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Wow, this is an interesting story. I wonder what is the "correct" way of interpreting it. Let me take a shot at it. I think the apple / fruit represents anything in life because we are all in the relative sense. However, the fruit also represents something that pulls you in and "tricks" (manipulates) you unintentionally and takes you further away from the Truth. So, with that said, an enlightened person, who has the true Satori, has to build a cunning life purpose nowadays, where he/she won't lead ppl/followers astray. Quite a challenge. An enlightened person has to realize that Truth is realized, not learned, and only those who are ready to hear it will hear it. In other words, you may have 100 followers and only one will understand what you're saying because that person has already had the Satori. Or, it could be 1/10,000 according to Leo.

Very interesting.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. You also got to be careful of traps before and after enlightenment. Sometimes, you just have to live your life in mindfulness meditation. There's a saying, "Life doesn't give you what you ask for. It gives you the people, places, and situations to develop what you ask for."

I don't know what you are saying and why you're giving me an advice like that, but I'm not at all attached to Leo. It's not wrong to ask Leo questions or wonder why he's doing whatever.

Leo, seriously, , I really can't keep this bottled up anymore. I honestly thought that after your 5meo trip, you already experienced Riding the Ox Backwards. Because, you said singularity. That's the deepest you can go. You can't get beyond the absolute. To me, that should've been permanent. Yet, you kept going on retreats doing 5meo multiple times. Why? What's up with this? My guess is, it's not permanent for you. If you actually had a Satori/Kensho, the term Riding the Ox Backwards should have been profoundly meaningful for you.

@Gabriel Antonio I get what you're saying, and I know where you are coming from. However, in order to get the message across in the proper way, it's not effective to point out and talk about another person no matter how delusional they are. I'm not talking about Leo. I'm talking about it in general. Try to do a stunning/meaningful life purpose where you could also earn a decent living. If you could find a way to incorporate Truth, that would truly be a calling, but you're right, you cannot go around spreading the wrong message. It leads ppl astray. You got to do it in a way where only those who are ready to hear it will hear it. Self-transcendence is the most challenging thing to communicate. There is no magic formula to it. We are all unique individuals. So it will come to us in different ways. Everything you do counts. There are so many factors that can lead to it.

When an enlightened person speaks or writes about the Truth, he/she can only be a pointer to the Truth. Only if you become the Truth (being one with the Truth) are you the actual Truth. Only the actual Truth has no delusion. So yes, the OP is correct. Everything in the relative domain is deluded to a certain degree. However, an enlightened person has a chance in life to apply the wisdom/Truth that he/she "experienced" (became). The enlightened person has more of a chance to live a less delusional/egoic life.

@Leo GuraJust thought of something else that I would like to mention to you. I thought you can't get beyond the absolute. The absolute means that "you" are God. When "you" become God, that means that you're the No-self; then you make a transformation into everythingness, and then you ride the ox back into your ego (& world) with bliss, indicating that this world is the "to love realm." You can't get beyond this. That's what I thought. Once you are back into your ego, you have to observe your surrounding circumstances. Are you in adversity? Because I noticed that ppl who report the absolute without inducing it were in an adverse time in their lives. I was. I realized this. A war was taking place outside of where I lived. I was hiding while ppl outside were being stabbed to death. In my case, it reminds me of a metaphoric saying of Jesus, "Jesus, it's nice to finally meet you. Tell me something. When I look at this map of my life, you were always walking beside me. Why is it that in the most difficult time in my life I'm all alone? I can only see my footprints on this map? You're not walking beside me anymore." Then Jesus replied, "those are not your footprints. They're mine. That's when I carried you." The last line of the Jesus quote reminds me of Riding the Ox Backwards, when "you" are carried back into your ego by "yourself" because you're still one with God while making that transformation. And Leo, I'm also wondering, since you mentioned these things in your videos... What does experiencing the absolute have anything to do with brain chemistry? What does it have to do with being more spiritually "blessed?" To me, it has to do with a lot of factors. Maybe one of them being the decisions you make in your life.

@Leo GuraAnd Leo, to be radically open-minded includes taking all sides into consideration, or as many sides into consideration. If someone shows you this, it does not mean that he/she is "anti-psychedelic." It does not mean the person is not interested in enlightenment. Look closely and carefully into the person. This clip has to be looked into very carefully too. You also have to question whether or not the person you are talking to has profound experiences already or have experienced Truth/Nothingness/No-self/Riding the Ox Backwards. Did he/she experienced it with or without psychedelics? If so, describe it. Let's see the work of the enlightened human being and how deep is the enlightenment.

Ok. I get what you're saying. Thanks for making it clear! I said it the way I did because I've been called silly names like "cult" or "anti-psychedelics." Yes, I totally understand and agree with you on the highlighted part. What happened to me was not done under psychedelics or any strong methods, like SDS. So I'm not just talking about psychedelics. I want to find a way to tell whatever happened to me on my life purpose--my full story, and I'm working on that. However, I have to keep in mind the way I communicate it. Most ppl in society are not ready to hear it. If it goes into a debate, it doesn't help in learning anything about it. So far, when I work on my life purpose, this is what came up. And, yes, I still have to earn a living.

I'm not talking about morality or not. That is not what I said, and I'm not trying to have a debate with Leo or anyone. I was communicating my direct experience with Leo. If you want to do psychedelics, you go and do it. That was not the issue. I noticed that whenever I try to say something, it gets twisted into something else. Then, the discussion goes nowhere. Discussions are not based on misunderstandings. It turns into debate. I'm not interested in a debate. Leo emphasizes on radical open-mindedness. Debates are not even open-minded.

