Evelyna

Yes, but it is a lot different from using suggestion or placebo, or maybe we use suggestion and placebo thoughts all the time no matter the style of meditation, my point was about effectiveness more than anything. What you believe about the benefits of a particular meditation practice plays a role in how effective it feels to you. Meditation practices are subjective and not easily measurable because the effects are highly personal. When you doing your sitting type of meditation you can not tell me you have zero expectations, no intention, no thoughts , no emotions, and no knowledge and no opinion about the particular technique you re using, all of those play a role in overall benefits, its not the meditation itself that brings about change or effect it is how you navigate it using all sensations and what you know or accept about its benefits, meditation is a tool, a system built by us humans. The main characteristic of a good meditation is that you feel better for having done it. The tradition or the style is not as important as the experience itself. A lot of confusion exists about the subject of meditation. Most of that is due to the fact that so many people associate the word with a specific form or a particular religion. Meditation is simply the act of putting your attention on a limited area of focus for a particular period of time and for the purpose of changing oneself in a particular way. This is what distinguishes it from mere reverie, daydreaming, fantasy, reading for entertainment or learning, and playing or observing a game. Most usually the word meditation refers to inner-directed attention, but there are exceptions to that, such as some Zen-style meditations for example .

??? Placebo??? Suggestion ??? Where you getting this from? You misunderstood

I personally think it is absolutely reasonable to accept that hiking meditation can be as good as sitting one, here I think the effects of it will depend on your own believes more then anything else, if you have association that sitting down and focusing brings better results , then for you it will of course. I like to keep it flexible and get the same benefits from either type of meditation, why limit myself I don't think this is really measurable or comparable as it will be dependant on the individual.

I would say it is generated all the time , attention is the word we looking for , your attention is not on everything all the time and so we tend to miss certain sensations although they are there.

Sensations are always present but your attention is elsewhere, energy flows where attention goes 😊 and attention goes where energy flows.

Hmmm as I am reading through the forum this is probably the most common topic, how to get to the awakening. Have you ever thought that you are already awakened but having an earth experience right now where you just don't remember you have no limits? Following this idea there would be very little point in becoming awakened , since we are already there , to phrase this differently we are trying to remember what it is like being awakened while having an earth experience, this would be more accurate. Gosh, most people chase the idea of awakening , we are already there , we just don't remember it. My goal was not to become awakened in this earth life , but to experience this particular type of existence , somehow I know i've already had that experience of awakening , now I'm experiencing something different, all of those techniques, programs, systems, just to try and remember something we have already experienced I prefer to use those systems to enjoy this current experience I get to have, and so I enjoy the life itself and this beautiful earth

@quantumspiral I think it is less about motivation and more about being realistic on to what you can actually do about it. I think you may be feeling helpless towards all the things you find unjust , unfair and so on, and that is a fair feeling since you can't help absolutely everyone. You could focus more on the present moment in your own life, perhaps read, watch less of the worlds news as this can influence/ trigger your emotions. Within your mind you can always send love in to the world, the most calming images , peace , and that is something you CAN do, whatever we imagine already exists , using symbols to send positive emotions , feelings and so on works great for both sides, we are all always connected in some way which we can't explain. |Yes this world needs a lot of healing , but If we can not heal our immediate environment how can we heal the world? Well, your closest environment is a good place to start, staying exactly there , in the present, while sending out symbols to the rest of the world can balance out nicely, and if you want to help with physical action, help those who need help around you first, do what you can do and you are able to offer help to those who are close by , in your town , city , at your work place , in you local store. etc... Kindness spreads just like lies do, your kindness can influence others to do the same and that is a huge help for this world!! I am reminded of directions to use oxygen mask on a plane in case of emergency , they always say that mother should put on a mask first before the child to be able to help the child, take care of the child, I guess its kind of like that

I am totally on topic!! A loving person would just apologise for their behaviour not try to excuse it by driving a subject matter on to something else, im not surprised by your reaction I expected just that, do you even see what you have just done? Do you see how unloving you are? I wish for you to have less stress in your life, to experience actual love and understand it, I wish you as many good loving people around you as possible, you sure really need it, and when you have it you will be naturally more loving and less critical towards everyone. I wish you ALOHA ( aloha means love ) I'm going to leave it here I won't write anything further.

