Mellowmarsh

@Breakingthewall I’m still in the mind set of wanting to say nothing is being everything though, I don’t think I can think about reality any other way tbh. For example: I always want to say things like nothing is real, and nothing is unreal and nothing is a separate self, or an ego, or nothing is relative or absolute, or nothing is everything. I can’t change my mind about that because it seems an all inclusive way of describing reality using words and language. If I don’t include the word nothing then the opposite of nothing would be a meaningless concept.

I totally understand what you’re saying now. I see it from your pov as well. And sorry for saying all I hear from you is blah blah blah, that’s just my bad, it was rude, I know that. You’re actually quite clued up to be honest, I’m starting to see what you are getting at now. Best.

Okay, if that’s how you see it. I understand how you see it, but I would assume the relationship to be illusion, albeit seemingly real.

Exactly, no one who is seeking the truth, or who thinks they’ve found it, can then tell another person about their discovery, because as seekers we’re all doing the same thing, anyway. Basically it’s pointless trying to tell others what they already know, or have figured out for themselves. In my opinion, everyone’s truth claim has come from the exact same source, namely, the source that you and every other you already is. So it’s all just a pointless exercise believing we can persuade others to ditch their own truth claim in favour of someone else’s and vice versa. When it’s obvious that we’re all just here garnering our own truths from the same exact source, namely from ourselves, I mean where else is our truth claims going to come from except from ourself. This is the madness of forums such as this. It’s pointless trying to believe we are here to be discussing these subjects with the sole agenda of trying to win other people over to our side of the truth whereby they ditch their own in favour of another truth that’s not even theirs…point is, they’re all ideas that are going to be different that’s all, even as they are seemingly just trying to describe the same truth. That’s the unavoidable paradox. So that’s the madness of different ideas all trying to be heard by others. Already knowing that others just hear what they want to hear, full stop. The unavoidable thing about truth claiming is that they’re all going to appear different that’s all. Even though intuition knows it’s all the (same difference) but the mind doesn’t want to hear that, it sounds too confusing and convoluted to a mind that is searching for mutual collective agreement on what constitutes a truth we can all agree upon. . Problem with this is that it never works out like that, it’s not that simple, and that’s why we have to remain silent in our own truth. But no one wants to remain silent, people want to talk about their truth claims to others, and that’s when all the differences start to get so entangled that all that’s left is one humongous platter of pointless jumbled up nonsensical word salad embedded upon a mass of spaghetti, and then it’s like we set ourselves up for the pointless job of trying to disentangle the set up entanglement until we are satisfied and have been able to convince everyone else that we have understood each other and have arrived at a mutual agreement, about a subject we already understand….anyway, that’s why it’s all just a crazy ego driven nonsense fest, all because we can’t just stay silent in our own truth, it’s a truth that is everyone’s birthright, and not just a special luxury for the entitled privileged chosen ones, which is often sometimes believed by the philosophical or spiritual communities. What arrogance, people thinking they know what’s better for someone else. The only real teacher here is life itself, not some other person trying to micromanage or manipulate other people’s minds.

@Hojo I like the way you think about these things. 👍

It seems like you’re talking about an absolute being that’s already what you are absolutely. But then you seem to add that for absolute being to know it’s absolute being, there needs to be this relative human conceptual frame that appears within what is already absolute being that can then open itself up to the absolute being that it already is. And it’s this rather weird way of framing absolute being that you are using that I’m finding difficult to understand in many of your posts on this subject, it just comes across as being contradictory, even as you are stating there’s a complete absence of contradiction within the way you describe this. When you say it’s not necessary to define anything as a dream or unreal or empty, isn’t that just all inclusive of absolute being anyway, whether there’s definitions or not, nothing is going to change the fact that absolute being is all there ever is was and ever will be anyway, so I don’t understand why you seem to feel the need to correct all the different descriptive dialogs that arise when discussing this subject of absolute being.

That’s funny, I thought my response to your comment was simple. But if there’s a much simpler than simple then so be it.

That’s why the absolute is likened to a dream. No character within the dream is aware of the dream, or even aware of itself as existing as a dream character. Even when communicating with other characters within the dream there’s no awareness or understanding of what each of the characters are trying to say to each other.

What changed in your life after realising that you don’t believe you are God, and not believing in solipsism, and believing others have experience of their own?

So why does that knowledge break your heart?

If it’s any consolation, I personally am in absolute awe of living in a fantasy world. I’m buzzing about it. I observe every thing come into my life only to disappear forever eventually, and I’m fully aware that there’s absolutely nothing I can do about that, and that’s why it doesn’t break my heart, it simply makes me be in awe that I am aware that I even got to experience this fantasy in the first place.

Ultimately, there’s only your truth, that feels right for you, right? Ultimately, there are as many truths as there are You’s. So now you have found what you’ve been searching for, what else is there to know? It’s not like your truth is going to change or be any different. If your truth ever changes, then is your truth ever true?

The knower is the known that knows nothing because it’s one knowing. That’s a strange paradox that’s either understood or it’s not, and nothing will have changed.

In the dream anything can happen, including things that can’t happen. In the dream, a human can’t fly like a bird can, and birds can’t build aeroplanes like a human can.

Every One is alone in their own aloneness. Every One is their own unique never to be repeated universe, that can never be violated by another.