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You asked a bunch of questions with the answer already. To me, the answer is yes, they are more progressive if you start engaging in questions & debates with them. It doesn't change ppl for whatever they stand for.
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Good questions. I would say, if you criticize someone, the chances are they would not listen, and that creates distance. Even if you label someone belonging to a certain group and question about that, they may feel uncomfortable. It doesn't allow the person(s) to be themselves and be authentic. It could lead to unwanted disagreements and debates. The question is, why participate in that? Ask yourself, is that the real work that you 'should' be doing? What is most fulfilling in life? This is something for me to think about too. Let's say when you meet a new person, what do you talk about? What if they start an uncomfortable topic? What would you say to drop the topic without sounding rude?
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So cute. Born lucky.
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Key Elements replied to kieranperez's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Shanmugam I think for ppl coming from India who are interested in non-duality, I recommend coming to the US and staying here for sometime, under a business visa or H1--work and stay longer so you'll get to interact with diverse ppl, rather than just taking a tourist visa. Why? Because it's still very challenging to communicate non-duality here. Lots of lessons to be learned in the switch of environments. To make an impact to influence ppl of how to live in peace and in truth, you got to be very tactful in passing on the message in the creation of your life purpose. You cannot just present it and have everyone knowing the right message. All lessons in life that you have learned have to be taken into consideration. -
@kieranperez just wanted to say, do what you feel is right. There's no right or wrong answers. These are just tips. But I must say from my experience, that what you were meant to do in this life could be hidden within since childhood. It could be a matter of uncovering it. The process of uncovering it could be fun. It doesn't have to be painful or uncomfortable. To me, the tip of keep exploring in fun ways sound correct because you do have a choice of uncovering it sooner rather than later. Don't make it a big rush to uncover it. That could be stressful.
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@kieranperez you got to survive first, right? Look at Maslow's diagram. Even monks/zen masters/gurus/etc., have to take that into consideration. I've been to a temple where the monks have to have at least a masters degree in Buddhism in order to qualify to become a monk there. They never marry or have children in their lifetime. They are ascetics. There are always qualifications when you join. Do you want to join for good or temporary? If it's only temporary, then that particular temple will only allow you to stay for a week for a price. I heard one of the older monk had a heart attack, and a temple member supported him by taking him to the hospital for treatment. It costed the member $10,000 in hospital bills. The other option is to find a career that you like and turn that eventually into a life purpose by also incorporating entrepreneurship, spirituality, and non-duality. Yes, actualized.org is an example. But, you could do that with a skill that you like. The skill set that Leo is using here is life coaching.
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One little thing that I want to tune in on: what skill do you like to do? If you don't know, you can find it through doing something fun, like a hobby on your free time. For instance, I love art--love to paint, but I discovered that, it's hard to market this. I love to write too and found myself writing a foreign language automatically. This is marketable--understanding two languages. And so, I started teaching foreign language via arts and crafts. That's part of my life purpose. You may want to talk to a career counselor at an university or someone knowledgeable of marketable skills and pick something you would like to do on your free time. Maybe it's something related to your hobby.
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Looks like science is trying to catch up: Sounds cool.
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Some ppl don't want approval. They just want to be authentic and themselves, but that's not an easy thing to do, especially when the person wants to express the discovery of non-duality to "friends." So, therefore, one has to find healthy ways to do this, like expressing it in a life purpose. Even if it's done there, it has to be expressed in very tactful ways nowadays. Otherwise, the "wrong" message gets sent, or others misinterpret it.
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Yeah, but the way you were saying it, the thought that came to my mind is that I could not picture an enlightened master purposely putting himself in harms way just for the heck of it. It doesn't happen like that, and no one does that. It doesn't. That's your choice. Some ppl have an awakening automatically for whatever reason, and they don't even realize that it's an awakening. So they do nothing about it.
