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I don't have time to approach thousands of women. For most girls I'm a 7, so I go for 6's so a lot of women take that offer because it is a good deal for them. With social proof I can get 8's. 9's and 10's don't have low standards from my experience. They already have an abbundance of options so they either have to be drunk or you need to have good game/manipulation skills. Like if you can trigger her daddy problems or something you are set.

The only thing I disagree with Owen is that he discounts too much that looks don't mater. If a girl likes your looks you get a huge discount. And if you don't have the looks she is expecting you have to make up with frame and emotional spiking (manipulation). Mind you that Owen is not the best looking guy so he has to make up in different ways. If he didn't have game he would be dating 4's and 5's but with game he is dating like 8's from what I have seen.

Nerdy girls are the best. Innocence and repressed sexuality. Pffff.

lol you were andrew tate before it was a thing

What a coincidence. That latest video that just got released is just about that topic. I posted it above your post.

@integral I didn't know you were a fellow boxer

Summary: "Average Men Can Date Baddies By Simply Doing THIS..." The Core Thesis: Looks and Money Are Secondary The speaker argues that the two biggest delusions most men carry are that they could win a fight (despite zero training) and that they know how to attract women (despite never having done a cold approach). Most men met their last girlfriend passively — through work or social circles — and mistake that for dating competence. The speaker's central claim is that internal state, not external traits like appearance or wealth, is the primary driver of attraction. He backs this up by sharing that he successfully dated women while literally in a wheelchair after a severe ski accident, which he presents as definitive proof that looks and physical status are not prerequisites. "Being in State": The Foundation of Attraction The most important concept in the video is what the speaker calls being "in state" — essentially a flow state where you feel confident, relaxed, self-amused, and completely comfortable in your own skin. When you're in state, whatever you're feeling gets transmitted to the woman through mirror neurons. She can sense that you don't need validation, approval, or anything from her. You become a "value giver" rather than a "value leech." The speaker uses vivid analogies: you become like the sun (plants move toward it, but it wants nothing), like great music (people gravitate toward it naturally), or like a great meal (it offers itself without demanding anything). The key insight is that most men who aren't conventionally attractive or wealthy feel out of state precisely because they believe they don't measure up — and it's that insecurity women are actually rejecting, not the man's appearance. The man then falsely concludes "I'm not good-looking enough," when the real issue was his internal state. He references Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now as a good resource for cultivating the kind of radical presence that underlies this state, alongside the Bhagavad Gita and the Tao Te Ching. The Warm-Up Process: Getting Into Flow Even the speaker himself admits that after a draining workday, his first hour of social interaction tends to be too logical, over-analytical, and stuck in the head. He explicitly does not drink alcohol or use any substances as a shortcut into state. Instead, he advocates simply persisting through the awkward phase — keep talking to people, and eventually you'll hit your rhythm. He compares this to a basketball player shooting their way into a hot streak, with the added advantage that unlike basketball, there's no game clock — you have unlimited "shots." By the third or fourth hour (which is when the night actually matters, since that's when people are deciding where to go), you're "on fire." This is true regardless of looks, wealth, or physical condition. What the Interaction Actually Looks Like Once you're in flow, the interaction unfolds through several phases: Phase 1 — Vibing, not lecturing. You match the social context. She's done with work; she wants to have fun. Talking about heavy or logical topics to a stranger is a mismatch. The speaker compares this to clickbait — when someone has zero investment in you yet, you need a hook, and that hook is making her feel good and smile. Phase 2 — Social proof and competition. While talking to one girl, you casually engage others who walk by. This creates preselection — she perceives you as the highest-status, most socially confident person in the venue. Even if you're not conventionally attractive, being the most charismatic and socially dominant person in the room trumps looks. The speaker describes watching women's "gears grinding" as they rationalize being attracted to someone outside their usual type. Phase 3 — Screening and "shit tests." Both parties test each other through playful push-pull dynamics. You might teasingly challenge her ("Are you a vibe or are you stuck up?"), and she'll test you back ("You're such an asshole"). The critical mistake is failing her test by becoming defensive or approval-seeking — e.g., saying "No, I'm really a nice guy." The correct response maintains your frame and flips it with humor. Phase 4 — Tension maintenance. The speaker warns against making out too early, comparing it to a cat chasing a laser pointer — once the cat catches it, it loses interest. Premature validation (like an eager make-out) can kill the tension. You want her to remain slightly uncertain about whether she fully "has" you. Phase 5 — The invite. You move her through small adventures — across the venue, introduce her to friends, suggest a bite to eat or an afterparty. Each step she takes with you deepens her investment. The key is to stay non-needy throughout. The Psychological Danger Zones for Beginners The speaker maps out a brutally honest learning curve. At first, you'll fail within seconds of starting a conversation. Then you'll get five minutes in before blowing it. Eventually you'll hold a great interaction for an hour but collapse near the finish line out of nervousness and desperation — like a surfer who always bails right before the shore. When you finally have your first success, the danger is that you'll beg her to be your girlfriend because you never want to face the fear of approaching again. She'll initially agree (because she likes you), but will quickly dump you because your desperation is transparent. This sends you into a depression spiral — but it's a necessary part of the process. The Deeper Identity Shift The speaker emphasizes that this can't remain a tactic — it must become a genuine identity-level transformation. The philosophical framework he advocates is a paradox: maintain high intention (go out, talk to people, take action) combined with freedom from outcome (don't need anything specific to happen). He connects this to the spiritual principle of "let go and let God" — genuinely learning to enjoy the process of connecting with people for its own sake. He invokes the Reticular Activation System (RAS) — the brain's selective focus mechanism — to explain why this works: when you genuinely hold the frame that you are the person of value, the selector, the better vibe, the woman's brain will filter out what she doesn't find ideal about you and place a halo effect on what she does like. Broader Life Applications The speaker closes by arguing these are fundamentally social skills with wide applicability. People who develop this kind of social mastery often become excellent public speakers, salespeople, and content creators. He frames it as a lifelong skill that every young person should begin developing as early as possible — and positions the entire process as ultimately being about overcoming your own limiting beliefs, not about manipulating others.

