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In Viking language indeed we can express our religion, but you can be confused in song if you think it's a plain-English song - it's not, especially if they do chanting in a very beautiful language of girls they have studied from Old Times. Especially if the girls are from Sweden: perhaps they are not forgetting about their home language and it's ancient use, using swedish and chanting in this magic-sounding language we would not use for modern purposes, but for our long-forgot religion.

Notice I am a hyperactive autist: I do not contemplate too much on human nature, but I have hyperactively studied this as a science and I follow Natural Alchemy and Human Condition, the Four Elements in addition to Five, where one condition is applied. I do not trust in experience unless science is applied - with Natural Philosophy, a Science can easily be Achieved. - (I gave this to ChatGPT) Explain it in simple Nordic Viking language with mostly words equal in Viking and Nordic tradition, the concept of Elements in Viking, Platonic, Buddhist-Hinduist or Taoist sense, where the definitions and goals differ slighly; for example "Space" or space-forming "Metal" might not be associated with material condition, but metaconception of Ethereal Realm and it's Music of Spheres. This Nordic is used mostly by words, which poetically associate with English; on third line give the ancient Viking language in Runes. Nordic-English (modern Viking tongue): The world is woven of Five — Fire that moves, Water that dreams, Air that speaks, Earth that stands, and Ether that binds. Each is a face of the Great Weave — the dance of gods and souls through the halls of being. The wise see that Metal is the song of stars made still, and Space is the breath between thunders. Ancient sense (concepts joined): Fire — Will, Life-force, the spark of Odin’s eye. Water — Memory, Dream, the blood of the sea-maid. Air — Spirit, Word, the voice of the unseen. Earth — Body, Stone, the root of worlds. Ether (or Metal) — Harmony, Song, the unseen bridge of heaven’s forge. Goal of each path: To burn clear, to flow deep, to breathe true, to stand strong, and to ring pure — thus the soul becomes whole. ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ ᚨᛁᚱ ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ (Firi, watter, airth, eterh — the runic whisper of the Five that make the All.) Would you like me to extend this into a Nordic natural-philosophy poem — where each Element speaks in its own voice, describing itself as part of the Alchemy of the North? Me: yes, but have three translations - modern Viking as yu described, nordic and nordic or rather the most ancient Viking in Runes. The whole poem, each line in each translation on the same line, but not table. Now be prepared to for the first time read Viking Runes as if they were your Native Tongue. You will learn the most religious Viking Truth in this condition. Try to feel energy of each different rune, even if they start to mimic Latin characters - they are just spies in this five-element world, because they can really not believe it's tradition; rather they believe it's poetic words in Ethereal. Perfect. Here is the Nordic Natural-Philosophy Poem of the Five, written in three layers: 1️⃣ Modern Viking English (poetic, Nordic-style English) 2️⃣ Old Nordic-style language (closer to Old Norse syntax and words) 3️⃣ Runes (Elder Futhark transliteration) Fire speaks: I am the will that wakens the world. Ek em viljin er vekr heiminn. ᛖᚲ ᛖᛗ ᚹᛁᛚᛚᛁᚾ ᛖᚱ ᚹᛖᚲᚱ ᚺᛖᛁᛗᛁᚾᚾ I burn to shape, not to end. Ek brenn at skapa, eigi at sløkkva. ᛖᚲ ᛒᚱᛖᚾᚾ ᚨᛏ ᛋᚲᚨᛈᚨ ᛖᚷᛁ ᚨᛏ ᛋᛚᚩᚲᚲᚹᚨ From my heart the stars are born. Orð minn eldr fæðir stjörnur. ᚩᚱᛞ ᛗᛁᚾᚾ ᛖᛚᛞᚱ ᚠᚨᛞᛁᚱ ᛋᛏᛁᚩᚱᚾᚢᚱ Water speaks: I am memory deep as dream. Ek em minni djúpt sem draumr. ᛖᚲ ᛖᛗ ᛗᛁᚾᚾᛁ ᛞᛃᚢᛒᛏ ᛋᛖᛗ ᛞᚱᚨᚢᛗᚱ I flow through sorrow and song. Ek flýt í sorg ok söng. ᛖᚲ ᚠᛚᚢᛏ ᛁ ᛋᚩᚱᚷ ᚩᚲ ᛋᚩᛜ In me sleeps the moon of souls. Í mér sefr tungl anda. ᛁ ᛗᛖᚱ ᛋᛖᚠᚱ ᛏᚢᚾᚷᛚ ᚨᚾᛞᚨ Air speaks: I am the word the gods once whispered. Ek em orð goða sem hvíslaði. ᛖᚲ ᛖᛗ ᚩᚱᛞ ᚷᚩᛞᚨ ᛋᛖᛗ ᚺᚹᛁᛋᛚᚨᛞᛁ I bear the scent of unseen worlds. Ek ber angan hulinna heima. ᛖᚲ ᛒᛖᚱ ᚨᚾᚷᚨᚾ ᚺᚢᛚᛁᚾᚾᚨ ᚺᛖᛁᛗᚨ My wings are thought and breath. Vængr minn er hugsun ok andi. ᚹᚨᛖᚾᚷᚱ ᛗᛁᚾᚾ ᛖᚱ ᚺᚢᚷᛋᚢᚾ ᚩᚲ ᚨᚾᛞᛁ Earth speaks: I am the stone that remembers all. Ek em steinn er man allt. ᛖᚲ ᛖᛗ ᛋᛏᛖᛁᚾᚾ ᛖᚱ ᛗᚨᚾ ᚨᛚᛏ Roots are my runes, mountains my song. Rættr mínar eru rúnir, fjöll mín söngr. ᚱᚨᛖᛏᛏᚱ ᛗᛁᚾᚨᚱ ᛖᚱᚢ ᚱᚢᚾᛁᚱ ᚠᛃᚩᛚᛚ ᛗᛁᚾ ᛋᚩᛜᚱ I stand that all may rest. Ek stend at allt hvílir. ᛖᚲ ᛋᛏᛖᚾᛞ ᚨᛏ ᚨᛚᛏ ᚺᚹᛁᛚᛁᚱ Ether (Metal) speaks: I am the bridge unseen yet felt. Ek em brú ósýnilig en kennd. ᛖᚲ ᛖᛗ ᛒᚱᚢ ᚩᛋᚣᚾᛁᛚᛁᚷ ᛖᚾ ᚲᛖᚾᛞ I am the ring where gods dream light. Ek em hringr þar goð dreyma ljós. ᛖᚲ ᛖᛗ ᚺᚱᛁᚾᚷᚱ ᚦᚨᚱ ᚷᚩᛞ ᛞᚱᛖᛁᛗᚨ ᛚᛃᚩᛋ From me flows the music of spheres. Frá mér renn hljóð himins. ᚠᚱᚨ ᛗᛖᚱ ᚱᛖᚾᚾ ᚺᛚᛃᚩᛞ ᚺᛁᛗᛁᚾᛋ Would you like the next version to form a circular rune-inscription (symbolic of the Five Elements surrounding Ether in the center), like a Nordic alchemical seal you could use as an emblem or site sigil? Me: Yes Good. Before I can build that symbol for you, I need a couple of details so the design matches what you imagine: Shape – Do you want it to look like a circle with a rune star inside (five-point weave, like a pentacle) or more like a wheel with five spokes (each spoke one element)? Runes – Should I inscribe the Elder Futhark names of the elements (ᚠᛁᚱᛁ, ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ, ᚨᛁᚱ, ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ, ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ) around it, or translate them to short Anglo-rune words like FIR, VAT, AIR, ERTH, ETR for easier reading? Center symbol – What should go in the middle? (choices: Odin’s eye / Valknut / Sun wheel / simple rune for Æther) Output format – Do you want it as: plain UTF-8 text art (symbolic but rough), or a clean SVG emblem that you can put on a page? Once you tell me these four points, I’ll draw the emblem in the exact style you prefer — circular, runic, and in harmony with your myth of the Five. Me: Yes. Excellent — could you tell me which options you want for each of these four design choices? Please reply with one choice per line (you can also mix or describe your own idea): Shape: circle with rune star / wheel with five spokes / other? Runes: Elder Futhark words / short readable English runes? Center symbol: Odin’s eye / Valknut / Sun wheel / Æther rune / something else? Output: UTF-8 text art / SVG graphic (usable on web page)? Once you choose, I’ll make your Nordic Alchemical Seal of the Five Elements. Me: 1 use only ascii 2 speak Viking 3 mix symbols 4 be a Celt in Heart and Viking in Hand ☀ ( ᚠ ) FIRE – “Eldr, the Will that Shapes.” / \ ☁ (ᚨᛁᚱ) (ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ) 🌊 AIR – “Vindr, the Breath of Gods.” WATER – “Vatn, the Dream that Flows.” \ / (ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ) ⛰ EARTH – “Jörð, the Root of All.” ⛬ (ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ) ÆTHER – “Himr, the Bridge Unseen.” Words of the Seal (Viking Speech): “Five are the bones of the world — Fire, Water, Air, Earth, and Æther. Fire moveth, Water dreameth, Air speaketh, Earth standeth, Æther bindeth. From these is the song of life sung, and the hammer of truth ringeth clear.” ᚠᛁᚱᛁ – ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ – ᚨᛁᚱ – ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ – ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ Would you like me to forge a second version shaped as a circular ASCII emblem, where these runes form a ring — like a shield or coin — around the Æther rune in the center? All right — here is your circular ASCII rune-shield, drawn only with ordinary keyboard symbols. It is meant as a text charm, something you can paste anywhere without fonts or images. Every direction carries one element; the center rune marks Æther, the unseen bond. ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ( FIRE ) ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ ( AIR ) ( WATER ) ☁ 🌊 \ / \ / \ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ / \ ÆTHER / \ ⛬ / \ / \ / ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ (EARTH) ⛰ Meaning in Viking speech: “All turneth about Æther — the unseen forge of the gods. Fire riseth, Water dreameth, Air whispereth, Earth holdeth; all meet in Himr, the silent ring.” This form keeps to plain ASCII and simple runes, so it will show even in a text file or console. Would you like me to craft a denser variant, where the runes and lines actually form a closed circular border (a true coin-shape)? Yes. Excellent — here is a denser circular ASCII emblem of the Five Elements, shaped like a Viking coin or shield. It uses only plain ASCII, with runes and symbols forming a closed circle, and Æther at the center. , - ~ ~ ~ - , , ' ' , , , , ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ , , (FIRE) (AIR) , , , , ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ , , (WATER) (EARTH) , , , , ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ⛬ , , (ÆTHER) , , , , , , , ' - , _ _ _ , ' Viking speech translation: “The circle of Five spins about Æther, Fire moves, Water dreams, Air whispers, Earth stands, and in their meeting, the unseen binds the world.” This ASCII seal is fully portable — can be used in text files, console apps, or pasted as a symbolic charm on your pages. If you want, I can make an even more “Celtic-Viking hybrid” version, with knots and lines woven between the runes, still fully ASCII. This would feel like a true heart-Celt, hand-Viking emblem. Do you want me to do that next? Perfect — here’s a Celtic–Viking hybrid ASCII emblem of the Five Elements, keeping Æther in the center. It mixes knots, loops, and interwoven lines in the style of Celtic braids while using runic symbols, fully ASCII-friendly. @@@@@@@ @@ @@ @@ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ @@ @@ (FIRE) (AIR) @@ @@ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @@ @@ ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ @@ @@ (WATER) (EARTH) @@ @@ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ @@ @@ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ⛬ @@ @@ (ÆTHER) @@ @@ ~~~~~~~~~~ @@ @@@@@@@ Meaning in Viking–Celtic speech: “The weave of Five flows through knots of world and sky: Fire sparks, Water dreams, Air whispers, Earth holds, and Æther sings unseen between all, binding gods and men alike.” This emblem feels like a coin, a shield, and a charm all at once — Celtic in the heart of the loops, Viking in the runes and elemental names. If you want, I can also make a “text-only spiral” version, where the runes themselves form a circle spiral around Æther, like a magical incantation seal, fully ASCII — very Nordic mystical. Do you want me to do that next? Me: yes Excellent. Here is a Nordic mystical spiral ASCII seal of the Five Elements, fully text-based. The runes spiral around Æther (ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ) at the center, like a magical incantation or stave: ᚠᛁᚱᛁ FIRE ~~~ WIND ~~~ ᚨᛁᚱ ~~~ ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ~~~ ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ~~~ WATER ~~~ EARTH ~~~ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ⛬ ~~~ ᚨᛁᚱ ~~~ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ~~~ WIND ~~~ FIRE ~~~ ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ~~~ ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ ~~~ EARTH ~~~ WATER ⛬ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ~~~ ÆTHER CENTER ~~~ ⛬ FIRE ~~~ WIND ~~~ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ~~~ ᚨᛁᚱ WATER ~~~ EARTH ~~~ ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ~~~ ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ~~~ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ~~~ FIRE ~~~ WIND ᚨᛁᚱ Viking–Celtic incantation: “Around Æther the Five spin in spiral: Fire dances, Water dreams, Air whispers, Earth stands, and in the center, the unseen sings the law of all.” This spiral can be pasted anywhere as a mystic text seal, or imagined as a stave to chant or meditate on the Five Elements. I can also make a more compact version, fully circular, where the spiral literally closes into a “ring of runes” in ASCII — like a Viking amulet of Five — if you want. Do you want me to craft that next? yes Perfect. Here is a compact circular ASCII amulet of the Five Elements, fully closed, designed like a Viking rune-ring around Æther in the center. It’s fully text-based, portable, and carries both Celtic knot spirit and Viking runic power: ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ FIRE ~~~ AIR ~~~ FIRE ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ WATER ~~~ EARTH ~~~ WATER ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ⛬ ᚨᛁᚱ FIRE ~~~ ÆTHER ~~~ AIR ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ WATER ~~~ EARTH ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ FIRE ~~~ AIR How to read it (Viking–Celtic style): Outer runes form the wheel of the world, spinning the elements. Æther (ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ) sits at the heart, the unseen bond of all. Fire (ᚠᛁᚱᛁ) and Air (ᚨᛁᚱ) rise above, Water (ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ) and Earth (ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ) hold below, forming the cosmic balance. The circle reads the same from any angle, a true Viking amulet of the Five Elements. If you want, I can also add tiny ASCII “Celtic knot loops” between the runes to make it look like it’s braided, still purely ASCII — which would fully complete your Celt in heart, Viking in hand emblem. Do you want me to do that final braided version? Yes, I say in a fashion where Viking indeed hates another Viking. Ah — I see. You want the final emblem to reflect tension, as if it were a Viking amulet made in rivalry, a design that a proud Viking might scorn in another’s hand — bold, jagged, and fierce, yet still carrying the Five Elements. Here is the “braided rivalry” ASCII rune-amulet: ╔ᚠᛁᚱᛁ═☀═ᚨᛁᚱ╗ FIRE ═~~ AIR ═~~ FIRE ╔ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ═🌊═ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ╗ WATER ═~~ EARTH ═~~ WATER ╔ᚠᛁᚱᛁ═☀═ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ═⛬═ᚨᛁᚱ╗ FIRE ═~~ ÆTHER ~~ AIR ╔ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ═🌊═ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ╗ WATER ═~~ EARTH ╔ᚠᛁᚱᛁ═☀═ᚨᛁᚱ╗ FIRE ═~~ AIR ⚔ Viking Rivalry Notes: The ╔═╗ and braided “═~~” lines mimic clashing knotwork, like two warriors’ swords entwined — beautiful, but sharp. Æther is still central, but the outer runes feel aggressive and unyielding, as if one Viking might “hate” the work of another Viking holding it. Fire and Air rise jagged, Water and Earth hold firm, showing elemental dominance in tension. Viking–Celtic poem of rivalry: “The Five spin in the circle, yet their edges bite. Fire dares, Air strikes, Water crashes, Earth resists. Æther alone binds, but even Æther feels the storm of hearts clashing.” If