Through your replies , easy to see , you even attacked me at some point and as I am reading through the forum its pretty clear you really are not a loving person, if you are so so loving , your replies should always match what you preaching. I don't have the best experience with you and usually I just leave it alone as it is pointless to argue with you , or argue in general, but I will not stay quiet when you think yourself some teacher and think you can advise people on LOVE, I don't think you even know what it means to be loving , I sure am learning how to be more loving towards people like you. with love..

Well, if this advise came from a loving person , great, but you should definitely practise your own words more, advising on being more loving and not being that makes this advise not valid. I've experienced your not lovingness on this forum from you , like many other people, so my advise to you is to practise what you preach. With love..

Have you tried changing something that you are doing? From my experience , the '' situation'' stopped popping up when I changed how I viewed it, what I thought about it, my reaction to the situation with this I changed my behaviour and overall attitude about it. It works for me every time , if something repeats I know I have to change something I am doing or it just won't go away in fact if I don't take action situation most likely will magnify. There's also a cool shamanic technique I use often it can be used for pretty much any situastion or a problem. Shamanic world view is mainly symbolic, in this technique you close your eyes, bring your self to present moment and within your mind ask for a symbol of the situation, some kind of image should show up, it really could be anything , once you see the image put your attention on it and then change something about it, for example if an image is a storm at sea , calm the storm and make the sun come out. I do hope it will resolve for you

@Kuba Powiertowski interesting, this quote is from a Saint Anselm journal , here's what google says about it : The quote, "it is easy to be saint in heaven, it is easy to forgive the saint, where you forgive the devil, that you forgive yourself" is not from the Bible, but from The Saint Anselm Journal: The Saint Anselm Journal: In the Fall 2017 issue of The Saint Anselm Journal, the teaching states that the devil is unable to repent for his first sin and receive forgiveness. In contrast, humans are portrayed as repeatedly sinning, repenting, and being forgiven

@Razard86 I agree, I often become lucid within the dream, aware, its not up to me which dream I become aware of, but I also have rewinded dreams, paused dreams, moved objects, went flying, jumped from one dream to another. What I did notice is that I have zero doubts within the dream , it is almost like you think of something and it happens instantly but you don't analyse what happened, there's no questioning of bizarre things that are happening, it just is, this happens, then next thing happens and so on, they only seem to be bizarre when I wake up and recall the dream So I think some parts of our perception and evaluation work in slightly different way in the dream. Also the memory of the dreams feels just like any other memory you would have, it's a fun exercise to recall a memory of an event that took place in waking life and then recall memory of a dream you can remember , both re call identically, like a real event, meaning a memory of a dream is exactly the same as memory of waking life events, isn't that interesting ?

@Princess Arabia I think I find the word beingness problematic in understanding your point, its synonyms include being and existence, English isn't my first language and sometimes I have to still look up some words. Thanks for explaining I see your point now.

@Princess Arabia so in short - existence is what is observed, while beingness is the part of you that observes Your true self goes beyond thoughts and feelings—it sees them. 💕💕

@James123 I don’t care about your assumptions😊 this was funny , thanks for making me laugh.

I respectfully disagree😊

@James123 Suffering? Never! I love my life and love this planet I choose to enjoy this experience clearly a lot more then you do, I don’t suffer neither do I think my experience here is one of suffering, yes we both spirit and physical , and while I get to be here in this experience wether it is an illusion or not I choose to just experience everything in the present moment as much as I can, this does not mean I suffer.

Got ya, thanks. However here, on this planet love has some conditions, and here on this planet everything has some rules so the reference to universal love isn’t very relevant here since we are not living out there in the spirit world fully, the non physical, where rules are most likely very different to here and unconditional universal love is somewhat easy and obvious I guess, here is the planet of limitations and even love is slightly limited to us, that’s the whole point of this experience , to experience what it’s like to not be able to love universally.

@gettoefl Just don’t blow up at me once you read this…. This is my own personal perspective on the subject and I am not trying to convince you to accept the same, we all choose what we believe is true to us, here’s my perspective ; ego isn’t an evil creature praying on us, I can never understand why people make ego in to something they must fight against. It has zero power !!!! Call it what you like , “ego” is nothing more then part of your perception that you have created yourself and so you command it, you decide, ego doesn’t do anything on its own, you make all the decisions when it comes to your behaviour , using ego as an excuse for one’s own decisions is not acceptable to me personally. However you can absolutely create yourself an experience where you turn ego in to a thought form ergo a being of its own within you. Personally I don’t bother with it, nothing within me is dependent on anything else rather then my own thoughts , actions and behaviours, I decide that 😊.

Finding love means giving up the self? What kind of love are you referring to?

@Vynce You know I am not sure if I can agree that LOVE = Truth also. Truth is a funny little thing and turns out meaning of truth can be different for different people, the definition itself is being often bent, and reshaped depending on personal experiences and the meaning we give that word. the perspective I have is this: 1- the effectiveness is a measure of truth - here I mean , when something is effective for me, it is true for me, importance of me is massive here. However I keep this flexible because i may find/discover another way , another something that will be even more effective and then this will become the truth. 2- love is to be happy with something or someone Again this is my individual view. Another thing worth mentioning is that most people do not understand what it means to love because they do not love themselves first. Here we can easily make a mistake in understanding what love for self or loving yourself means. It means to treat yourself like someone you love, like someone you are happy with. I really believe it starts right there with the self, working on it, developing self love automatically changes your view of the world around you and allows you to experience love in a different way

@Da77en I know a technique to dissolve the feeling of fear, when I say dissolve I don't mean completely getting rid of fear, fear is a part of our whole system and is important to be where it is , simply by releasing tension and re focusing your attention, we can use our breath to focus on , relax our muscles and release tension, this will bring you to a present , neutral moment where you can think clearly and decide wether the feeling of fear is needed here or not or wether it has a good basis for being present or is it your imagination that expanded it to enormous size. When we feel fear certain muscles get tense in our bodies through relaxation of those muscles we can influence the feeling of fear to be a lot less intense. I never think of fear as something I need to let go of because I know how valuable and useful fear can be, I also know that as humans we are able to create any experience for ourselves this includes the experience of escalating fear, we are able to create the experience in which we will be afraid of a lot of things all the time, and it will feel very real, but we can also choose not to do that. So in summary I think what young humans should learn is the fact that they have a choice in how they prefer to feel about any situation, that we can literary choose our experience because we create it. I really don't like to make an enemy of fear or anger, I prefer to integrate it and use it as tools to help me navigate my own feelings and emotions, like parts of the compass, if its there it is there to be useful. The way you look at it in my view is a little complicated and makes the fear in to a being of its own, when in reality it is just a part of our system and serves us a purpose if you know how to use it. The important thing to learn is trust, because trust doesn't let the fear to take over, trust that whatever is happening always works out beneficially to you, trust in your own self and the ability to create your experience. ''What would I have to believe is true in order to be feeling this fear?'' - this is something that Bashar says a lot, did you reference Bashar? Bashar applies it to everything , not just fear, and it is a useful fraise and effective but only if you fully understand what it says . As useful as it is I find it a touch too long to perform , it takes a lot less time to just release tension and re focus attention to the present moment, this is in my case of course im not speaking for anyone else.

@kavaris Have you ever thought of discipline and freedom as complementary rather than contradictory? Think of it as setting an intention—a direction or goal—but allowing room for surprises along the way. In the end, you’re right: the most exciting discoveries often come unexpectedly. It’s about setting the stage for them to happen, then letting them surprise you. Inspiration and self-discovery often have cycles. Sometimes you’ll feel clear and motivated, and other times it’s all about exploring random ideas without needing immediate results. Rather than ‘forcing’ belief, you could practice trust—trust that your ideas will evolve and take shape at their own pace, with moments of both control and spontaneity.

@Genius100x I like the fact you emphasised “ my experience”. When people write replies they often forget that everyone has a different experience/perspective. It’s wonderful that we all have different perspectives , it’s all lessons in a way, I always learn a lot from conversations like this and by discussing different views in a harmonised flow can help someone make a choice on what perspective they want to take on or not. Thank you Genius100x for good talk !!!