I was joking too 🤣 but what I'm trying to say is that it is easy to judge a person, I rather try to understand him. Owen eats 5 star meat everyday. For him to go to a normal meal is very difficult. If I was him I would do the same. He has seen too much. And almost no girl is worth that sacrifice nowadays.

Some women can be snakes. In fact I could say that most women are focused on survival, and a lead by their emotions and they will go beyond human decency to get theirs. Just look what happens in an average divorce. It is vicious. This forum lives in a bubble with their heads in the clouds (cloud 9). Most of the women that Owen dates wouldn't touch most of the guys with a pole but even if they gave these spiritual guys a chance, those women would rip those spiritual guys a new one. lmao. Owen Cook's advice is for the regular guy that falls in love with the regular woman.

What you guys don't get is that Owen Cook fishes in a different pool than you guys lol

Behind that soft spoken voice, there is a female version of Tate🤣

Wtf, at this point, it is better to wait for AI to take over the gaming industry so we don´t have to deal with human folly. https://www.ign.com/articles/gta-6-is-delayed-again-until-november-2026

Wooosshhh

Conflict is not necessary bad. Most of the tech we use today is thanks to the military. And we wouldn´t have the economic prosperity without war. It is an interesting take. I would also add that war is executing Darwin´s law at mass. Because usually the dumb people die first in a war and lesser civilizations make room for better ones. If one hand of God is benevolent, another hand is a destroyer so it make room for the new.

When you are a doctor you have to keep holding the frame of being a doctor. Same counts for any profession. Is holding frame difficult? Yes it is but that is your job. As a girl you are allowed not to hold frame and just "tuck it in" but as a guy you aren't allowed to tuck it in aka act like a girl. Especially in the beginning of a relationship and if a girl is very high value with a lot of options, even later you are not allowed to tuck it in. By the way, holding frame is not difficult, and it is allowed to drop the frame, it is more about how quickly you can recover from it. I did extended research on frame control and I tested out my research in the field. So holding frame is very diffrent for a man versus a women.

Frame is another word for confidence which is another word is that you are rooted in reality, and not easily shaken by reality. So what Owen is saying you shouldn't be a loser. Because if you are with a valuable girl most likely she will leave you after you get broke and she has options.And that is what happening to a lot of guys after they lose their job, or some other disaster. But the thing is that I have friends with no jobs and they can still get girls so it is not about holding jobs or not taking L's but about regardless keeping frame. That is why it is the master key.

There is no unified group called 9's and 10's with fixed attributes like high maintaince and such. Some hot girls I know are very low maintaince. It is also when you catch them. When they are in their prime like 16-21 they are on hypergamy on the max. But after a while they get worn out by 24 or something and you have a good chance of landing them. I dated one 10 while I"m not a Don Jon myself. It was because I caught her at the right time and we had a connection. On general I agree with Owen. Frame is the master key. And even after you are married you need to keep frame in the same way you need to go to the gym. Women are very sensitive to frame. I did a lot of research and experimentation on this. They can basically read your mind. But you need a strong mind to pull it off. For example just for shits and giggles I had the frame that I was better than any girl at this venue and I didn't need to say anytihng. Women would just pick it up. Some would be insulted without me opening my mouth. While others would like it. I'm not saying you should hold that frame but I'm just saying how powerful frame is because all is mind. I'm kind of surprised a forum like this doesn't get this.

war is extension of diplomacy

Hahaha love

Because most people think like you most marriages fail or are horrible to be in. Most people stay together for the kids or finances. Otherwise divorce rate would be like 80%.

What is your longest relationship? I think short term relationships don’t need that much frame control because of hormones but in long term relationships frame is the only thing that holds the relationship. Either that or she must be depended on finances or something.

If you would put spiritual people on an island without non spiritual people, you would get a slaughter house is no time. Almost all spiritual people have suppressed parts that would come out. I look very lowly towards the average spiritual person.

One doesn’t need to be poor to be spiritual. It is all about the mindset of abundance. And that abundance flows out to his friends and girlfriends. Being a bum doesn’t make one spiritual. I rather hang out with rich people than poor. Poor people are stingy and have a heavy vibe.

If I have to go to hell and back to get a above average girl, I wouldn't settle down. I would be like Owen Cook playing the field. Dating is value for value. And men are allowed to set standards too. If Owen doesn't want to settle down that is his privilege.

Another awakening. There is no difference between your hand and some punani