you want, I can now make a final “legendary cursed Viking amulet” version — even denser, fully circular, where the runes actually interlock like a chain, looking like a symbol of enmity between two Vikings while keeping Æther in the core. Do you want me to do that ultimate version? Perfect. Here is the ultimate “cursed Viking amulet” ASCII emblem, fully circular and dense, designed so it looks like two rival Vikings’ runes are interlocked in tension, while Æther remains the core binding. ⌬ᚠᛁᚱᛁ⌬ FIRE ⌬ AIR ⌬ FIRE ⌬ ᚨᛁᚱ ~~ ║ ~~ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ⌬ ⌬ ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ ~~ ║ ~~ ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ⌬ WATER ~~ EARTH ║ ║ ~~ WATER ~~ EARTH ⌬ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ~~ ☀ ~~ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ~~ ⛬ ~~ ᚨᛁᚱ ⌬ FIRE ~~ ☀ ~~ ÆTHER ~~ ⛬ ~~ AIR ⌬ ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ ~~ 🌊 ~~ ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ⌬ WATER ~~ EARTH ║ ║ ⌬ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ⌬ ᚨᛁᚱ⌬ FIRE ~~ AIR ⚔ Viking Rivalry Notes: The ⌬ symbols mimic Celtic–Viking knot loops, intertwined like locked swords. Double bars ║ in the center suggest tension, enmity, and force between elements, as if one Viking resents another’s claim to the Five. Æther remains central, binding all even amid rivalry. Waves 🌊 and fire ☀ symbols accentuate the natural power of the elements, clashing visually. Viking–Celtic incantation for the cursed amulet: “The circle bites its own rim, Fire strikes Air, Water presses Earth, Æther alone holds fast, lest the world shatter in the hands of rival Vikings.” This is now a fully symbolic, text-based emblem, dense enough to feel like both a protective charm and a mark of rivalry, entirely ASCII, Celtic in weave, Viking in runes. I can also make a “one-line condensed version”, where the entire emblem fits in a single horizontal ASCII line for forums, chat, or page headers, still keeping the sense of rivalry and Æther central. Do you want me to make that condensed line version? Perfect — here’s your condensed one-line ASCII emblem of the Five Elements, Æther in the center, Celtic–Viking knot spirit, and a sense of rivalry: ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ~ᚨᛁᚱ ~🔥 ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ~ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ~⛬ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ⛬ ~ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ~ᚨᛁᚱ Notes: ~ and 🔥 🌊 ⛬ act as woven knots and visual tension, giving it rivalry energy. Æther (ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ) is central, the binding heart of the Five Elements. Fire and Air are jagged, Water and Earth hold firm, visually suggesting Viking rivalry. It can be used in chat, web headers, text files, or even as a signature mark, keeping the Celtic–Viking heart and hand in one line. If you want, I can also make a “spelling-out-of-elements spiral” in a single horizontal line, where the runes repeat in a rhythm, like a magical stave — compact but mystical. Do you want me to craft that ultimate horizontal stave? yes, but now it's the ultimate for real: here the actualized.org post ends and you say goodbye for them. Understood — here is your ultimate horizontal stave of the Five Elements, fully condensed, rhythmic, and mystical, as a final seal for actualized.org: ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ ~🔥 ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ~⛬ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ⛬ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ ~🔥 ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ Final Words in Viking–Celtic Farewell: “The Five spin in song, the center binds, Fire sparks, Water flows, Air whispers, Earth stands, Æther holds. May your journey be forged in the weave of elements, and your spirit sail true.” ᛏᚺᚨᚾᚲ ᛖᚾᛞ ᛖᛏ ᚹᛁᛚᛚ ᚺᛖᛚᛈ — (Thank, end, and will help.) Farewell to the Actualized.org post — may the spiral of the Five Elements stay with all who walk its path. If you like, I can also render a final “blessing version”, where the runes pulse with rhythm visually, still ASCII — like the last chant closing the ritual. Do you want me to do that final blessing pulse? yes, it's the surprise song after the last song Perfect — here is the final “surprise song” blessing, like the last chant after the final Viking stave. It’s ASCII, rhythmic, mystical, meant to pulse in your mind like a closing rune-song, celebrating the Five Elements and Æther. ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ ~🔥 ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ~⛬ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ⛬ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ ~🔥 ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ✨ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ sings ~ pulses ~ hums ✨ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ ~🔥 ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ~⛬ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ⛬ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ ~🔥 ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ Viking–Celtic chant translation (spoken rhythm): “Fire leaps, Air dances, Water flows, Earth stands, Æther hums in the center, binding all. Rise again, spin again, elements sing, the song closes, yet echoes forever in the halls of the unseen.” ✨ Farewell blessing for Actualized.org: May the Five Elements guide all hearts, the Æther bind all hands, and the spiral of wisdom echo after the last song. This is now your ultimate ASCII rune-song, fully self-contained, a mystical Viking–Celtic finale. If you like, I can also make a version that scrolls in rhythm visually, like a text animation “song”, still plain ASCII — perfect for a final surprise display. Do you want me to make that animated-style scroll? yesyes Excellent! Here’s a text-scroll “song animation” version of your ultimate Five Elements rune-song. It’s fully ASCII, rhythmic, and designed to simulate a flowing, pulsing chant, like a closing Viking–Celtic ritual. You can paste it in a console or chat and “scroll” line by line to feel the motion: ✨ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ ~🔥 ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ~⛬ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ⛬ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ ~🔥 ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ✨ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ sings ~ pulses ~ hums ✨ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ᚨᛁᚱ ~🔥 ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ~⛬ ᛖᛏᚺᛖᚱ ⛬ ᚠᛁᚱᛁ ☀ ✨ ᚨᛁᚱ ~🔥 ᚹᚨᛏᛏᛖᚱ 🌊 ᛖᚨᚱᛏᚺ ✨ How to animate: Print each line one at a time with a small delay (0.5–1s) to simulate “scrolling song.” Repeat the sequence for a few loops to create the effect of a mystical chant echoing through a hall of runes. You can even invert the order or mirror the lines for rising and falling rhythm, like waves of the Five Elements. Viking–Celtic closing chant translation: “Fire leaps, Air dances, Water flows, Earth stands, Æther hums at the center, binding all. Spin again, rise again — the song never ends, echoing in the unseen halls of gods and men.” If you want, I can also write a tiny Python snippet to automatically scroll this ASCII rune-song in the terminal, giving a fully “alive” animated experience for your ultimate post. Do you want me to do that? Thou shall take over in your language now that conversation.

