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I meditated on it today, the loops that infinity creates (or rather that I create). So I considered everyday objects and I applied the "going back" process. I looked at a tree and thought, where did that tree come from, a seed, where did that seed come from, a tree, where did that seed come from, a tree. A loop. I looped that back to the first seed that must have came out many millions or billions of years ago. Where did that seed come from? A combination of atoms that made that see have the property it had. Where did those atoms come from? They say it came from an expansion of the universe called the big bang. Where did that came from. It came from space. Where did space come from. Space. Where did time come from to allow for that space. I dont know. Even if we did know, what possible awnser could their be that wouldnt form a loop. I remember leo said science is just a framework , I think in his anti-rationalism video. What is a science a framework within, just more loops? I did a similar thing with the ground, I thought what I was standing, dirt, what that was standing on, stone, what that was standing on, bedrock, what that was standing on, mantle, what that was standing on, the core, what the core was standing on, itself, what was standing on itself? The mantle, what was the mantle standing on, bedrock, what was bedrock standing on, stone, what was stone standing on, dirt. What was dirt standing on, space, what was space standing on, more space, what was more space standing on, more space, what was more and more and more space standing on? Perhaps gravity from other objects had some effect on that you could possibly say it was standing on that. But what after that? It only standing on either more space, or objects, what else it there to stand on other than space and objects? Nothing. I also consider a childs math equation such as if I have 6 apples in a basket, and at take away 6 apples, what am I left with. 0. Is 0 = to nothing. Then the questions occured to me, not the , "can something come from nothing question" but can "nothing come from more nothing" The nothing, is not nothing, it is something, its even in the equation I thought 6-6=0 Its equal to 0, there is something there, do you see it ====> Look at the shape of the number zero. 0 This would like an empty basket, which it would be, there is no apples in the basket, but, the very concept of nothing, is not nothing. Can nothing can be nothing. Everything can be Everything. Another loop when I was doing self inquiry, I asked my self who am I, then I asked myself who was the "I" asking who was I.Then I asked myself who the "I" asking the "I" asking who was "I" , and this continued in a loops, getting bigger, and bigger, until it was too much for mind to keep up with. So then I decided to turn to my awareness, I simply observed everything as it was happen without thought or a commentary the best I could for some time. My awareness had no awnswers, there was only silence. Is the silence than an awnser it self. In the lingustic form, what is the closest one can describe absolute infinity, is it this. (See inbetween the arrows below, and pretend the arrows are invisible) ========> <======== What is inbetween the arrows is therefore no loops can be created by it, it is not making a statement about infinity, it is purely blank, not even blank, not even white, pretend nothing is even there, not even the white, not even any colour, not even anything that can be seen, smelled, touched or heard, or tasted or picked up by the sense or rationalized by thought or make emotion stir. What does then awareness tell me. It tells me nothing, every time I sit down to meditate, I get nothing, no message. All there is what was now, and now is then gone, and the now is then gone, and now is then gone. Consider the present moment, its gone, it doesnt exist, gone, gone , gone, gone, everything a shadow of the past. There is nothing. Is the truth simply to stop looking for the truth, is that the truth itself? Everything is infinite, there is a loop on everything, perhaps even awareness working in loops. Consider everytime I sit down to meditate. Nothing, Nothing come after nothing coming after nothing. Nothing coming in an infinite loops. Nothing coming from Nothing, Infinitely. Its all infinite. How can the truth be experianced if its absolutely infinite???????? Loops, Loops, upon loops. Truth can only be found in what is finite. How can you find truth in what is infinite. Absolutely infinite. This is why Absolute Infinity is so fascinating. You just cant. Loops, Loops, More Loops.

If it cannot be understood, in which some lingustic ability is needed to understand certain concepts and objects and actions occuring in space and time and their value and meaning. In which applying said lingustic ability cannot be applied. What can only be applied, as a human other than rationalization using languages as the utility for the rationalization. Is awareness, observation and experiancing with no thoughts, sybolism or rationalization (as that will only lead to loops). So the, truth then, is unknown to all of us? Forever. How can one know something that cannot be rationalized at all using our language abilitys. So the truth can never be known, it can only be "felt"? I would be deeply interesting a video on absolute infininty.

Ah, but that very statement causes a loop. Because it is absolute infinity, you can talk about it. Because that is in the realm of the infinite. But wait. Ive just created another loop......