1. Travelled, immigration 3X, stepped outside my comfort zone and backyard 2. Found my calling (life purpose) 3. Saw 10 ox herding pics (actualized.org pointed this out in the beginning--earlier clip, thanks Leo) 4. Research and keep looking for opportunities 5. Transform LP into a startup, really understand what this means

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Poor thing! Be thankful ? that we live in a to love realm duality (supported by non-duality) according to enlightenment. Why get stuck in one of these realms with endless strange loops? This reminds me of battles in US history. I forgot the proper names for them. They have names like, "Battle of the 1700s." Some ppl nowadays when they visit historic Native American lands, where these battles took place, still report ghost soldiers on opposite sides fighting with each other. They would wake up early in the morning, prepare for battle, and start fighting. By the end of their day, some die, and some go back into their camps injured. Then, the next day, it's the same battle over again. The ghosts don't realize that the battle is already over long time ago.

@Aakash I think you're having a lot of fun here. It's ok. Have fun if you like. I do recommend discovering and taking your first step. Usually, it's not easy for the person to take that first step because it has to be discovered. Where are you right now on your journey? What is your "obstacle" now? Are you able to pinpoint what it is? After doing that, then you'll know where to go and how to adjust.

No. I didn't say they were wrong. Read what I said again. If I thought they were wrong, I would have told you very straight up. I don't go a roundabout way of explaining things. I don't beat around the bushes. Really? You mean I have yet to experience with them? No thanks. I'm not trying to be mean. I'm saying it straight up. When you decided to take psychedelics, after that shrooms and 5meo clip and beyond those clips, I was listening to each of your videos very carefully. I was hoping to learn something profoundly different, like you experiencing God and changing your future. Then, when you decided to live your life as the ego, you realized and discovered that you did change your future as God in the past. You, as God, changed it because you were looking at it from a bird's eye view. Yes, this does very much relates to and correlates with Riding the Ox Backwards. However, tbh, I did not see anything of that magnitude in your videos.

Hey Leo, bear with me. It's not easy to explain or ask questions on topics like this. So, here goes. We, everyone in this world, technically is living in duality. We live in a 3D world and in a linear time. And, of course, we live in an ego (mind & body). This life, as we know it, is what makes understanding of non-duality complex. When a person experiences becoming the No-self (Nothingness), and transforms back into his/her ego on earth (aka Riding the Ox Backwards), it does effect other things in the person's life--the time it happened, the place it happened, the circumstances in which it happened, the events surrounding when it happened, etc etc. It does have a major impact in the person's future--literally. It will fit into the person's circumstances very well and very clearly. What do I mean by this? What do I mean by literally? Well, it's like seeing your entire life spread out in a film, from beginning to end. Then, you decided (as God) to go to the future (like two decades) in your life and cut out some pieces of the film and insert new pieces in hopes that your life will be better. Then, as the ego, when you start living in the film (matrix), you realize that you did edit your film as "God." This will not be easy to explain in post(s) because a person will have to go into details writing a book. However, if a person decides to try to induce such experiences, I doubt it will be as meaningful. I'm not trying to be negative, ok? I have doubts. That's all.

Questions: What's your first move? Do you dare to discover that and take that first step and continue and adjust for the rest of your life? This is how you go somewhere. I think the biggest step missing here is, and it has not been discussed: going from job to self-employment to entrepreneurship, and making that more meaningful by adding more meaningful things in your life to it, and really making this combo your life purpose. Well, I tried to narrow it down. Not easy to explain because we all have different interests and depth of non-duality.

Because it's not permanent. We will not live forever in our bodies. This world isn't permanent. Everything is a temporary transformation. That's life. That's ego. That's what ego means. It's embodiment. It's interesting how in science, they say that if you go to a observatory and look through a powerful telescope connected to a powerful satellite, you could see the beginning of the universe because it's expanding. Some people call it, The Big Bang Theory. Well, let me tell you this. How can science discover that it is possible to observe that "you" are the biggest entity and "you" can transform back into your ego (body & world)? This is called "enlightenment" (aka, Riding the Ox Backwards). This is a hard observation. It doesn't happen to many people. And, you certainly cannot use a powerful telescope to observe this. If this happens to you suddenly and automatically because you tried to live your life to the fullest, it will be very meaningful. It certainly looks like your karma and everything you do in life to contribute to this world counts a lot.

@Aakash Sometimes it takes trial and error to learn. Once you learn new information, the first baby step is perhaps the hardest. We're programed to follow "the herd," meaning what's familiar. But, there are also drawbacks to taking a new, unfamiliar step. It could also be a big mistake. You got to look at all sides and make the crucial decision. Do your research fully on the topic. And, don't forget to live life to the fullest. That's a must. We all heard of this saying. From my experience, taking that new first step and where to step can be the hardest. In a spiritual journey, well, that's not so easy to explain in just one post, is it? I would recommend that a person not chase it rigidly. It can also come to you suddenly when you decide to live your life fully. The Maslow diagram is accurate. Non-duality and self-transcendence belongs at the top.

Here's a thought/suggestion. Go to the stage turquoise thread. Have a look at those spiritual teachers that Leo and others listed. Pick at least two or three different ones and do research on them. What are they teaching? What's the main idea? For me, I can't stick with just one. I don't want the wrong message.

@Etherial Cat you're totally correct. The topic has been exhausted.

@Andreasyou're taking what I said way off topic again. It's irrelevant and pointless to continue. End of discussion. Helpful quote: