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It made me tear up too, we can hope for a better day

Even though I think there is a slim chance it'll happen, actually a really slim one, I hope he'll be inclined to take that step towards enlightenment if he loses the election. He'll be "the best Shaman there is". We can only hope for a better day

In that case @Leo Gura, can there be such a thing as ethical Zionism, just like the concept of ethical entrepreneurship and business?

Don't mean to "moderate" you @questionreality, but this is an excerpt from the guidelines Leo shared related to this sub-forum. "This sub-forum is meant to be a nuanced (Spiral Dynamics Tier 2) discussion of politics, not a culture war. Discuss political issues from a systemic level. Be here with an open mind. Be here to learn. If you are just here spreading your pet ideology you will probably end up banned. Make your arguments without resorting to personal insults, name-calling, or strawmanning. Be nuanced and understanding of the complexities of social issues. Things are rarely black & white in this domain. Usually every POV has some degree of partial truth so it's a matter of carefully sorting through the nuances."

@questionreality There's no need for name-calling, and I can see you are new to this forum, please refrain from that here, it's not the place for it. This is an open forum where we are free to have our own opinions on political and societal matters. I appreciate you sharing what you shared about the video interview Durov had with CNN, it shines more light on this matter.

One possible obstacle to that privacy being maintained is what you had shared some time before about the types of people that get recruited into these intelligence agencies, and end up over time making decisions in superior positions at those agencies, that affect the rest of us. Maintenance of privacy of communications between private citizens is unlikely a priority for them obviously. The question on my mind is what are the top values/priorities that are on their mind when they operate?

This could be a new thread, but this does open up room for discussion around the ethics surrounding the conduct of the NSA and other intelligence agencies in how they "spy" on us, in order to stop terrorist acts. I enjoyed watching the video that you shared @Leo Gura about how the CIA operates, curious to know if you feel compelled to share, what degree of "spying" on encrypted and non-encrypted communications is ethically permissible in your opinion ?

It'll be interesting to see how "moderately fair" the judges are in his criminal trial. No pun intended lol I do have to say though, that I've seen far too many news reports out there over the last several years about criminals and terrorists taking advantage of the lack of moderation on telegram to conduct their affairs. This is messy, but yes I agree that private messages should be where moderation stops.

From what I've read so far, in a nutshell, Durov is basically at fault for failing to take action to curb the criminal use of his platform. If proven, that alone would carry enough weight to justify criminal charges against him.

@Leo Gura Update from CNN today. French authorities have detained Pavel Durov, the French-Russian billionaire who founded the messaging app Telegram, at an airport outside Paris, according to CNN affiliate BFMTV. Officers from France’s anti-fraud office, attached to French customs, took him into custody Saturday evening after he arrived at Bourget Airport on a flight from Azerbaijan, BFMTV reported. Durov, 39, was wanted under a French arrest warrant due to the lack of moderation on Telegram which led to it being used for money laundering, drug trafficking and sharing pedophilic content, according to BFMTV.

Yes, I also agree with public group chats being moderated to prevent illegal or harmful activity, my interest is in the debate on where that line needs to be drawn, and less on whether it needs to be drawn or not

Yes, I was glad to see the news of his arrest. More moderate moderation is needed, not less, as so-called freedom of speech fighters ask for

Durov was arrested as he had a French arrest warrant out for him, due to the lack of moderation on Telegram which led to it being used for money laundering, drug trafficking, and sharing pedophilic content. I wouldn't call that a targeted attack on freedom of speech

Lol, I met him randomly one day, while he was filming some kind of movie, and he agreed to take a photo

@Emerald It's refreshing to read your take on that. Personally, creating a more robust social circle has been incredibly difficult for me, given that I become selectively social, the more I progress and grow on this path. It's like the pool of possible connections that I can meet is becoming narrower and narrower with time.

It makes me feel like I'm about to have an orgasm visualizing that, but then again orgasms are also beautiful

True Dat

@Leo Gura if you mind shedding some light on what Beauty you are specifically or non-specifically referring to, is it everything and anything, in all its depth and breadth?

Nelk boys are soo far away from the teachings that are shared here, it's like they might as well be living on another planet, I definitely resonate with Leo's previous posts about being very selective about which public intellectuals he chooses to have discussions/debates with, as many Big Youtube channels out there are not interested/ready for the type of nuanced, unbiased, and high-level teachings that @Leo Gura shares with us

Yesssssss

Gosh this one hit me hard, this is tragic to hear that sexual frustration is that freaking bad, that even big lizards are being raped...

Will watch this after work @Buck Edwards, What are your major takeaways from it?

This hits hard and deep for me personally, I've drastically reduced the number of people over the years that I socialize with to the number of fingers on my Beautiful hand, and don't regret it one bit. I have very fucking low tolerance now for human BS, Drama, etc. I socialize very seldomly, with a select number of individuals for only a short period of time, otherwise I'm learning to embrace my "aloneness" and enjoy BEing with myself and what unfolds every day around me.

@Princess Arabia I appreciate you seeing and feeling where I'm at, yes I find it incredibly frustrating because I can only do so much from where I'm at <3