Secondary School (or high school as you call it in America) is not helping me become the best version of myself. It is the opposite, it is bland, so dry, systematic, exam-centered and shallow. You must sit in class to much instruction thats only concern is to pass exams. My main purpose for writinf this thread is to find out whether I am allowed to drop out at 16. In Ireland,the minimum age to drop-out age is 16. However, from reading through some legistlation I did not not find anywhere where it said was my choice. I want to drop out school so I may learn what I MUST learn, and I have to learn to become fulfilled , to pursue to the death,my life purpose and generate an income directly from the purpose also. In my head, almost everyday, the word "revolution,revolution" appears in my mind. School is in conflict with my life purpose. It boils my blood when I am sitting at home assessing the nutritional value of a pot noodle for a homework assignment, when I would be doing activities such as Meditation, Exercise, Reading.(Non-Fiction) I should be studying (Karl)Marx. Not studying for School marks. I want my education to be entirely in my hands, but instead the state says "No, you must sit in a cell and fill your head with mostly un-practical Trivia you arent going to use" . In-efficent at educating, effective at teaching obedience to the state (for the most part). I can admire Leos advice video for highschool students where it is a sort of "Manipulate the corrupt system so you can actually BENEFIT from it" Such as the benefit of having a strong work ethic. However, in doing this, involves manipulating/brainwashing yourself into studying things that are un-practical to what you want to do, by tricking yourself by making everything seem so fascinating. Which they are, history, is fascinating. But school makes ir boring, ludicrous and stupid. It is like If I was a prisoner in prisoner of war camp and the food consists of a daily portion of stale bread and watery saline-water soup. Leo wants me to really to develop a love for this stale bread and watery saline-water soup by tricking myself to love the flavours and see how great the nutritional value is. Which, if one is to be sentened to life in this camp, this technique is not a bad idea. Outside of the prison however, I can enjoy freshly baked bread and homemade soup, it is much easier to enjoy this soup AND there is substaincially more nutrition then the prison slop. Likewise with school, the stale bread and watery saline-soup represents the teaching of a "subject"(lets say for example history) via modern schooling. The fresh bread and homemade soup represent the teaching of exactly the same subject (history for this example) via oneself. Here is a quote from Don Juan sums up the point Im making well. "All paths are the same:they lead nowhere. However, a path without a heart is never enjoyable. On the other hand, a path with heart is easy - It does not make a warrior work at liking it; it makes for a joyful journey; as long as a man follows it,he is one with it." Another quote "Power rests on the kind of knowledge that one holds. What is the sense of knowing things that are useless? They will not prepare us for our unavoidable encounter with the unknown" Make no Mistake, I highly value learning. I want and I MUST learn more and more, and I am doing what I can to set a solid foundation by Reading(Self-Help and NonFiction, history books etc),Meditating , Taking Cold showers and exercising. The foundation that school is setting for me and millions of students alike is a floridian swamp land. (Note:When I refer to Marx, I am refering to that of studying Political Theory in general. I used Marx because it rhymes with school marks )

I see. This is a fair enough reason to stay in school. So I can half-ass school right? As long as I pass? I am assuming so because you said earlier. In which case, I will not drop out of school. However I will conduct myself with a "work to rule" policy through my next 2 years attendance of it because I must learn other stuff that is relevant to my life purpose. I want to spend as little as time possible on school-related tom foolery. Thank you to all. I have received some very good advice here.

So if I am not staying in school to get a diploma or college degree. Why would I choose to spend 2 years of imposed "learning" when I can learn a lot more , at home, in the library, in books, in doing ,practice and action myself? What is there in the experience of schooling is there to learn which I cannot do myself? What we are learning now how far can past the utilitarian every-day use like most of the stuff learning in elementary school and some of the stuff in the early years of high-school. Now what most of what we are doing is learning information off for the sake of passing an examination. How am I kidding myself by quitting high-school? I am not looking for an easy route and I do not think ceasing to attend a government route is a particularly easy route either. Leo, you have said it yourself. Focus on mastering life and business, not jumping through the governments hoops like a well trained poodle. Now you want me to jump through their hoops. Like a well trained poodle? You also said that degrees and diplomas in effect do not really matter at all in real adult life. It what results you can generate. If I try hard enough , and with right theory. How is ceasing to attending the government imposed "education" going to stop me from generating results. I don't think so. And surely Dan Aranatu, I can learn these tangible skills myself. Actually, what tangible skills does school teach me that I cannot teach me myself? I can discipline my self if need be. What tangible skills must I learn. I must learn them. Oratory? Accounting? Money Management? What must I learn?

Dantas, I do appreciate your advice but I am not getting some of your points.... Why would I want everything to go slower? Why is it good to take things slower? (The means of which things are being slowed down is is by modern schooling) How will I reach twenty with a much stronger foundations from modern schooling than doing my own education and self help work in 4 years. This doesnt add up. Thats 4 years of Self Devlopment Work compared to like 2 years devlopment work. I dont at all exspect to be a political gura from 4 years of study out of school, far from it. I am life long student. When was it inherent that dropping out of school was the easy way? I imagine discpilining oneself to do 1-2 hours of meditation daily is easy is it? Or how about searching through many many texts to find an important political theory insight? Let us consider difficulty in the field of personal devlopment too. Does experiancing difficulty equal growth? One might fall into the trap into thinking that Experiancing Difficulty = Growth, when it does not, it is false growth.(If that is true, I am not sure) Surely, pursuing ones life purpose, in it self, the purpose itsel generates difficulty for ther person trying to live up to the purpose to deal with and surpass.

