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Ya it's astrology for people who like science

You also didn't ask what I meant and you assumed that I assumed something. And you also assumed that my words are something to get sad over and then you got sad by them. But please clarify by what you meant if you feel like my response implies a misunderstanding.

This place is a turn off for everyone. We are here because at this point on our lives we have nowhere better to be. Minorities always have the unfortunate dilemma of never being sure if an argument is caused by ideas or prejudice.

How do you know that the women are treated differently or worse? Everyone is treated poorly here in my opinion at least some of the time. I've seen women on here act horribly. Ive seen two guys get into the stupidest arguments. Women: Stop feeling sorry for yourselves. You don't deserve more delicate treatment because you are a woman.

How did you transcend the male/female divide?

Laying bricks is a privilege ? I would say spending time with your kids is a privilege but that's just me.

Wizard of Oz tried to warn us

You forgot to add: "We see your divine feminine, and perfect rationality, we cower and it's beautiful light"

A) So you admit you were coming from a place of anger and then are surprised you are met with anger in return? B) this is a desire for control, which nobody has on the Internet and why it's so frustrating to talk to people on it. IRL we subconsciously rely more on social hierarchies to determine who is right. C) this is how all people treat each other on the internet men regardless of gender. Women on this forum do every single one of the negative behaviors you described above.

Welcome to the internet. The online disinhibition effect is one of the biggest problems of our time.

The question we need to ask: Are women human? Or are they angels? They could be angels: Women commit less crime and violence, are more intune with their bodies and emotions, have more friends, live longer, are healthier, are more educated, out perform boys on almost every metric, are better hunters and runners (apparently), can give birth, are better with kids, rape and abuse kids less often, make better managers, are less impulsive, and of course are more beautiful. Isn't it time that men start worshiping the divine feminine, maybe stop arguing with them in forums, and realize the true nature of what women are?

Wasn't the whole debate about how all throughout history women made better hunters and were actually more butch and competent than the men?

You are very talented. Do you have a substack or blog?

This is a great insight. I think the problem is that Leo's strength is also his weakness. He is incredibly blunt and direct. This cuts through the bullshit, reaches more people, and can be much more persuasive BUT this is antithetical to loving communication in relationships. So we as fans have to be careful not to adopt Leo's tone even though Leo's style is was worked for us.

Pretty good point. Also, what does winning a debate look like on this forum? What do people expect? Do they expect the other person to go "wow you are absolutely right and I have nothing more say" ? Sometime I argue on this forum and then days or weeks later I realize the other person was right or at least had a good point.

So then it's time you become an experienced member for the good of the forum

Lol 💯. Imagine a guy who went onto a female dominated forum and expected to win every debate, and then complained there isn't any room for his masculinity and then rage quit.

That's not enough evidence for anything. That's a sample size of one.

You can see everything was good

This forum will most likely take time away from fostering IRL relationships. But it's a fun way to pass the time.

I heard in an interview that the structure of the internet is not conducive to share nuanced ideas and having productive conversations or arguments. The two main reasons are that people feel disinhibited due to the internet being anonymous and all the context is lost through reading text. For example sarcasm and irony is hard to detect in written word.

Right so I never said that it never works. Rationality just doesn't work all the time like in emerald's case. Also even if it works the science shows that it's not the best way.

@Emeraldall you did was find the limits of rationality. You were operating on a false principle that rationality is the best way to win arguments. This is obviously false because everyone thinks they are being being rational and also feelings don't care about facts. The best way to persuade someone is make then feel like your are on their team (aka tribe) and find the common ground.

The guys in this debate have a huge disadvantage because it's progressive and acceptable in society to celebrate women. While at the same time criticizing men is also seen as progressive and is popular thing to do. While criticizing women is very distasteful and feels like something a chauvinist pig would do.