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@Something Funny I agree that the vast majority of people already value animal life over plant life instinctively. I always use the example that if faced with saving an animal or houseplant from a burning building, there would be no question for most people (unless it was an insect or something like that). Those types of situations are easy though because they don’t involve having to give up anything. People will readily agree that suffering is bad and should be minimized. When the prospects of pleasure, comfort and convenience come in, all of a sudden animal suffering and abuse is more ‘complicated’. That’s when you start to see all sorts of excuses and mental gymnastics like plants could feel pain or crop deaths. So yes people recognize animal suffering as bad when they do not benefit from it but pleasure and self-interest are often much more powerful drivers of choice. It’s hard to overstate how much pleasure some people get from a cheeseburger lol

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