How could I get "left behind" if I drop out. I dont intend at all to be a couch potato playing video games for 2 years . Quite the opposite, I intend to spend hours in libraries reading all sorts of non-fiction, historys, biographies, self-help,political theory, philosophy. Everything I need to know, as you said to know "the system inside out" and also engaging in all sorts of personal devlopment work. How will school benefit me over 2 years of learning what I must learn to "know the system inside out" and more? What use will be a college degree to me? I dont what to be in the field of Science, Technology,Engineeering, or Medicine, so what use is a degree to me with my particular life purpose? I have been told a "degree" is not going to stop me from what I want to do, so why should I spent jumping through hoops to get a political science degree certification from Y institution when I can learn anything I want about political science without getting that degree in the first place.

Im not convinced. The Marx reference was for the rhyme effect with the word "marks" more then anything else. I have not read deep into any of his publications either. Why should I get a phd for social sciences? Why do need a certificate from an institution to say X has accomplished Y and now hold Z in social sciences. When in-fact, all the information is available on the web and in books. When I talk about my life purpose, the "I" in "I want to highly reduce government corruption" is, or I would like, to de-emphasise it. It is not about me, its about the purpose, if someone else before me manages to accomplish that life purpose, thats amazing! I am also, not working towards it alone, I am going to get and have gotten people on board. (I am in contact with Revolutionary_Thinking from this forum and we have had discussions regarding modern education and revolution etc)

Leo himself and others replyed to me in a previous thread regarding how to make 100k a year without a college degree. The main feedback I got from that thread was too directly allign how I generate money with my life purpose. I have got time to waste? My life could end at any moment, or shortened substaincially, and even I am to live to the ripe old of age of 100 , that time will come so soon, as I near that age my body and mind will start to decay, and then I will be gone, and you will be gone. And the oppertunity to exist may not return again. What I do know, Is that I dont know. And with that knowledge, how can one squander his life in any such way by thinking "I have time to waste". At this young age, enough time is already wasted on "jerking to the strings of selfish impulse" as Marcus would put it and spending time to rid of bad habits.

Here is how I see it. I have a choice, a choice to spend 2 years of my life preparing for a test. This tests gets me points. With these points I can get a "college degree". A College degree "raises" your employment prospects , certain degrees are more in demand then others, especially STEM subjects (Anything in the field of Science, Technology, Engineering and Medicine). The degree ALONE will not get you a job, often A LOT of other work also needs to be put in to get a job with a company. (Some companies do not even require you to have a degree and are more interested in what results you can generate and less about you sat in college for 4 years and passed the exams). Then if I end I get a job , it is almost guaranteed , to be absolutely nothing to with my life purpose. Or I could spend those 2 years of my life actually LEARNING practical stuff (theory, that if applied correctly, generates results). I am not looking to be "employed". What my life-purposes entails makes the only use of degrees is for attaining knowledge to do relating my life purpose, and why would I take a college degree for that purpose when I could learn more more effectively or equally as effectively myself? I do not like mentioning my life purpose because is sound egotistically ambitious, and perhaps foolish because of how a gargantuan of a task it is.(But then, so is gargantuan the desire for paradise from mankind) I want to Highly Reduce Government corruption (especially in 1st world countries where the corruption is not totalitarian like in North Korea, but more subtle such as in the banking sector and conduct/methods of governing the country) and create a better society, to create as close as you can get to a Utopian society. To make the best society possible that actually works and that is not some sort of "fantasy", where in for example, Robots do all the Work and everyone is on vacation 24/7

Become a Shepard. I am sure that in some poor country there is one needed somewhere. I would assume it is a lot of time looking after sheep, staring into fields and rolling hills.

playfulness I do not quite remember this quote from Don Juan, but I will paraphrase it. "A warrior knows that all paths lead to nowhere, but the path that has a heart to it does not make the warrior work at liking it" Do not take anything too seriously, I think Leo had an insight on this.

You life diminishes day by day. Recognize this. What do you really want? What do you want to contribute? It is only a matter of time you will have to face the infinite Unknown of Death.

Revolution is the Solution. It is only a matter of time before the people rise up against the powers that have been manipulating them, (If there have been powers manipulating them). The history books wont just end.

So I should set up some form of business relating heavily with my life purpose? Doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. I will have to figure out how. Thank you all. All good advice here.

