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@Prabhaker What do you know about the Brahma Kamal Flower spiritually? (I'm not looking for factual info, like where is it from.)

I'm not judging anything. I'm trying to explain something without this thread going into a debate. You know how you were talking about Tibet and how the world just watches on? I hate to say this, but something is happening in Myanmar. The main point is, it's hard to get through to the materialist no matter what the mystic do now. Anyway, continue the journey. Take it step by step. We're just onlookers. There's nothing we could do unless we continue our journey.

@Prabhaker I understand what you were saying. It happened in history. But, are you sure that they were the biggest invaders? (I think I disagree here.) You probably understand what I'm saying. Anyway, our job right now is not to dwell on the past. If you can teach spirituality in effective ways, do so. I'm talking about not just in the forum. If we are truly on stage orange of society, there is no need to make such a big sacrifice to our lives to get attention, right? Because to stage orange ppl, it looks 'crazy' and 'cult-like' and 'woo-woo.' It could draw the wrong attention. Tactfulness may be more effective. Try that first before going on a Hero's Journey of sacrifice.

@Prabhaker Hey, I know that Salman is hot on the outside. I just don't like him on the inside. But, what I was really referring to is you commenting on the British government in India in the past. We all know what happened. That sexy fashion was lost in that time for men. If you want to put on a dhoti - awesome! Don't care what anyone think. If you want to study and teach spirituality, great. Don't care what anyone think. I saw this inspirational video on Leo's blog... ( Btw, Gandhi didn't care how he dressed, no matter who he visited, not even the queen. Too bad that didn't catch on. )

@Prabhaker Too bad guys don't wear dhotis anymore. They look cute in it.

Monsoons are here.

@Prabhaker Great talking to you. Nice conversation. Maybe Leo can do a video on this - being tactful and save the ego or sacrifice the ego? I think he already did that in his recent Hero's Journey video - Truth and ego sometimes can't go together. Sometimes ego has to die completely, meaning sacrifice of self and death of the person/master. I really like these Hero's Journey videos. However, I wish the Hero didn't have to die. It makes me think that we're still in the backward stages - purple/red - if it happens in real life. I have to think about what you said. We live in a different "time."

What? Really? Ok. You're right. He wasn't. There was Jesus, Buddha, and all these other masters who were not tactful. We all know them. However, let me just tell you, it was due to them and tactfulness of others that I discovered myself deeper. I'm sure it's like this for others too. It wasn't just the main prophets. If I knew only Jesus and Buddha, I wouldn't be in this forum. But, yes, I do give them a lot of credit.

@Prabhaker I've been doing a bit of thinking. It looks like tactfulness is valid. Monks have been doing this for ages, not revealing "occult" knowledge to those who are not ready for it. It's not just done in this way. You could teach it in hidden ways, and teach it /share it directly to those who are completely ready for it. Just like being a life coach to teaching enlightenment stuff, but not revealing everything all at once. Do the enlightened masters really have to be sacrificed / crucified like that? It does catch the masses attention; we still have a long way to go. I like to think that we're past that age where masters have to go like that. I think we are past that. We have sayings like, "Those who don't understand history are bound to repeat it." We are at stage orange, not purple/red.

Which is why for quite a while I could not stop watching this video: I posted this a few times already. If they had great hospitals and great security equal for all, life would be best - without destroying the environment or population explosion.

People, the masses, not going within discovering themselves. They can't just stop whatever they're doing. For me, Martin Luther King was definitely a role model. No one can just take a leap and understand what is the full blown enlightenment. So, what do you think makes humanity unconscious?

Everyone is a stepping stone to make humanity more conscious.

@Prabhaker We still need the others who don't actually teach enlightenment. Actions speak louder than words. If we just had those who taught enlightenment, it wouldn't work. This world is colourful, not just black and white. The path is not a straight line. It has curves.

Yes, I get your point. Another monk who was part of Thích Nhất Hạnh's monestary set himself on fire and burned himself up in protest against the Vietnam War without even screaming. What I'm trying to say is, all these other famous people count - all these prominent famous people like Martin Luther King - giving the general public wondering why and aways asking why. Besides, Martin Luther King did sacrifice his life. He was assissnated.

Why not? Not everyone has the same occupation. Not everyone have to be a mystic or hermit. He nominated Thích Nhất Hạnh, an enlightened monk, for Noble Peace Prize. Thích Nhất Hạnh was a good friend of his. When good friends come together, they talk about everything. They don't bother about who's in what religion.

@Prabhaker Seriously? Yikes! I didn't know that. Well, you get my point. My point was we don't know who had enlightenment experiences and who doesn't if they are too humble to say it or write it to the general public. At least Martin Luther King didn't do that.

@Prabhaker I didn't say that. I said: Gandhi lived like a monk and spoke like a monk. He may not have had an enlightenment experience. That's ok. He probably understood what it is. Plus, he may have been too humble to even write down his experiences if he even had any. Who knows? Did you know Martin Luther King was a friend to Thích Nhất Hạnh? He's considered an enlightened monk. Martin Luther King nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize, although he never got it. In other words, we don't know what's going on in people's personal lives. Enlightenment is very personal. It's between you and God. In other words - You and You, not you and someone else.

@Prabhaker I like Gandhi and Martin Luther King a lot. I consider them as enlightened. You don't need an enlightenment experience to become enlightened, although it helps.

Was Osho enlightened? I heard he was, but how he incorporated his enlightenment experiences into his life is interesting. He's different. Different ppl incorporate their enlightenment experiences differently.

The surprising thing I'm seeing is, the countries that are suffering the most, gets pushed forward the fastest. The gov of China does realize its big mistakes. It used to take property away from wealthier home owners, pre WWII under Mao, and now giving it back - too late though. This is due to making everyone equal wealth under communism. Now, it's banning cars with odd digits off the streets on certain days to reduce pollution. Cars with even number digits get banned on other days. (Stage green aspect) But, of course, individual ppl in the general public develop faster than a gov. I wouldn't be surprised if many reach the Buddha stage (turquoise stage) faster if a gov is harsh/adverse on them. Remember what happened to Martin Luther King?

The funny thing is, I'm in Hyderabad. I only made 2 friends who I could relate to on spirituality - one is from New Delhi and the other from China. They were both here. We kept in touch. I have not made a friend here in Hyderabad in which I could relate on a spiritual level - at least not yet. When I tell my friends something new, they are willing to listen and I learned a lot from them.

I didn't say that praying to Jesus is wrong. I was talking about something else. All things are possible, even in the worst circumstances. We are still living in a world of infinite possibilities. You just got to find a way - whether or not you're tactful.

@Prabhaker Let me give you other examples. Christian crusaders used to come into ppl's homes and arrest and kill ppl if they didn't see Jesus as a prayer stand (pooja). So, what happened? The so called "pagans" used to put Jesus and Mary as the main characters in the middle of the prayer stand, and around them are other characters such as other "pegan" gods and goddesses. The crusaders only saw what they wanted to see and left ppl who were tactful alone. What's wrong in doing this? The crusaders had a biased default position - so their own minds trick them. Very tactful. This is what I mean. Even in one of Leo's video, he mentioned Ox's tail in a subtle way. I had to look it up - very tactful, and I liked it. The Ox Herding story told by Shinzen Young was tactful. Hidden messages. In summary, some people are just not ready to hear certain things; there's only anger and ego in them when they hear wisdom.

@Leo Gura Everything in this life is interconnected. That's why I said that in that way.

@Leo Gura I'm thinking the main objective in this life is to live life to the fullest and to experience Truth. To do this, you got to have a life purpose and go on a Hero's Journey. That could induce Truth. In summary, this is my take on it.