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This is only a metaphor. We are in a "recorded film," where the movie has already been done from beginning to end. Everything has already been said and done. While you're in the movie, you could choose to be the director. Make it the best movie possible. Don't choose to be the victim. When the movie is finished, when you're not embodied anymore, you could choose to watch it. You could choose to watch your loved ones' movie, come for a little visit, and drop some hints. Guide them to make the best movie possible.

@Emerald cool. You know, sometimes you need to work to be the breadwinner of the family as well as bootstrap. That maybe the reason you want to coach. Of course, #1 reason is you love helping ppl in that way.The classes sound expensive, esp the ones Leo suggested. Are you certain that you can't pick up the skills on your own? Well, there must be a good reason why Leo suggested those. You have a book suggestion on this thread already. That's good.

Well, what I mean is, if you have a desire to just share your most profound spiritual experience and how you got there in your unique spiritual path (ie. being the no-self and falling back into your ego with love/bliss), you can. You could describe it in a let's say a book or an app somewhere in a creative way. However, not many ppl will be able to relate. Maybe perhaps a small handful of ppl will be able to if you have a large target audience. If you wrote 5 popular books, maybe you could write it in one somewhere and see what happens. For those who are able to relate (and there won't be many, probably a small handful), they'll make comments somewhere, maybe in your blog/forum, and you could pick them out somehow to talk to them. That's what I mean.

hmm... Entrepreneural skills = be different, simple, and creative so ppl (fans/target audience) can relate. But, the high consciousness spiritual stuff will have to be in small clumps (ie. book, app). Then, you'll have a very small cluster of profound ppl in one corner.

From my observations, the difference between green and yellow is mainly green could become too ideal. That's the drawback of green. If you, for example, talk to a fully green person without the yellow, you could relate to him/her on topics like the environment, pets, peaceful music, etc., whatever we talked about on the stage green thread, but if you go beyond that and get too profound, they won't be able to relate. If you try talking to them about entrepreneurship without being corrupt (to the environment or whatever), they might still think you're greedy without researching what's entrepreneurship. They will not take the effort to research the combination of new ideas or be open-minded to it. Another example: if you're moving to another country that they don't know or like and you tell them, they won't be able to relate. If things get too profound, they won't get it. They'll be shocked. The main difference between yellow and turquoise, imo, is that yellows tend to overthink. Also, turquoise is much more open-minded and less likely to overlook things, esp profound stuff. When presented with profound info, a turquoise will not just reject it and pass it off. Turquoise, "I might be wrong; there must be a good reason why that particular person is saying that. I wonder if I could get to the bottom of it." A turquoise's advice on your spiritual path is one without a bias judgement, and the turquoise person knows your path well enough and profound enough to give you a sound advice or sound information if you ask for it. If not, then the person will be honest enough to let you know. You got to be very deep along your path for this person to meet you along the way or where you're at.

That's awesome. Love counts. And, so far, this link that talks about love makes the most sense to me. I'm summing up all the talks we've had on the forum. He mentions love at the very end and talks in a metaphoric way. It's the love that we give that counts the most.

@zoey101 I'm happy for you. Life path:

Imo, it looks like the more indirect you are the better: What this means is, if you discovered your spiritual path, and you saw and became the no-self, and you decided to tell ppl about it, it's best to be creative and tell it indirectly in some way. Ppl who are not ready for it may misinterpret your information. Everyone walks a different spiritual path. We are all unique. You cannot discover your own spiritual path by trying to walk on someone else's.

This thread is going nowhere.

@Prabhaker I like his speech here. He's very direct, straightforward, and to the point. It makes sense to me.

Why? Enlightenment and the spiritual path are about love and detachment, not about hating others for no reason. I guess it's how you interpret this quote. Jesus must be describing some very dysfunctional families during his time. That's why they need to be more detached from each other. We don't live in the same time as Jesus.

Good question and good points. The next step is to become an entrepreneur guru, like Baba Ramdev or Sai Baba, without being corrupt. I'm not sure how open Sadhguru is to that and if it's going to work out like that. And then, he could start speaking differently, and not in stage blue glory. It's hard to get past the corrupt orange corporation. Society cannot be orange otherwise the orange ppl appointed will run the show. It's best to promote true spirituality, which has to be done in a very tactful way to uplift society. Which is why, if you realize this, it starts with you. Probably, they don't realize. Even Baba Ramdev may not realize because he keeps emphasizing that he likes his "mother tongue." Nothing wrong with speaking any language, but he keeps emphasizing. Heck, I even saw Baba Ramdev and Sadhguru speaking together, and Ramdev seems like he's feeling proud saying this. The question is, how can I earn, support myself and my family, and promote true spirituality? Monk/guru/sage may not be your niche. That's why one has to find the niche and promote through that way. That's why they call it your calling (life purpose), with startup to entrepreneurship features.

