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He is a threat to democracy. If you don't care for democracy then vote Trump

We will never know the yoga practices, psychedelics, or scientific discoveries of the alien species on other planets.

I'd like opinions on this quote by Giordano Bruno and how well it corresponds to what Leo is saying. I want to use this quote, as further "evidence" to help people see that Leo is correct and that the individual person can realize they indeed are God (albeit from one perspective). Here's the quote... "Unless you make yourself equal to God, you cannot understand God: for the like is not intelligible save to the like. Make yourself grow to a greatness beyond measure, by a bound free yourself from the body; raise yourself above all time, become Eternity; then you will understand God. Believe that nothing is impossible for you, think yourself immortal and capable of understanding all, all arts, all sciences, the nature of every living being. Mount higher than the highest height; descend lower than the lowest depth. Draw into yourself all sensations of everything created, fire and water, dry and moist, imagining that you are everywhere, on earth, in the sea, in the sky, that you are not yet born, in the maternal womb, adolescent, old, dead, beyond death. If you embrace in your thought all things at once, times, places, substances, qualities, quantities, you may understand God."

Thank you Leo! you are the Socrates/Bruno/Plato of our time.....corrupting the youth and all....it's a pleasure being apart of this group

But where would "God" or the "book of life" be stored then? And if they don't need to be stored anywhere why do you?

Do Sadguru's inner engineering course and everything about you will change. Otherwise just REALLY WANT to quit and eventually you will. The reason this is true because there was a time in your life when you REALLY WANTED to have nothing more than endless time on your phone.....and you made that happen too.

You guys got me. So true and mind blowing.

All the great spiritual forums across the universe will also never be known by us. There could be planet where the average forum participant is 1000x more advanced than on planet earth.....this is a humbling

We also won't know all the good books aliens have written. Most humans won't even know all the great books humans have written.

"Unless you make yourself equal to God, you cannot understand God: for the like is not intelligible save to the like. Make yourself grow to a greatness beyond measure, by a bound free yourself from the body; raise yourself above all time, become Eternity; then you will understand God. Believe that nothing is impossible for you, think yourself immortal and capable of understanding all, all arts, all sciences, the nature of every living being. Mount higher than the highest height; descend lower than the lowest depth. Draw into yourself all sensations of everything created, fire and water, dry and moist, imagining that you are everywhere, on earth, in the sea, in the sky, that you are not yet born, in the maternal womb, adolescent, old, dead, beyond death. If you embrace in your thought all things at once, times, places, substances, qualities, quantities, you may understand God." -Giordano Bruno

This post took an interesting direction. However, Bruno is saying the same thing as Leo, but over 500 years ago. And same thing Jesus, Mohamad, and the Buddha said. All disagreement is just due to misinterpretation.

You are in a volleyball forum arguing why soccer is better and I'm not sure why. But I will indulge you a little if you like. Studies and tests don't matter when talking about consciousness since studies and tests are in consciousness. Even scientists who study consciousness admit this. Yes this is true. We call this an insight and what this forum is all about. Another good question is where is all the information in the universe stored, if not in consciousness? Consciousness is the only apparent answer, and there can be no other answer, not even in theory. Hope you find this interesting. I probably won't reply if your answer is just mindless angry arguing. But if you are interested in a healthy debate where both sides can learn something I look forward to your answer.

Wish we could discuss our favorite books somehow without giving away the titles. Anyway the book list is great highly recommend reading them.

Here's a quote by Giordano Bruno sounds lot like Leo, what you think? "Unless you make yourself equal to God, you cannot understand God: for the like is not intelligible save to the like. Make yourself grow to a greatness beyond measure, by a bound free yourself from the body; raise yourself above all time, become Eternity; then you will understand God. Believe that nothing is impossible for you, think yourself immortal and capable of understanding all, all arts, all sciences, the nature of every living being. Mount higher than the highest height; descend lower than the lowest depth. Draw into yourself all sensations of everything created, fire and water, dry and moist, imagining that you are everywhere, on earth, in the sea, in the sky, that you are not yet born, in the maternal womb, adolescent, old, dead, beyond death. If you embrace in your thought all things at once, times, places, substances, qualities, quantities, you may understand God."

Great idea. Like a book club. We could number each book and use the number instead of the title (so as to not give the titles away for people who didn't pay for it)

Thanks @Sempiternity So it the same thing Leo is saying except that "you don't make yourself God" cause you already are. One could realize theey are God by taking 5meo for example right?

The quote says "Free yourself from the body"....."become eternity"....."you are everywhere"...that's sounds exactly what Leo says. If Bruno's quote is an ego trap than so are Leo's.

Sadly you lack in this department

You said you are finite and not God, I provided a quote with a contradictory claim. You also said consciousness could be measured in theory and I asked how but you never replied. @Ahbapx

So Giordano Bruno had it wrong?... "Unless you make yourself equal to God, you cannot understand God: for the like is not intelligible save to the like. Make yourself grow to a greatness beyond measure, by a bound free yourself from the body; raise yourself above all time, become Eternity; then you will understand God. Believe that nothing is impossible for you, think yourself immortal and capable of understanding all, all arts, all sciences, the nature of every living being. Mount higher than the highest height; descend lower than the lowest depth. Draw into yourself all sensations of everything created, fire and water, dry and moist, imagining that you are everywhere, on earth, in the sea, in the sky, that you are not yet born, in the maternal womb, adolescent, old, dead, beyond death. If you embrace in your thought all things at once, times, places, substances, qualities, quantities, you may understand God." Yes a hurricane can be measured in theory but how can you measure consciousness? Which molecule to you theoretically start at?

Trippy AF

Where does it end and where does it begin?

I question this assumption. In a dream or in near death experiences people report "seeing" yet they have no eyes.

@bebotalkBad people don't exist. Only bad behaviours do.

@Clarence Yes this is a tough situation indeed. You are doing a valiant and admirable thing by stepping up and helping the people around you who need help. This experience will serve you well in the future. Hang in there, at 93 there isn't much time left and things will change soon. The universe will reward you very soon for your good deeds.