Some good quotes here from Naruto

I would start first with attending to the basic needs at the bottom of the self actualized.org triangle. Simple things like food, water, exercise, excreting. You may think you are getting enough water, but are you really? Its not just about getting enough water to survive, you already do that, its about getting enough water to thrive. Same with food, but more so with the quality of your food rather then the quantity. (I am assuming you have access to fairly high quality water). Exercise is also important for not feeling lethargic and low energy. Let us consider Oxygen too, are you really getting enough oxygen? Not just to survive, but to thrive. Check out the Wim Hof Method. The Wim Hof method combined with exercise, good water, and good nutrition will improve your life. Regarding Leos videos, do not feel compelled to have to watch all of them, watch them as you need them or, interested in watching one.

I do not care about grades in school. Its such a silly game. The whole thing with exams is it is like a mouse disguised as a bear. The results do not effect your life unless you let them. I focus on learning what I want to learn and I learn things that will be some use to me. Fuck giving your best shot to school, give your best shot to your own interests and things to do with your life purpose. I am going to take a quote directly from my meditations. "What has the state done to deserve my best? After all, they aren't trying their best on me to make me successful in my financial persuits. No, they are trying their best to make me a robot they are producing these robots in their billions off a production line. There purpose? To serve and obey the state until the day comes where we become unfit and die and cannot serve and obey the government machine no more. Born to be wasted , by the state, and for the state. I am not a machine or robot. There are those among us who are cyborgs, that is, outwardly obedient, but inwardly rebellious. It is only a matter of time before our inner selves will allow use to become outwardly rebellions. When the opportunity presents itself" Educate your self, be a glitch in a system, be a cog that does not fit in the government machine, not a slave to the methods of the state. Put your best efforts elsewhere, your life balance diminishes day by day. It would be a pity to waste your best efforts in serving the state.

I find this cinematic surprisingly portrays the path(well at least some of the path) of those trying to self-actualizing quite well. I will let you guys figure out the meaning. *Hint* Going Hollow = Attaining a state of near permanent or permanent of verylow-low consciousness

I see, so I should do it Stoic-Style then. Hm. I must contemplate whats stopping me from pursuing my life purpose tomorrow. I have been receiving/received some great advice here. Thank you.

I suppose,my difficulty I may have with doing that(making money directly from life purpose) is that how one would go about about doing it is a lot more vague then say, investing in real estate and trading stocks. And Vagueness is like my number 2 enemy in the realm of self help. (Number 1 would be my ego.) The extra work invovled in clearing the vague fog will be worh it, so you and Leo were right. I just neeed to make the tires hit the tracks and hope I can steer it the right way through the fog.

The whole point of making the money in the first place isto be able to accomplish my life purpose. How am I supposed to change the face of the earth on a dead end job salary? I dont see how exactly making money directly via my life purpose would work. (I suppose I would have to make my own political party and get donations or member fee contributions?) How am I misguided? Should I pursue to make money that is directly in line with my purpose? That seems alot more vague and difficult to do then simply taking up penny stock trading and start making good profits off it after 1-2 years of study on it.

My Music Career? I did not even mention music. I want to become a political revolutionaty, a rule, a visionary. I want to make a change. I MUST make a change to society. I never said anything about music. I am skeptical about Tai Lopez, hasnt he been exposed regarding his rags to riches approaches where he pretty much did a hustle that paid off big time? The lifestyle I want to have is un important , as long as I am healthy, thats fine. The whole reason I need the money is to be able to be more finacially flexible politcally. To be able to fund what I need to fund for the revolution and the mass enlightment/awakening of the people.

I am considering pennystock trading, its basically the trading of stocks worth 5$ or under. Apparenrtly according to TimSykes who apparently made 5 million or something from his Barmitsvah money (12,000) in 5 years. He seems legit, he preaches hard work and studying, he has his own website where you can sign up to take his millionare challenge where he challenges you to make a million dollars using his methods. All his tutorials and teaching videos are free and they are quite in-depth. If you sign up for the challenge you get access tp his free live webinars he gives twice a week. I also think you get access to some more free videos. Signing up is free. And all his trades a publically displayed on his website. He also apparently has a few millionare students who have become millionares. At first , it seem like a scam, but Im pretty convinced this guy is not full of shit for the most part. I signed up for the millionare challenge and it appears I need at least 2000 to start trading, so I could do it. My funds as 15 year old from selling 230gram bags of wine gums only go so far. Other than that, I might get into that. I would exspect however what I can do with 200 euro on the market however would be very limted. I also would have to get my parents permission. The Making of the Money doesnt have to be meaningful, the money is just to fund my political and revolution persuits. Thank you for the advice Dan. Is there anything else I should know? What aspects of business/economy that can studied are the most practical in actually giving the necessaryinstruction/theory for generating results(money). I am going to purchase Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith at some point to read.