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Wizard of Oz tried to warn us

You forgot to add: "We see your divine feminine, and perfect rationality, we cower and it's beautiful light"

A) So you admit you were coming from a place of anger and then are surprised you are met with anger in return? B) this is a desire for control, which nobody has on the Internet and why it's so frustrating to talk to people on it. IRL we subconsciously rely more on social hierarchies to determine who is right. C) this is how all people treat each other on the internet men regardless of gender. Women on this forum do every single one of the negative behaviors you described above.

Welcome to the internet. The online disinhibition effect is one of the biggest problems of our time.

The question we need to ask: Are women human? Or are they angels? They could be angels: Women commit less crime and violence, are more intune with their bodies and emotions, have more friends, live longer, are healthier, are more educated, out perform boys on almost every metric, are better hunters and runners (apparently), can give birth, are better with kids, rape and abuse kids less often, make better managers, are less impulsive, and of course are more beautiful. Isn't it time that men start worshiping the divine feminine, maybe stop arguing with them in forums, and realize the true nature of what women are?

Wasn't the whole debate about how all throughout history women made better hunters and were actually more butch and competent than the men?

You are very talented. Do you have a substack or blog?

This is a great insight. I think the problem is that Leo's strength is also his weakness. He is incredibly blunt and direct. This cuts through the bullshit, reaches more people, and can be much more persuasive BUT this is antithetical to loving communication in relationships. So we as fans have to be careful not to adopt Leo's tone even though Leo's style is was worked for us.

Pretty good point. Also, what does winning a debate look like on this forum? What do people expect? Do they expect the other person to go "wow you are absolutely right and I have nothing more say" ? Sometime I argue on this forum and then days or weeks later I realize the other person was right or at least had a good point.

So then it's time you become an experienced member for the good of the forum

Lol 💯. Imagine a guy who went onto a female dominated forum and expected to win every debate, and then complained there isn't any room for his masculinity and then rage quit.

That's not enough evidence for anything. That's a sample size of one.

You can see everything was good

This forum will most likely take time away from fostering IRL relationships. But it's a fun way to pass the time.

I heard in an interview that the structure of the internet is not conducive to share nuanced ideas and having productive conversations or arguments. The two main reasons are that people feel disinhibited due to the internet being anonymous and all the context is lost through reading text. For example sarcasm and irony is hard to detect in written word.

Right so I never said that it never works. Rationality just doesn't work all the time like in emerald's case. Also even if it works the science shows that it's not the best way.

@Emeraldall you did was find the limits of rationality. You were operating on a false principle that rationality is the best way to win arguments. This is obviously false because everyone thinks they are being being rational and also feelings don't care about facts. The best way to persuade someone is make then feel like your are on their team (aka tribe) and find the common ground.

The guys in this debate have a huge disadvantage because it's progressive and acceptable in society to celebrate women. While at the same time criticizing men is also seen as progressive and is popular thing to do. While criticizing women is very distasteful and feels like something a chauvinist pig would do.

Women are pretty awesome and are more capable than we give them credit for. But here's what modern day society forgets: the same thing can be said about men. These labels often turn into a self fulfilling prophecy so we have to be careful what we say about each other and what we tell our kids. If we beat into our kids that men are inherently evil they might behave better but they will become demotivated and disenfranchised and stay at home playing video games and porn.

Don't you know @Leo Guraonly women are allowed to have grievances on the way things are and about the opposite gender? If men complain it's toxic and automatically inaccurate. /S

On one hand, your skin gives you feeling and appearance. On the other hand, your skeleton gives you structure and form. So if you had to choose one which would it be? Have you ever thought of these two things as different? Happy spooktober everyone

Im taking about the IRL world and growing up in it. That's the impression and vibe I got.

Yes it's become somehow sexist to say women are better with kids. Like wtf?

It's interesting, when men do something better than women we attributed it to male privilege and unfair biases. But when women do something better we attributed to women being superior. And also there is an implied narrative that this whole time society was mistaken and it's women who can do everything better. Women played the ultimate Uno reverse card.