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Yes, you missed my point. It's getting nowhere.

@Truth Addict I'm saying, you're not capable of helping certain ppl on a forum. It takes special/team efforts. Too bad you lack experience to understand what I'm saying.

I have. And, maybe you should because you're the one who said that you cared. If you actually helped someone in these areas, you will understand that it takes more than just a forum to help them. It's a very serious situation, and you assuming about them is not the answer.

Just sharing thoughts to the OP especially. I'm glad that you said that you care for others when it comes to suicidal thoughts (and maybe perhaps mental illnesses). But, here's a question. Have you ever tried to help anyone in real life with a severe mental illness? Because if you have, that's a whole different thing. It gets very serious when their meds are not working anymore. It takes more than just a forum to help them. Real awakenings/enlightenment doesn't trigger suicidal thoughts or anything like that.

I brought up something different in this thread. You might have not noticed. Leo said it's mindreading. It's not. I'm not talking about paranormal abilities. There is a difference between being blessed with the Truth for a moment and actually having paranormal abilities.

You said this already. To me, it's not anything new. When you are God, you don't think any of this is unusual. It's normal. When you embody back into your ego and create the world/universe at the same time, you think this is amazing/grandiose--because now you're back into an ego and your ego think so. Leo, unless the other teachers tell you in full details, you really don't know what the other teachers experienced. They could be summing the whole thing up and calling it, "Riding the Ox Backwards," as a metaphor.

Ok...I wasn't talking about devilry. I wasn't even talking about paranormal abilities. So, that alchemist example is out of the picture. I was talking about an ego being blessed with Truth for a moment.

Ok. So? That's cool, but as a human being (embodied ego), what are you going to do with that knowledge if you actually know how to do this? Bring Albert Einstein back to life?

Yes, I understand that, but an ego won't remember all that. If you're in your human form, you won't remember that. Only God can.

@Rilles @Leo Gura @ajasatya yes, I get what you all are saying, and to me, that's the obvious answer, but I don't mean it that way. I meant, for example, someone was trying to hide his/her "deepest, darkest secret," and this person isn't telling you what it is because this person feels uncomfortable. But, you cannot help this person if you don't know. Then, all of a sudden, you got the insight in full details without this person telling you, and you're able to help this person. (Long story short.)

What about all-knowing? You know, you heard of the saying, "God is all-knowing." Have you experienced that?

Ok. This topic is very important to me. It's not just about 5meo and other strong methods.

Why do you think I'm fighting with him? Is it not ok to point out something?

The bottom line is, it's your choice to do this. You know your path more than anyone else. But, it seems more complex than this. It's just as complex as Spiral Dynamics. For example, if you did not go through stage orange properly, you'll be stuck at green. If you hold onto certain aspects of orange, you'll be stuck at orange. In this case, if you get rid of your "ego" too quickly, you may miss out on something. In my case, for example, hypothetically speaking, if I learned about the 10 Ox Herding Pics, knew exactly what it is, and took 5meo right after that just because someone said it or encouraged me, I think I would have never thought about what is my life purpose path. I wouldn't know the exact components to it. It's not that simple.

Ok, cool then, because I'm about to say something here... I tell myself to be careful whenever these thoughts come into my mind. We really don't know what they've experienced, unless they tried their best telling you and you could relate. Then you may know where they're at. Truth isn't a fad. We all know that millions of copies of the Bible could be printed out and passed out in these mega churches, and they may contain the Truth in them, but doing this will most likely cause harm and dogma rather than spreading the Truth. The same could be true for 5meo. The same could be true for other strong methods. I hope that all these methods are showing you the Truth (including the Bible) in a very authentic way. You see? I'm trying to say something here. Right now, because of technology, it's easy to just go on the internet and follow anything just because it worked out for someone else. We're all embodied as an ego. So, we all have different karmas. Karma is very profound. Our paths are not going to be the same.

I'm also thinking, if a person doesn't empty the mind and self-reflect objectively (as much as possible), the person doesn't know where he/she is at on the path. If he/she blindly takes up a method, it's not that much different than following the Bible literally and blindly just because someone else said so.

Hey..wait a minute, did you just assume here that I have no spiritual growth/experience or lack of? Did you just say that I just read from books? I think if you did that, or if I did that to myself (in my life purpose or wherever), then I'm probably going to misguide someone or myself in the path. You can't just assume. Some ppl (myself included) did not self reflect enough to realize they already had something happen to them. The question is, if this happens, and they just went ahead and tried a hardcore method, this may misguide them. This isn't relative truth. It doesn't follow rational logic.

I just told him about nirvana, but I'm not sure he heard me. Well, it's really his choice to listen or not and to check it out. We can only control what we can do in our own life purpose. Tbh, I'm not sure if 5meo could change your karma/fate. Karma is also another factor and extremely profound.

I said it in the LP area, in the art thread already. I haven't updated that. Currently, I'm in the process of fully becoming self-employed.

I just added to my previous comment.

I heard that already from Leo. In my life purpose, I'm not going to go around and tell ppl, "once you awaken...etc." They might take that as judging. One has to be a good listener and not just tell ppl where they are on their path. Only they know.

Yeah...ok...if you put it that way. Nothingness = God, and you create everything, including you (ego) and world (ego). You said that already. Anyway, my point was not to argue against 5meo. That was not my intention. I just wanted to see if there is anything else. Btw, I read a book that I suspect nirvana. The subjects have the freewill to go to any realms anytime, including become one with God (nothingness). They could also choose to reincarnate on earth to sacrifice their lives for the purpose of helping someone/others. But, as I recall in your post toward me, you passed this off as stage green, and told me to be careful. I don't consider this to be stage green. Of course, we all have to live our lives to the fullest and not get so caught up in these things. Learn from them without being caught up or obsessed. You still have to live your life to the fullest and find your purpose. This won't end till your death. Then, you'll find out what happens to you.

@Leo Gura I would like to hear the difference then, if there are any, in a video, in a book? In whatever? No? To me, everythingness is just more relative distinctions from nothingness. Nothing is beyond nothingness. Looks like he's right. What else is 5meo teaching you that's not part of everythingness?