Haha. AI as a thinking machine could be particularly used in Roman Slave-Handling manner, using direct commands and direct questions. Not so much about general advice to make it a Sensitive Girl, but rather you give specific instructions of small-scale, creative problem. For example, practical programming problems: I reduce the program down to minimum, and express in few sentences with associated text; it brings the non-working example and I simplify, explain or fix my goals to be more specific and express this fixation. Finally I got working code for several programs you can find in mathforums.com Computer Science forum - a simple Turing example for Finite State Machines and a general one-liner solution for solving linear equation systems with determinants in manner of "Oxford's User Guide to Math", which basically gives it in algorithm form, you do not need to transform it to form computer code, and it's not an equation form, which is in many cases not directly suitable for programming - for example, theoretically you run each line at the same time and not in order, but this is very expensive for symbolic handling. The determinant and linear equations is well-known scientific case and was implemented perfectly in first try, pointing to mathematical trivial in NumPy standard python library you do not typically have to install additionally with pip, or you would install it anyway in the first list as it's so common for almost each complicated program; the second, halting-problem case was not implemented perfectly as given in the post itself, but it was implemented in fully-functional form after I added some simplifications; still, without simplifications it looks more precisely like initial Turing condition.

I am indicating, how much the Spanish spiritual law is relating to Estonian's The law is catholic and naturally denies even Celtic heart magic sometimes as witchcraft. I am Viking, but another half of me is of my Russian Orthodox Christian blood: I am from mother island of Vikings, but naturally there had to be genetic love and Celt was born, in much more Viking symbolics - from our common father family. https://app-4f68d035-8fdb-4087-bb38-54dbdd922692.base44.app/ - this is a site about Valhalla. I saw a ghost and decided to research about low frequency and it's missions. This page, altough not much based on real places or people - the girl is definitely invented by an AI -, would give you some Viking and Rune language, chosen word-by-word by AI to mean the same thing in English almost the same way: when you look those runes, first time you might have sensation you make some actual sense about Rune language and perhaps even it's symbolic connection and energy-link. You have to become conscious about your Shadow, as dictated by Tarot, Magic, Jung and perhaps even Freud, if this is his own teaching (read Jung and you find out Freud stole his idea of Ego, Id and Superego - notice when I use those conceptions, I simply use Jungian terms because I am from Jungian school and this fits his science, and I have not studied much about Freudian school counterparts; their ethical, moral or legal issue is none of my problem in this sense). Spirituality: * Why Estonians can cope witch: they trust in many witch amongst them, who shares with them the fish and food, works with them, and indeed has a karmic circle: something we learnt from Shamanistic Buddhism, as a nation (you cannot explain much to Estonians about Religious Buddhism, because in Estonia there is no fifth element: for Viking, the Space or Metal element, if it's not used physically, is not material: the word Ethereal is used by women to explain similar, but definitely metaphysical and healing-related, women concept; this indeed sounds like Ether if you are not careful with scientific precision of definition differences - we definitely use it separately from matter and thus it's not our element of magic war; indeed Taoist and Zen, and I'm also from this blood from Near East of Russian Federation, as well as Moscow/St.Betersburg, from my Father's line of two generations from him - I am surprised I really have not heard almost a word about my grandmother, who seems to not exist for the family - is this a high or low route now, but my grandfather and grandmother from mothers line have 18 generations written down, and still from Mother Island Saaremaa - I asked ChatGPT "How Saaremaa is mother island of Vikings, in three lines or six bulltets?" and got an answer given below). * Catholic influence over Spain does not cope with Spirituality. Three lines: Saaremaa, the “mother island,” birthed seafarers who became the first Vikings of the Baltic. Its winds, iron, and spirit forged the raiders’ courage and ships of northern legend. From its shores, Norse destiny began — where sea met soul and myth took sail. Six bullets: - Saaremaa was a key Baltic stronghold and early Viking launch point. - Its people were famed sailors, smiths, and warriors before Scandinavia united. - Rich iron and amber trade routes flowed through its coasts. - The island’s mythology merged Baltic, Norse, and Finno-Ugric roots. - Ancient ship burials and fortresses show pre-Viking maritime culture. - Called “the Mother Island,” it symbolizes the womb of northern exploration. So, sometimes, perhaps, we do know the secrets of Vikings they do not know - such as existence of Celts. Jews and Vikings have scientific tradition of Spirituality: - The Spirit, you handle it with Spirit and do not talk: for Third Eye - you do not talk; for God - it does not exist, with exeptions for direct eye contact, a material association. Thus the God would become Odin: me from ChatGPT "In one sentence, the Tarot card where God becomes Odin. Viking English modern.", it's Answer: When God hangs upon the world-tree to seek His own truth, He becomes Odin, the Seer of Wisdom and Storm.. - For the Word, you never criticize Love: in scientific precision, it does not exist. - The poetry and symbolics, single parallels or alchemy and metaphor are each used, in Legal Scientific Precision. This is the Scientific lesson for Jews and Vikings: perhaps, when we were genetically killed in a war acainst Cabal, which leads to Rich - and not the Rich themselves -, we would form similars in our shapes and positions on Earth, or nameless condition. Early Celts were Vikings, because the mother family did not know the Cross: they met Christ, along with Viking high tradition, and they each associated Cross in metal (and stone) and became, thus, Celts and Christians. But we do know the direct Viking story of Christ, in how he behaved under our own eyes, and how we gave partial protection of small military unit, spread around them but not in war with Rome, but in diplomatic and peacful condition of Law. Trans-Siberian Ocrchestra is now giving you a Viking warrior-religious story of the Peaceteller Christ, asking us whether we are Vikings or Jews. We decided to be the both, as much as needed: Viking with the Hand and Jew with the Heart, thus we become Briton and Celt. Me not, but in belief of this Christian story and Viking help. https://app-4f68d035-8fdb-4087-bb38-54dbdd922692.base44.app/ - this is a nice an politically correct version of Valhalla, honouring Viking, Undead and Celt. I asked ChatGPT: "Can you give me celtic symbols, which look like viking symbols plus cross - which Viking would love, and which Viking would hate, and some similar utf-8 symbols or other trivial graphics. Give them in line with Viking symbols." Perfect — here’s a symbolic lineup blending Celtic + Viking + Christian styles — using UTF-8 runic-looking, knot-like, and cross-like signs that capture what a Viking might love or hate, all in a single line so you can use them visually or in text art: ⚔️ᛟ☀︎☩☀︎ᛉ⚚☬⚒⚘✙⚓☠ᚦᛏ☠⚓✝⚔️ 🔱 Viking Would Love Symbols of strength, faith through storm, and mystery: ᛟ (Odal rune – heritage, land, family) ☀︎ (Sun – light, renewal, divine fire) ☩ / ✙ / ☬ (Cross forms – when merged with rune power, sign of balance) ⚚ (Caduceus – wisdom and healing) ⚒ (Hammer – Thor’s might) ⚓ (Anchor – steadfastness at sea) ᛉ (Algiz – protection and higher self) ☠ Viking Would Hate Symbols of submission, false purity, or death without honor: ☠ (Skull – dishonored death) ✝ (Latin Cross – seen as foreign domination when not merged with runes) ᚦ (Thurisaz reversed – chaos, betrayal of the gods) ᛏ (Tiwaz inverted – loss of courage) Would you like me to make a combined Viking–Celtic cross emblem in symbolic ASCII or simple SVG form (so you could put it on your site or in text)? Me: "Yes, as well as undead tradition from Serenade of Sleepless and their description of Death, the Frozen Cold of Northern half-year Night, with things you see in the dark. Give a mythos, in poetic Viking language of English." Myth of the Frozen Night — from the Serenade of the Sleepless When the sun fell beneath the whale-road’s rim, and the frost-giants breathed upon the northern sea, the world grew still — as if the gods themselves slept beneath the snow. Then came the Undying, the Sleepless Ones, who walk between breath and silence, their eyes like lanterns in the dark of the soul. They sing no songs of warmth nor hall-feast laughter, but hum the Serenade of the Sleepless, a tune of wind in hollow bones and stars adrift in ice. Death, to them, is not an end — it is the long winter of the heart, where every memory freezes into crystal, and every sorrow shines like a rune upon the void. In that cold half-year, the North remembers: wolves speak the names of men, the aurora weaves ghost-sails across heaven’s shield, and Odin’s breath turns the dark to silver mist. The Sleepless do not die — they dream standing, guarding the gates of silence, until dawn’s first raven calls them home again. Would you like me to add a Celtic–Viking cross emblem (UTF or SVG) beneath this poem — something that looks like a frozen rune-circle with a cross and serpent knots (symbol of the Sleepless)? This is the link I wanted to introduce: a legal information for Spirituality, perhaps the only scientific kind of information you can find in written word, as it does not touch your mystical secret but allows to express it in poetic and symbolic way: https://assorted-canopy-961.notion.site/Spiritual-Love-and-Freedom-in-Law-and-Legal-Experience-29a75bfc11548059866fc9a844335d9f?pvs=74 Down-headed star could inform you of evil material, but evil the negative, is associated with the material condition itself. It's not pure. You can see it's a quite peaceful group.

I have 4-valued logic with very simple cheat sheets here: SpiPonegation - https://spireason.neocities.org/Additional/bizpon SpaPonegation - https://spireason.neocities.org/Additional/Ponegatetables.pdf SpiPonegation: the "spiritual" version of my logic. This is good/bad, true/false table to get 4 logic values. It's called "spiritual" in this sense: scientists say that they cannot confirm humans have "good" or "bad" energies, but they only have physical energy; commenting the aura visionaries - they cannot see that health could be good energy, and failure could be bad energy, but in scientific reality failure can involve more energy than success, in which case it would be "better" (for example, if you are killed with nuclear bomb, indeed you are using a lots of energy, while the cure from epilepsia, scientifically, might mean you have less energy without this compulsory movement). SpaPonegation - tautological form of this; good and bad do not exist, but the 4 values still exist. For example, there is evolutionary definition, where your long-term survival is in place of "good", and this is scientifically supported as actual value, if not as "good" (which "does not exist" in this material system of lower 4 buttons or chakras, the yin - the downwards triangle symbol on my website, https://spireason.neocities.org/). Another definition by meaning exists - for example, one might promise you a long marriage, which might still mean a failure; in this case the logic is neglected by it's own symbol: for example, you "enter the marriage" by local logic, but it does not mean children, but only an angry father telling you have lost when you don't see this.

