However, your idea perceived there, is not the same as how I’m perceiving here. So we might just have to call the whole thing off. Thanks for the interaction though. Bye for now.

Self aware implies two. A knower and the known. So if both are equally real, how would the concept “real” be known to have any significant meaning if there’s nothing else it’s distinct from? What would the word “REAL” even mean, so to speak?

I’m not exactly sure what you mean by that claim….so I asked A.I. It said.. We can never step completely outside of our own perception to test what reality looks like un-observed, you are left to choose whether the consistency of the universe implies an independent external world, or simply a deeply complex, self-contained mental landscape. Then I personally thought about how what we perceive as the external world is a reality existing due to it being conceptually known and labelled reality as such. But until the human mind showed up on the scene, what did this assumed reality know about its existence. For example: trees were here long before humans were here, and what do trees know about their existence? Does a tree ever tell itself it’s a real tree existing in a tree reality.?

Is there anyway to repair the breach?