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External environment. The external world. Not the embodied, ego "you." I don't want to explain it here in a post--takes too long. I rather go into it in my LP.

@Serotoninluv yes, but I wanted to know out of curiosity if there were any changes in the environment as the result of a psychedelic trip. I take that as a "no." Haven't heard from Leo or anyone, and so far, haven't heard of it when I research.

I already have something to say about the no-self in my life purpose. Whether or not I fear psychedelics doesn't matter.

@Serotoninluv great. Then you could go and research that and do that, and maybe perhaps do that in your life purpose, if that's what you want to do. If not, that's your choice. The life of a human beings' ego is short. We're here to learn our lessons within our lifetimes and take action on them. This topic is very woo-woo in our present day society. I'm not sure if I want to pass the message on in a psychedelic way. In this life, an awakening and chasing the awakening isn't required. The point is to shift toward peace and raise the awareness of peace in society through our LP like a ripple effect.

No I'm not. Don't assume. The correct response to my response would be: there can be physical changes to the external environment to a psychedelic trip of the no-self. However, so far, the answer is no. This may be the reason why "enlightened ppl" go against psychedelics. I think.

@Serotoninluv there is already information on that. Ram Dass's guru had both.

I'm interested in hearing a response from Leo. If not, that's ok too. No problem. I've always wondered why sometimes these 'enlightened masters' don't encourage the use of psychedelics. It's such a touchy subject, and it shouldn't be.

Do you think that something that "powerful" (viewed from the ego's perspective) will not effect your "external" world at all physically, and there will be no changes or indications? Come on! Afterall, all is "you."

@ivankiss @Aakash what are the both of you going to do to trigger some peace in this world? I know Aakash, you want to build schools in the end. I'm also in the educational field. I'm a bilingual teacher. So, I have done some work already online but have a long way to go. It's part of my life purpose. If you ever get the deepest awakening in your life, I have to caution you to be careful. After becoming the nothingness (no-self) and transforming back into your ego, initially, you will think that it's absolutely beautiful!!! You will feel like you conquered the world!!! You know, grandiose. But, that's the danger of having such wisdom. It can be misinterpreted by the ego. Notice that when you are the no-self, all you will "feel" is peace--no suffering at all. Even when you are making a major (massive) transformation back into your ego, Truth (nothingness) will only view it as a transformation, and nothing else, nothing more. It thinks nothing special of it. It's detached. If you decide to incorporate this wisdom into your life purpose, be careful not to make it seem like it's superior / grandiose. If so, this is probably how cults get started because such wisdom is misinterpreted and misunderstood by the ego.

@ivankiss may you be blessed too. May we all be blessed. I figured that's how it works in this world. If one human being is awakened, this person will try his/her best to pass on the info to bring peace. It's a ripple effect. One does not actually need to experience what's it like to be awakened, but it helps a lot to refer to such a wisdom.

Well, I'll tell you something. Even the nothingness transforms itself into somethingness. That's why we're here--teaching ourselves a lesson. I don't know why our world happened, and we're all in our egos. However, I do know that nothingness means peace. It doesn't suffer at all. So, while we are in our egos, create something that will trigger some peace in this world in your own way, and see what happens. That is the way to go. It looks like the nothingness travelled back in time, trying to fix itself, and trying to make a better somethingness to live in.

Nice poem. However, you never looked at life from a different perspective. Imagine you just got out of prison after many years because you committed a serious crime. You don't have to imagine; look it up on YouTube. Even Leo has a clip of a supermax prison on his blog. I saw a woman in prison on YouTube who has committed a serious crime. She looked out of her window of her prison cell and saw a cat walking by surrounded by trees, and smiles. "Life continues," she said to herself, "I look at my situation as temporary." Some prisoners don't even have windows to look at nature, and they go insane.

Let's not judge or make projections. You don't know what I'm talking about. What you said has nothing to do with what I was referring to. It's just projections on your part. Be careful @Leo Gura ; if ppl can't even ask questions or bring something new to the table, then yes, actualized.org can turn into a cult. If you're concerned, well, here's the example. Look what actually happened here. It's not wrong to ask questions about things. I think this forum is great but still very difficult to ask questions and discuss about profound wisdom without being misunderstood.