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No, he won't do this. He would avoid such situations all together. There's no lessons here. Why do this? An enlightened master is still a human being embodied in an ego. Of course, he'll try to escape like anyone else if he's endangered. Yes. You could also embody the wisdom (enlightenment experiences) into your life purpose. If you have an awakening, you will become aware first hand that everything is you. You could share this piece of info through your LP in a tactful way so that those who are ready to hear it will hear it. Why do this? Because you want to make peace in this world and reduce/end suffering as much as you can. By nature, we don't like to see suffering. During an awakening, there is just peace, no suffering. You want to reflect this in this life.
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The something that you are seeing right now, which is the world we're living in, isn't permanent. For example, no one stays in this world forever. So, we pass away one day and become "nothingness." But then, during our lifetime, some of us have this "awakening." That's when we see ourselves as "nothingness" becoming "somethingness" when we embody back into our ego (body) via singularity. And, we gain wisdom from that.
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What does the Mirror of Erised symbolizes for you in "real" life?
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@bejapuskas You're welcome.
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Look into entrepreneurship. Do a startup via website/YouTube channel/etc. And then, turn this into a life purpose using Spiral Dynamics and Maslow. It's like riding a bicycle. Practice and you'll get better at it. You will make mistakes. Just be careful when you do. You'll learn from it. Take mistakes as lessons. This is a great thing to do because you will have something to talk about if you do meet a yellow/turquoise person. If you don't, and you meet ppl who are blue/orange/green, and they're not open-minded, you could just tell them your occupation. That's it. The thing is, if you do find your life purpose, you will know your occupation because things will fall into place in your life. A life purpose could get very deep and profound if that's where you want to go. It's your choice. As an example, I like Shaolin monks as a group to look at. They cover the bottom of Maslow and also the top, and also Spiral Dynamics. They do kung fu. Everyone knows what kung fu is, and can relate to that. That's why they have it as a skill/business. They need that to survive. They probably only talk about non-duality to someone who is radically open-minded and ready to hear it. Otherwise, regular ppl who go to them are interested in the kung fu part or meditation, or doing kung fu in a meditative state.
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@bejapuskas I just had a thought that you could always check the yellow / turquoise threads. There are lists of ppl. Just pick someone you like. It's just that, let's say you went on a meditation retreat and met one of them. How are you going to get through to them so that they could have a moment with you? What are you going to say to them when they had the chance to say, 'hello' to you? Imagine that. Have you thought about how to go about your life purpose? If you go on a journey in discovering that, there are probably hints there in 'breaking the ice.'
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@bejapuskas What topics are you going to talk about if you meet such a person? How will you introduce yourself?
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Blue tried to convert Reds, but it didn't work out.
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Key Elements replied to kieranperez's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Ok, interesting... I guess we all know someone like this who is close to us. For me, if I was in this situation, I wouldn't go and explain it, not even through a book. Maybe I'm incorrect in your father's case, but it seems unlikely that a person of this description would want to read such a book. I would just get a nice Christmas card or a blank Christmas card and attach it to some general gift, like good chocolates. On the card, I would write: 'Wishing you a Merry Christmas...and much happiness and success...Btw...I found my life path. These are the two diagrams that helped me to discover it...' Then, I would draw the Spiral Dynamics diagram and this diagram: pointed at stage orange. Then, I would continue writing on the card: 'Well, Dad, if you're curious to know where I'm at, here's my website (include website). If you want to know more about these diagrams, here are the books (include book names). However, I would just watch videos on YouTube first before reading those books. It's much easier to understand.' B-I triangle diagram -
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@bejapuskas I just want to add that if you find your LP and get it all online with a product (eg. an app or whatever), you don't ever have to speak about it--you know, to help those who are really lost. You just tell them your website/channel/etc or pass them your business card (only if they're interested) and that's it. It's up to them to look you up. They have a choice to listen or not.
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You don't have to worry about this part much. If you do a journal, and discovered what you like to do through it, would it be like someone else's? Never. We're all unique, so our uniqueness happens automatically.
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@Aquarius Some ppl just don't want to talk unless it's really necessary. They will just say bluntly, "get back to work," or something like that. It may sound rude, but that's how they are. I would say, just detach from them. If they don't want to talk, don't talk to them.