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DiCaprio could do all of those things and then some and still get away.

@Xonas Pitfall I won’t answer that question because it is too sensitive for this forum. Only thing I want to say is that most people in this thread are confused about value. Value is in the eye of the beholder and it is relative but that doesn’t mean there is no patterns of the female gaze. You don’t have to be top tier guy to get the female gaze. Only thing you need is a good “flavor” aka a good combination of attractive traits. The best ice scream is not with the most chocolate but with the right balance of flavors with fruit, and other ingredients. It is an art form to become such a balanced guy. But when you become it as a guy you are the prize. One doesn’t need to become part of this 20% of men like some people share. It creates a halo effect. It is all about frame control or what women say “how he makes me feel” because she never looks further than her own emotions.

The topic of this discussion intersects with the topic of women’s hypergamy. Women are biologically wired for hypergamy seeking the best man they can get. That alone kind of says it all. They’re looking up, not sideways or down. So by default, the man women are chasing is the one who holds the value. If you’re on your path, grounded, emotionally stable, with purpose, and options, you are the prize. Problem is, most guys don’t see themselves that way. They pedestalize women just for being attractive or giving them attention. But when you flip that mindset and actually start valuing yourself your time, energy, attention it changes everything. You stop chasing, and women start chasing you. It’s not about arrogance or being dismissive. It’s about being centered in your own worth. The guy who knows who he is, isn’t desperate, and has a vision for his life that’s the one women compete for. And that’s the prize. Guys who got it are basically the female version of what a prime chick is. He is being chased. Sexual opportunities are thrown in his face and he can basically run a train on the collective womanhood as he should as the king he is, and not settle for less!!!!! Because the opposite of what is now the case when girls run a train is not working on a collective level. It is time that men don’t settle for less. But collective manhood will need to suffer a lot more to get to that realization. Most guys are too desperate for pussy and don’t have any honor.

I think one can be the leader and the prize at the same time. Who says it can’t be? I don’t see such a rule. In fact I see an abundance of examples of being a leader and being the prize. The truth is that masculine women see themselves as the prize and they want to lead. So they want a wuss of a guy who will fit that role. Usually these guys are below her tier who will accept such a place. These women are usually not happy.

It was sarcastic with a tinge of truth. If I had to choose between a boring 9-5 existence and hanging out with AI all day I would know what I would do. Most people’s work is not creative. I think humans need to find their niche amongst AI or die trying. There is no option anyway.

@Schizophonia you are some strange cat 🐱 no phun intended 😂

There is a nuclear war and you are only allowed to take 1 book with you into your bunker. If you were allowed to keep 1 book. Which one would it be?

Just enjoy life, do spirituality, go to the Moon and visit the craters, travel the galaxy, Netflix and chill with an AI baddie on the way.

That is what I noticed too in men. It is in the nature of men to be like this. The nature of woman in this regard is very different and very ugly which I don’t want to make explicit. I don’t want to spell it out but all guys know what I’m talking about. And the men who don’t they are talking out of their ass. If I get a green light I can make a thread about the female gaze. I studied this topic in my own life in the last 2 weeks in night clubs and all kind of settings.

That is not true at all. If men get approached by a girl and the guy doesn’t want her, the guy is always flattered and treats her with respect and dignity. Neither did I ever shat on a woman for making a move, and I would never do that because it is not in my nature to do that I have never seen a guy take a shit on a girl for making herself vulnerable but I have seen the opposite a lot of times; when girls take a shit on a guy for daring to make a move. With me they never do it because they know it will end up in a fight. I accidentally approach girls with a bf all the time and both treat me with respect because they know disrespect will have a price. But I know lesser men who get shat on and beaten Even Leo said he gets beaten by girls when doing pickup. He mentioned this recently. I never experienced this but a lot of guys do.

No I don’t think so because I respect ugly woman.

That is what I meant and everybody can observe it for themselves. I don’t want to spell it out because it will insult woman’s nature. But it is a very ugly side of woman’s nature. Mind you. Never tell the truth of her nature in her face. Just accept the truth and treat her accordingly. In the same way never tell a woman , man is the prize. One always sub communicates to the feminine. No explicit shit.

There is always a power dynamic. Even if friendships. Especially in friendships. If you are blind to it it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It is part of human nature. And is it pre verbal.

Flipping the script is key in paradigm shifts.

I appreciate the input of women but you guys will never be able to direct experience men’s experience. Before I created this topic I thoroughly tested my thesis. I approached girls seeing her as the prize and it always ended up in her being repulsed. Then I flipped the script and saw myself as the prize and many times she was drawn to me although initially she was holding back + she fell in love For me this is the only way to get 8’s, 9’s. There is no way for me to get quality girls with chasing them. I recommend men testing this for themselves and not listen to women in this thread because there is no way for them to get direct exp or test this out. So it is all mental gymnastics…

You are a very developed woman but very few women are like you. Attraction usually happens a within a few seconds. Afterwards it could happen too but that is not the point. I’m talking about how women look at men who don’t feed their criteria and how they look and treat them. I don’t want to spell it out because it is very ugly but you can observe it for yourself when a woman encounters a perceived low tier men who tries to get with her.

An important insight I had about a women’s gaze. Men who don’t fit her criteria are not seen as men but as something else which I don’t want to spell out. This is a very ugly side of women. It is in their biology to look a certain way to her - perceived - low tier men.

LOL nowadays these beautiful women can’t find a partner … because they all want that top notch men who use them for sex and dump them they dont want to settle “with less” aka beta males. Mind you that female value aka beauty is fading. They only have 16-24 gap to catch a good fish (!!)aka husband. After that it is going to be difficult So who is the prize ? If they are the prize why do they put up on make up? All that women do is focus on relationship to land a good man. And good man are focused on the prize. The sequence is this Women are focused on the prize which are men men are focused on the prize which is not women, but themselves aka their own lives thus men who focus on themSelves and build their lives are the prize!!!!! That is the definition of a king, somebody who focuses on his self/kingdom, doesn’t serve a women to get favors. This is the only way to date high standing women and make it work.

That is true. If you want to date a non desperate girl who undoubtedly has good genetics, social standing and good character, you need to be the prize. Because there are so many men who want to get in her pants and sacrifice everything to be with her. Yes she knows she is the prize but to be able to get her as the man you need to flip the script and sub communicate to her that she is not the prize but you are the prize. This is key: some things you never tell a women, like telling her you are the prize. You never tell her explicitly but implicitly. You need to demonstrate it and sub communicate it. Very feminine women don’t have trouble with this. Because it is on their nature to lean on a strong tree. Only masculine females have trouble with this and that is ok too. These women know they are not the top notch of females so they develop other strategies to cope but usually they end up with partners with whom they are dissatisfied and they just put up with.

Humans are like apes. There is the pride of the group. And all female apes are drawn to him. That is how we are biologically programmed. Like Owen Cook says: humans have created the monogamy culture so weak beta men can procreate but that culture is slowly eroding and we are slowly returning to our biological reality. Man is made in the image of god, not women. And he has to take his place in the universe. Letting women take the lead in a relationship almost always leads to disaster because very few women have an integrated animus. A women in lead is out of her feminine and deeply unhappy and desperate to keep the relationship going because of her kids or no better option.

As I predicted it and said many times https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz9y4exj822o.amp

Self can’t be measured like measuring your dick but how I probe it is through the amount of defensiveness. For example if you something and that person becomes defensive you will know you are dealing with that person’s identification/self-ishness.

I can see use cases for this. Just using a little bit to have an edge in muscle development doesn't seem that harmful. It is not something I would do. I have already enough muscle but some guys can't develop muscles to save their lives.

I don’t think a paradigm shift in science from secular to non secular would cause a major catalyst since science pertains to the material world.

I already asked ChatGPT