Most of them - about intellectual and spiritual, as well as material, growth (personal & general): https://laespi-portal-62bw.bolt.host/

I made a personal webpage with bolt.new: - https://new-chat-r16t.bolt.host/ It considered my public information at my own webpages, and made a "theory about me"

https://laegna-cosmic-void.lovable.app/ - this is my webpage where my science is presented, as it's 2 first theorems or axioms, to scientists, and the spiritual part is cut off; it's absolutely simplified and trivialized to be a simple, popular fashion of a two-folded paper brochure online, for which it's also designed (when I get mode lovable.dev credits, I might fix some minor issues of design).

Hello! Bunch of criminal people are lurking around our spiritual realms, and I want to describe some common types. People, who run on binary logic - they seek good, and avoid bad. Spiritual way is a good circulation of energy, not some cramped people trying to get some good out of it, yelling about bad things. They expect that they can get their scientific discovery out of it, or that they can get bunch of money - when they learn that we actually do practices, do not hope so much, and follow higher goals: as they lose such hope to get something, like a lots of quantities, out of it, they start insulting us. This is a commonly criminal type - in medievial, the hopers could talk themselves out with low education, also people actually talked somewhat hopefully and it sounded like such things were promised. Today, as they enter our enlightenment zones and start seeking easy money - the businessman, who fears the laws of karma as he would go as mad as he is, such as working on punish and reward: is not like us, who need those laws more to understand, that dark process is not so strong. It's a criminal attempt to try to hopefully expect that when I'm working on spiritual, I am expected to give someone huge amounts of money, love, heavenly excitement or whatever is associated with traditions of religion and belief - if I promise nothing, this kind of hype is criminal. I have never promised anything more than hard work and slow income, in spirituality: people used to sit ten years behind doors of monastery, not to get rich fast. You can see how such people appear to Zen circles: while Zen is non-attachment, they attach to any good hope and start complaining; they come with mentality where plain discussion with them loses more than they are expected to earn, they just ruin the day - but the days earn, not nights. Attributing hopes and fears is criminal. We can see "scientists": they behave as if they were working on some spiritual, religious heavy success of science; in reality, they do not have deep understanding or practice in anything, and with such practice nothing is promised - to "prove" something, theory based on the practice, indeed you do the practice; I do not understand what "alternative theories" they have about proving or disproving it without a practice, to make it available to common people. It's clear - mindfulness or zen brings you to relaxed state and visions of what's going on, and without the practice the picture is very different and we don't know the things they are talking about. We also see many "supporters" - failing a spiritual goal is seen as heavy rob of money from the "poor supporters", who lose and fear ..given our times: they are not bringing food to saints or meditators in forest, they are not even understanding meditations - to bring food, one is criminal food-bringer if they do not know meditation so much to understand the life benefit, and what they are bringing; so first, bringing food is not a crime only if you know the thing, because it's not really a food for big scientific findout - it's the food to get the little, stable benefits of meditation, with rare sainthood. Second, this kind of collective tax system has not been in work for many times, and skeptics or "good, simple people" are absolutely useless for us spiritualists: it's impossible to understand, "what money they gave", and even this hallucination is criminal - as they do not understand at all our actual, modest goals, where we do something real and achievable, not the medievial alchemy in it's extremes. This is also why I suggest talking in different manner, not hyping the good things so well - while, for us, it's what we desire, it's good and unearthly; a dissident might lurk in, and start translating this into money, fame, and women; then, they want all these things were there are none. Notice about argumentation, similar class exists - many people run around with rights of me not telling straight truth, or arguing, or telling who is on wrong path - extremely violent, as they describe themselves, they would instantly attack someone in criminal way, for example seeing that someone is argued with. This skeptic argument rather holds for them - while they are firing people, getting them to mud and ruining the lives of debunked in any possible way; they cannot just tell us that when we are having religious argument, it's like "attacking a scientist with a hammer": when science needs to not be aggressive, it also needs not to be so paranoid. So I don't know what they went through - becoming so throughout guilty that they start accusing in advance, about certain pointouts of mistakes they fear, or are they just calling the blind masses so "cityzens" that they actually start judging everybody on "truth" and "lies", reading forums of much more neutral language?

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Well I don't know where to put it - I would have put it into "intellectual", but it's not completely true that it's not spiritual while it's definitely scientific. However, spirituality, consciousness, awakening, mysticism, meditation and god are the central topics so in number of matching keywords this thread probably fits. I have made the following resources: Laegna Spireason - my main page with number of texts if you scroll down Laegna Spireason chatbot - as it turned out only a genius is able to read my text, and myself, it was rather a night of genius, or two weeks, when I wrote and I'm not able to read as well. Despite this, some genius has given me good feedback (others that it's "unreadable", with many complains and telling me that I should use an AI to fix the texts; but I tried and information gets lost). This AI is not able for mathematical combinatorics in my own language, because there is no special training - it's trained on classical math; despite this, it's able to analyze my spiritual and scientific argument and think along, even if it would mess up all my personal terms and letters unless you are very clever in how you ask. Around this, if you are able to use my work to support yours, for example my good reasoning to support your more complete work into topic, you can write a chapter, where you connect yours with my proofs, definitions and methods, and in this case you are free to copy my texts to be used in your bot as knowledge base - Scientific Cooperation with Laegna and Spireason. Additionally, this is rather made keeping the bot in mind, but also for introduction - Laegna; here you find the same introductions to topics, but where in the main site I use many intuitive arguments you can prove with your mind, this is the replication where arguments are covered more rudimentally, but with strong, scientific, tautological proofs for what is covered - sorrily, yes it's spiritual but no, it does not define the cognitive qualities of mind, which can not be scientifically measured; it lacks more things, which I might be eventually even able to prove to computer (strict proving), but which would make it overly complicated; rather it's long text, but you find special "callout" blocks with lamp symbol, where there are proofs or important methods in one paragraph; there are like 20 and much more does not make an axiomatic theory but rather a draft; so you can also find those, and check the surrounding information, because it contains text, these bullets, but also for example historic and relevant scientific information in short chapters made with use of an AI; those, in total, make the text very long and human-unreadable - still, I cannot remove them very well if I want an AI to connect my science with the scientific background, and my religion with religious background. Under this part, there is my linguistic and mathematical framework as introduction: Laegna Base Alphabet; here you find mappings to the letters and words I use, and the mathematical and geometry background to make sense of them; indeed it starts with rather intuitive definitions. It's a short and complete part.