Keep in mind that I'm not arguing against you and 5meo. It's your choice. You could do whatever you want. At times, you seem like you're pushing it at everyone to try it without further questions. I'm just saying that there are changes in the matrix (maya) without the use of anything in relation to, you know, no-self/riding the ox backwards. It has nothing to do with how much DMT you have in your mind. How can it? It's in the environment. It's possible to have witnesses while you're having your "realistic" ah-ha moment. It's an obvious tangible change in the environment. It's just very much out of the ordinary and more convincing to me when these things happen. Using a tool (to me) isn't convincing. It seems like you're just inducing the answer, and nothing more than this. You even said in your earlier enlightenment clips somewhere to wait until it happens because it'll be more meaningful. Well, I understand that. I figured that you got this idea from a Zen Master, like Shinzen Young, or you might have read it somewhere.

What about this, Leo? I'm going to be a little bold here saying this, ok? It's not the tool that's the actual Holy Grail, but the path. A tool is only the answer key. See, if you get the answer to a problem, it doesn't mean that you're completely convinced that it's the answer. It's the clues and the ah-ha moments along the way that will also be part of the big picture to the answer. And see, it's not possible for me to explain it here. This has to be done in my life purpose, and I got a long way to go. Will you please contemplate on what I'm trying to say?

You're welcome. I question myself too. Are you doing a life purpose? It's much more effective to teach that way--through a LP. Think about it. To teach the deepest wisdom? Something that belongs on the tippy top of Maslow. Hmm...It deserves to be taught like this: This reminds me of another quote: "Come to me when you're ready. Find me when you're ready." What is the deepest wisdom, btw? If you really do know that, how are you going to say that? I mean, one of the ways a cult forms is the teacher doesn't really know the deepest wisdom and claims he knows, and enforce it ademently. Also, he may know the deepest wisdom but don't know how to teach it, it's enforced or coerced. It helps if your life path to the truth is meaningful. If you can't convince yourself in any way that what you became is the deepest truth, how is it that you could convince others? Others won't believe you. It's not an easy thing to teach.

I keep saying from time to time that a life purpose (startup) + enlightenment is the best way to convey it, given that you're cunning and tactful in your approach. Not only that, you got to be open-minded in asking yourself, do I actually know the deepest truth, and then convey that in a cunning/tactful way. Only those who are ready to hear it will hear it. Truth is not taught; it's realized. Does a person actually realize that the truth is conveyed at the very top of Maslow's? At that point on the top? ^ If you want to convey it, then your life purpose has to be structured and communicated like a Maslow's. Then, it may be more convincing.

You're welcome ?✌

@Charlotte if I may say something here... Goes in this pattern...no-self (nothingness) --> everythingness --> transformation (Shinzen Young called this part: Riding the Ox Backwards) --> love (realm) --> ego When it comes, you'll know. Until then, I would just continue working on something worthwhile to give to this world, such as a deep life purpose. Everything is interconnected and counts. Anything worth doing is like a meditation.

Ok. For those of you who like to really pick on words, experience of the no-self = Truth. That's what I mean when I posted. Truth is not ego.

@DarjeelingTea This topic keeps coming up here from time to time. It's a good topic, btw, and a very hard one to answer. Thanks for bringing it up. Remember this quote because it does cause radical open-mindedness: Two things to consider because it's been discussed many times and on Leo's videos. #1. 5meo can cause the experience of the no-self (nothingness) if done properly. This is the first argument. Work with mushrooms and other lighter psychedelics and work your way up to stronger doses before experimenting with 5meo. #2. Those who have not been the no-self (nothingness) will not understand what's it like to become the no-self without the psychedelics.

To me, a life purpose isn't just for making money. Incorrect definition. It's not the same definition as a job or business. I said that I recommend that you get a job. It doesn't mean it's your life purpose.

I'm saying that the definition of life purpose is different. You could work on it anytime, even by yourself. Yes, it is helpful for you to get a job now. I would highly recommend it. Then, you could save some money to purchase useful stuff to improve yourself. Research and spend the money wisely.

Great topic. Great post. It makes me wonder: it's probably great to research on how to market on YouTube before actually going into it. It's probably a good idea to map out your LP first before jumping into it on YouTube. Observe what others are doing--the others who are doing a topic/LP similar to your own.