This is a very interesting and a very complex clip. I'd like to comment on it. I agree with the first half of the clip. It basically relates to the saying, "Those who fail to understand history are bound to repeat it." In other words, it's important to understand history without judging it too much and make wise choices. The second half I don't agree with. Of course, if you take away the police from big cities like New York, within 3 hrs, lots of crime will happen. It's obvious. The same is true for big cities like New Delhi and Mumbai. Crimes are very high there, esp. New Delhi. It's not a good comparison. It's very, very complicated to compare cities and countries across the world. You could read many books on it and watch as many videos on it, and you still won't get it. Imo, the best thing to do is to travel there, live there for decades, become Indian, and transend both cultures. Then, you'll understand. Don't be afraid to step outside of your own backyard. If you remove all the police from Hopkinsville, KY, for example, it's not the same as removing them from LA.

I'm just going to be a little bold and express some thoughts here that came up after going through this thread. It's easy to find stage blue environments anywhere in the world. It's like going to a party where the ppl are not really enjoying the party but come up to you and small talk with you about your "religion" or your "race" or even ask you about your "caste." They have 20 "nosy/curious" questions to ask, and expect you to have an answer. It's like you have to belong to some group, right? They expect that to be your identity, and they think they know you based on that. How does this make you feel? Uncomfortable, right? No? Then, maybe you're partly stage blue? Some ppl in the world do choose their friends like this and even their spouses. In other words, if a guru preaches nationalism or even cracks nationalistic jokes, seekers who blindly follow him will also do the same. He may even do this in subtle ways and many seekers may mimic him. If you go to his temple, monestary, or ashram, you will probably encounter this type of "party" environment if you don't fit the stereotypical, "nationalistic" profile. Here's an example. In India, if you have a "Christian" name, like "John," many ppl in stage blue will automatically assume you're a Christian. This is mainly an internal assumption. Same goes for Hindus and Muslims. I'm talking about stage blue ppl and environments. If you want to see and experience stage yellow, good luck. It's rare. The thing to do is become at least stage yellow and make friends in at least stage yellow.

@John Iverson I think we're getting off-topic. I already shared everything I know. I'm not into any one guru. For me, if the message of enlightenment, for example, gets passed on, and the person understands it with the experience, that's it; then it's time for a profound life purpose. Personally, that friend who I had lunch with is someone I have to trust, in business. So, whatever he said does have some impact. However, that's a personal matter. I don't want to get into it.

That's awesome.

Then, good, you could continue to learn with him. Who's stopping you? I think Shanmugam has a valid point too. He doesn't have to remain silent. I know that sometimes India has been effected and scammed by fake gurus historically and just because the guru is nice and famous, doesn't mean someone has to keep silence. Like I said, I don't know much about Sadhguru. I didn't check him out much yet, but I do wonder why that friend said that. To me, that friend is smart and politically involved, and very much aware. Ok. I already said to you what I have to say. I made myself clear. I'm not going to elaborate on this anymore because it will only get out of context.

I was only sharing with Shanmugam what happened when I had that lunch with a friend. I don't know Sadhguru well. To me, a "guru" doesn't have to be invited to prestigious universities or be famous. That doesn't matter to me. What matters is, can he/she teach someone to be a great person and how well are the lessons taught? And, the "guru" cannot be a hypocrite--you know, practice what you preach.

This part is interesting. I didn't read the whole thread, but wanted to share something. When I got back to the US from Hyderabad, a friend who had just arrived from Hyderabad sat down with me for lunch. I took a chance in talking about enlightenment with him and warned him to be open-minded about it. You know, how "woo-woo" the conversation may turn out, right? I was concerned. But, to my surprise, he knew about it! So, my intuition was right in telling him. However, the moment I mentioned Sadhguru, he told me not to look at him anymore. He told me that he was not a real guru. I was quite surprised! I wondered why. But, he didn't have time to explain, and left.

That's awesome. Remember this story? I mentioned it before. You don't have to work for your church if you don't want. It's choice. There must be some opportunities out there. The goal is to find a more enjoyable career that could eventually evolve into a life purpose. Or, finding the life purpose could eventually lead to an enjoyable career, and then beyond that. It could go different ways.

@zoey101 Do you sing well? I'm sure you do. Do you sing for your church?

Hey zoey, have you looked at Leo's Maslow's clip? This one: It's very useful. However, I feel that "sex/reproduction" being categorized at the very bottom of Maslow is misunderstood--a lot. At that very basic level, it probably means the human species is about to be extinct, and at that level, a human being could make survival and producing children a life purpose. However, many ppl, at stage orange, think it is for "getting laid," which is a want, not a need. Have you seen the Spiral Dynamics clip? Do you know the different stages, like stage orange? This will help you discover your life purpose if you fully understand it, seriously. I really wish all ppl could go travelling and migrate to a country completely different from their own, and live there for at least 5 yrs. To me, that's what it takes. That's how profound it is--to fully understand 2 completely different cultures and transend them. I'm wondering...what do you love to do as an interest or hobby? Maybe/probably, this could be transformed into a marketable skill gradually, and then, move on from there.

Yes, I agree. I tried to say this toward the beginning of your thread and posted some links. What I'm trying to say overall is, take it step by step and don't overthink. That's only a distraction. When everyone walks their basic life path, it will not be the same at all. For example, we have different professions, right? Everyone does not become a doctor. So, tell me something, logically speaking--at such a basic level, we are all unique with different characteristics and professions. Do you really think that if you discover your spiritual path, that it will be the same as someone else's? No way.