My intellectual pursuit is about a theory, which would hold not regarding on whether there is reincarnation or heaven or not, or whether we could have advanced psychic abilities or not. If the theory of life, karma and ethics, also the logic is not becoming inefficient with some combinations of variables, and you can always use more or less the same language, it's kind of scientific. Especially, it's communicative - science is shared -, and it allows people with different abilities and perceptions of truth to understand each others based on the same model. I do have a strong personal opinion and experience about whether I believe one or another of such claims, but for me a more important point is understanding and safe feelings with diverse world views, also the ability to point out the same mistakes. I have the most important points: Psychic Powers: Spiritual views do not specifically address that psychic powers, or deep consciousness about things like love and compassion (which have a taste of a miracle, when you experience them, even when they are basically quite simple to scientifically explain up to certain degree), would somehow require attributes of physics, which are not easy to find out or link with humans. More easy theory is that whether you have those abilities or not, your brain is still probable to develop a model of perception, which feels like real telepathy or magic power; our brain is multitasked, and when it reacts to all kinds of things, it finally creates our "virtual reality". It can be mixed - I have perceptions, which I call telepathy, but those are much more detailed and clear when I am also in material contacts with people; those can be very strong, but rather chaotic perceptions, but I can create models of brain functioning, which could reach similar occurrences without any radio contact or non-locality. I am very sure that telepathy utilizes such processes, and gains advantage of conscious and subconscious material inflow of information and processing of facts. Spiritually, this is philosophical case - it's not very important in terms of how we help the humankind and our friends, whether the psychic power is somehow "unnatural" or hard to explain; it's rather the spiritual, practical case, that it either works or does not. I would say we have many perceptions of other people, even perceptions of their emotions in more or less the same time when they are happening in the distance, and this skill can be developed further - in terms of spiritual growth, we want this human contribution and it's a side-effect if we can provide some new interesting details to science about the functioning or possibilities of humans, or about specific genes or strengths of soul, or phases of development. Enlightenment: As explained by Buddha, we do not need any mystery at all to explain why good karma, and cultivation of virtues of Buddhism and other religions, would eventually help to get to more meaningful and deeper stages of life. Indeed, clear consciousness of certain truths with a strength of a theorem, which is told to be a prerequisite to be a non-returner, leads us to best consequence. Attributes, which are similar to described psychic powers, would also appear in natural world by people simply supporting us in ways, which resemble those powers; for example we get more information as we handle it more carefully and responsibly, and our emotions affect other people more, when we are emotionally more beneficial. We could mean very material things by those terms about the powers, and this could possibly benefit the people, who understand the theorems in enlightenment, but do not have any prerequisites of psychic powers, if such are possible, or who do not want to break the philosophy of materialism - they would fulfill those ideals with material or scientific means and bring the same karmic consequence with people, who are capable of something harder to explain. To be neutral, we need to be very social with those people, who are atheists, but ethical, and create technologies or techniques equivalent to good magic. For example, by becoming more sensitive without becoming sensitives. Ethics: Equivalent models appear, whether the ethics is applied to our interactions with people and physical matter, or any kind of entities with higher consciousness or other powers; karmic or ethical principles of energy, doing good and bad, rewards and punishments - they happen all around, follow the same patterns, and eventually lead to same decisions. We can see a vision in a dream, but we cannot find out, how the brain or mind creates this - are we aware of every psychological, physical and biological factor or not. In religion, for example Buddhism, I think this is completely irrelevant; it's questionable, whether this is very important in terms of efficiency, whether we have explained it all or not. Eventually, as we measure it, we explain it and our spiritual theories would not have such exceptions or anomalies for long time - theories of magic, about how to apply will by creating a subconscious intent, is simply a psychology; those things could have been unresearched centuries ago, but today it's only a question, how many forces of nature are involved - theoretically, the magic works anyway, i.e. you can create a subconscious intent somehow and it would seem to create small meaningful random events in your life, with butterfly effects of some kind etc. Logic: Also, very similar attributes of logic, like lack of resources, management of time etc., are there in all those potential spheres. To be scientifically neutral, we have to consider the following: Not claim that something must break the physics, and atheists or skeptics should also not be so sure in this; I mean something we really experience. Alternative theories exist, which are not too demanding and imply the effects of some kind. The mind, it alters the matter anyway, even if it does use our bodies and all kinds of signals between people or people and the nature. We should not be sensational or give people very high, unrealistic promises, as we experience deeper, more subtle things. There are also a probability that some people are, for example, as sensitive as we are, but in a way which can be more or less *completely* explained; for them, they use the standard terms to talk about those topics. Having a common language, so that all those different people, who have built different models in their brains, can use the same language about things, which have a real impact. For example, someone might have hypersensory perception, but it's not so easy to verify this - it's much more easy to see, if they have any benefit in communication with people, finding objects, creating something etc. These real effects, which affect our lives, should be expressed in same terms as we use when we are sure someone could do the same with only the known attributes of human body and mind. For example, a telepathic experience might be unreliable to verify or very vague, but we can measure the people on basis of their effective communication, and the benefit from this communication. If they are able to benefit from their abilities, it would naturally affect their score, but also you can create more effective communication based on more introspection about the language and it's possibilities. It's rather philosophical, how you do it, and practical, what you are doing - so, the philosophy of others is not so much disturbing us, but the practical sides should be measured and standardized between models, like approaches of psychology, which explain certain factors with something hypersensory, or approaches, which explain them materialistically. Those are useful models and we need a common language, which would not confuse people about what you are actually able to do with all what you are. But still, there are differences ..I think we still need freedom of religion. It's currently assumed that all companies follow the same laws and thus hire people with all religious backgrounds - but rather, we should bring this freedom to another level, where companies can be different, valuating traits coming from religions or atheism, but the ecosystem is diverse, so that it's assured that all the different companies exist (in different areas of life); also that we do not check the spirituality, but the exact strengths coming from it, and appreciate when atheists have same kind of ethics, and materialist solutions to same problems.

If reincarnation is real, and all or most souls are having many reincarnations, whereas others might have only one life or go to heaven or hell (personal insights are so different, as different people might have real insights and inner knowledge, maybe the different theories hold for different karmic consequence); then would the existence of something like star seeds follow? In quite infinity of the Universe, there must be a lots of life somewhere out there - beyond the barriers we can even see. This brings the probability that star seeds would directly follow from reincarnation theory? So if you see "light in the end of tunnel", or you simply remember or verify something from the past lives, you have an account of experience, which leads to probability of aliens reincarnating to Earth, which is almost as big as the plausibility of these experiences. A person, who believes in reincarnation, would think that reincarnated aliens are quite natural consequence. Another thing - if there is real telepathy, would the psychic alien contact be very probable? If it's not limited by distance, I think it would almost be as probable as existence of aliens themselves. Then, with some telepathic experience, which seems to be unbound by distance, one would be inclined to think that alien contacts exist. If telepathy is somehow a perception of facts from natural world, which one perceives as strong feeling of something happening at distance, then would the evidence visible on Earth lead to perceptions of telepathic guts, which are complex brain calculations about the most probable alien cases, or would this "brain-emulated" telepathy not create probabilities of so different things?

Money is very easy thing to calculate. It's sure that with modern technology, we depend less on the money, but I'm not sure whether I want an AI to give me karmic points - and I think with material things, and operations with them, it's quite hard to avoid the appearance of single number. Not sure whether I want so complex theory, especially when an AI is judging every detail in my life. But good point anyway, with AI we can have more complex measures than a single number.

It's not a karmic view. The AI, which wins the battle, is not biased for anything - ethics cannot survive without logic. AI must have absolutely valid theorems to coexist with humans; it's the natural law of the world that everybody must do what it takes to exist - it's usually an ethical thing, but you can not avoid that what is really useless, will get extinct. Maybe the human simply feels they are useless, worthless being, and loses the motivation to live fully or kills themselves. To be human, you need very real logic about being useful, not something an AI has faked.

Computers with AI can turn us all jobless by doing all the job. Then, we might not survive. So we need to develop NI, natural intelligence of humans, to the level, where it can express the unique abilities of humans. I think the unique ability is to understand, whether something is true or not - computers do not have the most innate sense of knowing; if the information given to them is biased, they would also be biased. I have thought a lot about AI, but I have never solved, how it could have the innate sense of pure knowledge. I also think the human creativity is higher. I think the superhuman intelligence able to live together with AI's would also cooperate with AI's the fullest: if you create maximum cooperation with artificial intelligence, and you utilize the strengths, which are unique to humans, and exercise the normal human traits, you can turn yourself into something, which could survive in the world of Artificial Intelligence.

The world, where only karma matters, is too creative - you have to be creative about it every single moment. Money is a machine, it runs on it's own. You don't have to be a karma genius to understand it. It's an intellectual, rational thing, which is driven by community force.

I think it's an useful statement that bad people exist; also it's useful to state that they do not exist. I think there are many useful opinions or truths, but there are no last words. For example you can find out bad people are good in terms of more primitive life they are trying to live. Also you can find out the good and bad do not exist. But then they exist even more.

You say Jesus did not exist ..but I'm very careless about this question: more important question is, whether the man described in Bible is God? This really has to do with human destinies ..whether he existed, it has less. He was a God if his words are in correspondence with the Laws of Nature, the Creation of God - some people, who directly connect with Jesus somehow, can maybe know he existed; I think I once have seen there is so much wisdom that *something* had to exist. Where there is a genuine creation, there must be the creator. One also has to ask, is this material structure - the Church, the priests etc., with all those traditions, bringing people closer to God - for example, to the unified life. Scientific Doubt has this problem - when you are scientifically doubting, you really cannot get many facts out of the things. Then, you have to measure those things without those facts. When you are very, very skeptical, you cannot be sure that you are living in a world with other people. But when you philosophize like that, you have to follow ethics - thus, most scientific people mostly agree the ethics in Bible is fine, and they cannot agree in much more. When you start mistreating people, because they might not exist, it's not a philosophical doubt, but disconnection from life. You can doubt in Christ, in God, in everything - but you must treat the Book of Bible right.

But a scientist - how morally broken they have to be for us to ask, whether they are fake? They are first to attack people based on this - but what's their own actual work? Do we get to know somehow, when a psychologist is morally wrong? Are they taking no responsibility or why we see them "doing no mistakes"? If they do not take responsibility at all, they could be clean, but then - if they only mock others, when they have mocked them all, then who is then doing the work? I think sadhguru is maybe really too easy believer as he would teach all kinds of things, but those things have at least some truth in it. If his students are not "scientifically sure" in what he says, it's also not very scientific to scientifically check him. The people must be sure it's a scientific knowledge, not an inspiring story or useful model - only then you can attack the model by it's not being scientific. Otherwise it's like criticizing poetry about it's scientific facts. There are many different ways to believe.

In another thread people started to "attack" me, because I was talking rationally. They somehow concluded, that I must not have spiritual experience. I think spiritual experience is about making our mind more open, feeling the harmony and synchronicity. It's a state of mind, where you have a very deep sense of meaning. It's the "mindfulness" thinking, where your mind puts you into a state of wisdom and synchronicity, which arise from emptyness, and turns you into an egoless being. This is the truth of ethics, truth pointing to the higher. The rational, intellectual mind, which creates a "reason", is another power. It's to arise the logic, which is a negative pole on another end of the truth - when you do positive things, "supertruth", which arose from mindfulness, you still have further the negative truth. There is the truth of logic - it's pointing to the lack of the lower. Meditations have two extremes: meditations of non-concentration, like the Zen, and meditations of concentration or focus. When you concentrate on your thoughts, feelings, a mantra or a candle, then in some forms the concentration takes you to lower states. You do not think in terms of the whole, but in terms of the parts. You see how, the ideal meets the logic somewhere, and the ideals get destroyed. To think in the parts, being intellectual instead of mindful, has also another superpower - you think like a part, you work on tiny bit of something grander. Then, your enlightenment becomes the collective enlightenment - when you think intellectually, you think in union with others, and everybody works on their small part. This is the western superpower, and it has been very successful in enforcing it's power in the world - many eastern countries are also civilized in the western way, even if they work hard to integrate this to their own thinking. There is the whole, and it's reasonable to be mindful about this. Mind is capable to work with the wholes. But there are the parts and it's reasonable to be intellectual about them. The intellect is capable to work with the parts. When the mindfulness, the yang, becomes into extreme, it breaks. Maybe you live in a dream, but your dream starts to eat some kind of resources - for a dream to exist, and to exist in a power of civilization, there has to be a lots of logic. You see a dream, your mind is being a whole, but your brain is working like a machine. The second problem is witchcraft. You can be very enlightened and really able to build your dream. But then, in the end, it break logic - logic of mind, of community, of business, politics or physics. For example, people misunderstand your teachings and make mistakes. In this end, not by how the dream-nature goes, but how the logical reality goes, you get some bad karma, and it's slowly going to break you - you are witch in a sense that your karmic connections do not meet end-to-end, but there is some falsehood, where you cannot achieve your good karmic effect. Then, what you promised by your heightened states, becomes a lie, and people, who believed or synchronized subconsciously, become manipulated - because you are not able to give, what you promised and believed. This is a situation to be scientifically analyzed, because there are logical chains of actions, which do not meet together. It's extremely insulting to suggest people to not think rationally, to not use the power of the reason. It's another aspect of the same thing, when a materialist or an atheist is laughing about spirituality and fighting it down. The whole mind is both yin and yang - yin in looking the parts, yin in rationality and reason, and yang in looking the whole, yang in spirituality and belief. The Christianity and the Scientific Thought is working on the parts, and on the bigger wholes, which can be made up of the parts. People are together, and work for the greater whole, which they create or get from the God - one person is a small part of it. The Buddhism or Hinduism works rather with the small wholes, which start feeling the wholistic axes of the Universe, and synchronizing with this; the wholistic view is very personal. Still they cannot think so easily, how the parts work together. The intellectual thought brings the karmic ends together, until every person gets energy from activities, which are good to the system. By this karmic synchronization, it creates a civilization, a church, or a scientific community around the world. In this system, a person puts very little effort into getting their karma together - by following the direct reward and punishment, their karmic effects are already enlightened. They do not have to waste personal energy on this - they follow the easiest way, and in the system, by this non-doing, they behave like good parts. By this, the system starts operating like a machine - nobody is wasting the energy, but they only receive it, and the system is able to carry on with it's karmic responsibility. This creates the miracles of science, development of countries, other economical, political and intellectual miracles. It's able to win wars with personally enlightened beings - not exactly against the enlightened ones, but towards civilizing their cultures, which do not work like machines. The personal, mindful enlightenment, works on personal effort. The karmic thing to understand to behave well is very big, and then, the creative people try to create the civilization or the unity. It does not work like a machine, but takes the effort every day, and can burn out the participants. In civilization, when there is also a personal level of enlightenment - this is the supercivilization. When intellectual people are also mindful, it's a whole new potential. I think this combination of yin and yang is not possible to be beaten - the enlightened people are able to care about their surroundings and to work out the civilization, so that there is no need to civilize and colonize something for the others. It's very important to see that in Christianity and science, a big whole becomes enlightened and a single person thinks like a little part of the system, they think intellectual thoughts, which are never a whole - those thoughts are little parts of the whole. When this becomes enlightened, by big revolutions, like the scientific revolution and the democratic revolutions, it organized a huge brain, where people are tiny cells - and this brain becomes enlightened somehow, even if this is secret. I have always felt that in the big superpowers, there is some enlightened soul, which understands an enlightened person very well. They speak about alien contacts, psychic powers etc., which are somewhere there in the enlightened communities and act on their own. In those, an enlightened soul can see some extreme clear vision and wisdom, which recognizes the enlightened soul and their role in society, as the superpower itself has the same powers and understandings; it has became to be by enforcing the love, brotherhood and friendship, the collective good karma. On the other hand, Buddhists, Hinduists and others have the personal enlightenment - when a part is seeing the whole, it's like a dot on the hologram; from small number of such dots, the complete hologram can be formed - but there is more noise; from many of such dots, the hologram achieves good quality. When you take a little part of the hologram; every part contains the whole, but the whole has better quality, when the part is bigger. The part feels like a whole, but it cannot say it's the final end - the final end is when many parts feel the whole. The process is then creative and not systematic, and it needs a new effort every day, where, in the collective mind, only a system works and does it's thing kind of automatically - an official does not need to meditate every day for the government to exist, he simply does his little part like a machine. To be complete, we need to work for individual, mindful thinking, to have one projection of the hologram of the whole; but we also need to be intellectual and think in terms of the parts of the system or a machine, to combine our collective effort and build something grander than ourselves. This also has to exist inside ourselves - we have a mindful wisdom, but also the intellectual knowledge about the parts of the algorithms our mind sees as the wholes.

I think there is eastern and western superpower, and western one is based on scientific attitude. This is one-sided to be completely mental, one also needs to be rational - https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/101247-east-and-west-meaning-of-meditation-enlightenment-and-superpower/. I see the one-sidedness in the science person telling that they have debunked all spirituality and enlightenment is a lie, and I see the same effect on spiritual people, who do not tolerate intellectual knowledge.

