Mellowmarsh

Okay. Then do you know what is God for a human species? Im assuming Leo is a human, right?

Is this Alien’s God? I’m asking.

Genuine question… Is this Spinoza’s God? Or is this Leo’s God? Also, what in your opinion Leo, is beyond the horizon of your god consciousness ? You mentioned it without mentioning what it is you are mentioning?

The absolute is conscious of consciousness. Consciousness is not conscious of the absolute, because consciousness is already being known absolutely. You are this knowing that cannot be known.

No human being can know or grasp the absolute. Because you are the absolute knowing that cannot be known. So it’s not even relevant to point out the idea of a limited grasp of the absolute to someone whilst simultaneously knowing the absolute is not limited by limits. Any claim to know this absolute knowing places limitation on what is absolutely unlimited as there’s nothing outside or beyond infinity that can claim any knowledge of it. It’s already the knowing that cannot be known. Therefore, any claimed knowledge of the absolute is another illusion.

@Breakingthewall The sense of aliveness of being exists whether it’s conceptualised or not. That’s obvious to anyone with a brain. So there’s Observing here right now observing appearance and disappearance, the coming and going of the things observed. The observed is known only as things are conceived in their conception, the appearance of a thing observed is known as real because it’s here in observation, then there’s also an observing the disappearance of a thing known as real to flip to unreal as it disappears. Observation informs firstly there was a real as it appeared, but then as the real disappeared the real no longer existed as real because it’s not here anymore, so what was once observed as real has flipped to unreal, in this conception. And so the word “illusory” comes to mind, insofar as “things” observed as real can also be observed as not being real. In other words, “things” are not what they seem, nor are they otherwise. Thus is the illusory nature of concepts. I know you don’t like the word “ Illusion” … but the word is all inclusive here, it’s appearing as a real word, like every other word. The word illusion is real as it is conceptually known, all concepts are fixed as known. An apple is not an orange. A banana is not a grape, concepts are fixed. Fixed concepts are real. They are known, and that which is known, knows nothing. And yet all of these concepts are irrelevant to reality, because they are not needed for aliveness being to be. We humans are simply story telling animals appearing and disappearing infinitely for eternity along with all the rest of the life forms. In this conception.

Okay, you’re right, the image contains 3 pack man, 3 v’s and two triangles as shapes formed by a perception of these shapes. Where is the perceiver? Something is obviously perceiving shape. Shape is known to appear as they are imaged because something is defining them as such. So if these shapes exist as known, where is the shape maker that knows shape, to whom are shapes known?

Is Leo referring to Spinoza’s God? Or Leo’s God?

Who’s aware of the idea? If you say I’m aware, the I who was born and will die. The I that appears and disappears, never to reappear ever again. Then that which seems to appear and disappear, is an illusory real. Illusory doesn’t mean that you never happened at all, because illusions can never not happen.

Difference is irrelevant. Appearing real is an interpretation. What is really is unless it’s interpreted as such? Was yesterday real, maybe yesterday was real, but where is the realness of yesterday today? The reality of our experience is fluid. We can all experience real reality, there are just a lot of different ways of interpreting it.

To move, an object must travel into empty space. Since empty space does not exist, motion is impossible.

One exist because of other as one is rooted in the other.

For something to come into being, it would have to originate from non-being. No-being can come from No-being and being cannot come from already-existing being since it already is.

A sunset is natural artistry , it can be known as observed just for it’s natural unowned, beauty. The sunset never asks to be admired or says here is my beauty, look at my beauty. The beauty is simply there naturally to be enjoyed beneath the surface of what the mind thinks changing its natural pure essence. Every form is a natural piece of art, artist unknown, yet known in it’s image, but never seen.

Creator doesn’t need creation / creation need creator. If all is one then illusion is truth and the illusion of multiplicity is truth thus resulting in the reality of multiplicity.