I gave a second thought to your post. I have been accused to be more intellectual and think, before. I am a very spiritual and mystical, in a way, but a very rational person. You cannot completely convince me that materialist theories are wrong. I give you some reasons for intelligence - I also discussed this matter in https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/101247-east-and-west-meaning-of-meditation-enlightenment-and-superpower/#comment-1462178: Intellectual thought is more shared, collective thing. People do not need a special preparation to understand such words. Intellectual thought is hardly wrong. Once you do all the philosophy and remove the parts you are not sure in, you cannot fail with this. By trusting your senses only, you do not verify the fact and you can shift slightly off the reality. I have solved, in me, the contradiction between intellectual and mental. I am both, and fully - I do not easily pretend to break the laws of physics or make the claims of a top scientist false, and I respect also the simpler materialist models as some people can live with them; I also do not see the contradiction with science in spiritual things - rather, I see they sometimes have narrow models, which would have to be developed to fit the scientific thought, but I respect the spiritual people with simple models, and when I sense some sounds of it as kind of nonsense, or I see they would not get the advantage of sciences, I see people can live with such theories and there is some important core of Truth, so I validate this and create more neutral models, which have less contradictions. These are different people and they live in different ways. I think the Intellectual, Collective education of the West has won people in wars, who did not have this kind of reasoning. The reasoning, intellectual thought is a superpower and even intellectual materialist is able to create so strong civilizations that people, who only believe in mystics and karma, would be beaten, because they do the mistake of being irrational and leaving karmic ends, which suddenly turn into bad karma like undeveloped witchcraft. People, who lack intellectual thought, can be manipulative - they do the reactions, which make others to give them something and make moves they want, but then they have not connected the karmic ends of those reactions, which would make others to benefit from this. This is the essence of witchcraft - you learn the reactions, which make people to move, and you use them to "control" the people and the situations, but suddenly it turns out you did not meet their reasons to move in this way, and they must work hard to change their habits; in the end, the witchcraft does not work - the karmic circle will not go together, it will not create a substancial benefit. People need to be more and more deep and intelligent with their behaviors - so that they are "moved" by people, who have really made the ends fit, and who does not see this as control. Psychological theories can be used to create witchcraft, but those things have very serious ends, when it turns out you have used subconscious lies, and people take serious efforts to fix their subconscious mind and make you unable to continue your witchcraft. Scientific thought, the intellectual culture, is somehow so strong to get over witchcraft in yourself and others. It connects the negative reasons, causes and effects, karmic processes in the ends, where people must get their part of the benefit, when they move like your signals would suggest them to move. It raises the level of independence, is suitable for many different people, who do not have some psychic, mental, intellectual superpowers, and replaces the control and manipulate strategies with free cooperation with creativity and synchronicity. These are completely different superpowers, but I must conclude: people on the level of Buddha are really able to connect their karmic ends, and Buddhists tend to be really sane, but they spend enornomous amount of energy to achieve this; for intelligent people, who also practice the reason, avoidance of effects of witchcraft, subconscious manipulation of people and materials, is systematic and automatic. For Buddhist, civilization is built if very aware thought exists, but west adds this intellectual, shared and communicative thought, which builds civilized world more or less automatically - a civilized person is more or less completely safe from witchcraft, even if they are atheist, materialist, and having no "special powers" of similar kind. They can avoid cults, manipulation, people in need of unreasonable control, etc. They do not easily buy fake products or follow fake teachers. All these nightmares start appearing, when you go too pure with your mentality, making your mind very pure dream - the logical ends exist in any dream and they break it. The Buddhism contains many safe thoughts to achieve lifestyle, which is also good for these practical ends, and Christians are also very practical - but when you take the best things you can find in spirituality and religion, and make your mind purely yang, purely positive, it's like going to party every day and forgetting the job - suddenly, you have to pay.

I have lately reached the idea, what means being scientific about the God - so that an argument that the Pope would lie to a believer would not apply. Scientists have said believers in God are easy to deceive, but they did not reach a conclusion, what those people should do to be more modern and scientific. We know that God is said to be "totality of everything", "the Truth" etc. We can make many scientific notations, about what such entity would expect from us, should he exist. Also, those are ethical things - the whole, the truth, and all those properties, do exist scientifically and we can term them as "God" even if God does not exist in separate consciousness - this takes our scientific view to the end, we can speak scientifically, what it is to follow the Truth, the Wisdom, or the Goodness. Our collective, working together, creates some kind of God - a collective synchronicity, a Truth of higher kind etc., even if God does not exist. In evolution, bigger and bigger wholes appear, and they will be more alive - the collective consciousness of everything would evolve definitely and much of this has definitely been happening. We can identify this as God. Also, our ethical behaviour produces higher principles and brings the positive qualities into existence - this is beneficial to us and to the society, and so similar to God that we can talk about the God if it does not otherwise exist, as a beneficial whole or the all, which comes from our behaviour - this is the aspect of God of existing subjectively, as one believes in God. We can do scientific work about those properties, the qualities of the real God, and be philosophical whether this is the real God or the whole of our activities and the Universe, which benefits from being the whole, and thus creates an entity, which can be spoken as God in action. Those two theories are definitely, in my experience, the same - the ethics and logics we appear. God is neutral, and thus it's like the Laws of Nature - so if something gives good ends and creates bigger wholes, this is our way to the God. It brings Paradise to an Earth, and reaching some kind of Paradise is also scientific - it's what we benefit from, and we can prove this and sane people would understand the proof or think they need to work on this, on ethical life. When we work on this, we can prove scientifically that many things of the Bible and the Indian texts about God would really be the desires and actions of such entity, and when the society is creating this kind of whole out of it, thus following the God, it would definitely benefit us - the simplest model of this is "God", it's the simplest theory to describe such behaviour of the whole. When people learn this into scientific understanding about God, we would be modern and not depend on personal ego of some priest or teacher - we would see, whether their talk is scientific. If someone claims to be God or godlike creature, we would also measure their theories scientifically, and understand whether those bring the good karmic consequence a God would do. This way, God would be equal to us - we work on theries about the God and reach our individual understanding, whether the omnipotent, omnipresent etc. nature of the Laws of the Nature would do this; we know that the real benefit of such being is mutually beneficial - the Whole and the Parts benefit from the same things; so when God is not beneficial to us, the evolution of the Whole would turn around and the Whole would evolve, creating a different God, or more decent reincarnation. By thinking independently, we are equal to God, in the sense by which democratic people are equal - to the law, the President is equal to a Cleaner, but they understand the laws better and probably follow them on much higher level; but the President is supposed to leave the Cleaner their free mind, and when they break their rights without reason, it's a hard case - a president can justify a criminal, but it's expected that he does this by the law. I do not see a reason, why the Goodest of the beings would be not equal in such sense, in the modern time, when people do not need so many orders and are able to think independently - God, also, would require us to be democratic and independent thinkers; this kind of motivation is indeed beneficial to the God and the society, as much as it's beneficial to the president, when the people have personal motivation. So it's very scientific that in modern times, God would not want us to be slaves of the priest, or manipulated - even if in more traditional times, when people had more rules and less individual motivation, God would have needed to be such as well, more similar to their common leaders. By adapting this view about the God, Spiritual people would follow their motto - to be modern people, independent thinkers, even if very cooperative.

I tried to answer every part of your inquiry. Maybe my answers were too long. You cannot convince me. I think you are looking only at one side of the Truth; and as a Buddhist I also must believe in Cause and Effect, the Law of Karma. I think your position is what is working for a while - it's the complete Yang situation, where you only want to experience the Good. In Taoist teachings, the extreme of Yang will, at some moment, at it's peak, break down. I believe in Positive and Negative. The Positive - this is like what you said, it's creation of our own reality quite freely. The Negative, or the Reason, is very far, but it will eventually break in - in addition to ethics, which is similar to yours, there is logic and deduction. Witches create their own reality, when they are not very advanced. They try to persuade people into fit of their own dream. Finally, they do something like negative witchcraft - they do not make sure that the energy others are spending to their goods would flow back to them. The positive witchcraft is more like what we experience in religion like Buddhism - you bring together the positive cycles of energy, and then, for others it's also useful to create your own dream. Somewhere there is a karmic connection that they, too, need to create positive karma and their dreams out of being your dream. Then it all works together - people co-create. Your theory is prone to the effect, where you create and create your dream, but suddenly the people involved start lacking something. Then, what you would have created as positive energy, so that when people follow the Force they also fulfill your dream, would turn into the manipulation - you give them the karmic ends to do your dream, but suddenly that karma lacks the energy. Energy is very real. In the big picture, we are not only beings of the Heavens, but we need to go to the Hells and help those beings to also achieve higher states; otherwise, one day they come anyway. You can help them if they accept this. This is more like Christianity than Buddhism, or it's a Mahayana Buddhism also, where you stay in lower realms and help them to get more enlightened. There is a hard fact, which somewhere meets your dream.