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my conclusion is that cold approach lowers self esteem because the majority of men who try cold approach are guys with mental illness and social skills. also, even if a mentally healthy man who came from a good family did a bunch of cold approaches, he could also see his self esteem lowered. it's also my conclusion that a small % of people benefit from cold approach, and that's why it's not widely practiced, nor has it ever been. l wouldnt say that cold approach is a problem, but it doesnt appear effective, and practical especially if youre looking for dates

it's not just him. l've seen it with several guys who started doing cold approach only to go into withdrawl and seclusion. one guy in particular, tiago, he did cold approach for 2 months, and these days he does not even say hi to females anymore. but i should also add that he was/is mentally ill with depresion, autism, anxiety, etc, and so were the other guys. the other guys also have bad reputation amongst their peers. tiago, in particular will be extremely critical of other pua's and say things like "i cant believe saul has known about pick up for 5yrs, and he still cant get a date", or "rashid is too fat. he needs to lose some weight before he does cold approaches". and ineed tiago himself will say that he needs to lose weight before he does cold approach, and thats the official excuse he gives for not doing cold approach anymore, even though he swears cold approach is a great idea. but from my angle, it looks like his self esteem cant handle the rejection. he also seems like an introverted guy to the point where he looks like he is in pain to interact with anyone new. now there are other guys l know who are stil doing pick up even though theyve been rejected hundreds of times, but then these guys are so desensitized that they end up coming off as sociopathic and have no regard for those around them. maybe william is one of them. he just comes off as one of those pushy salesmen, but gets very emotional if he does not get his way

no they said something to the effect that hes a predator because he was approaching some teenagers although not specifically. u know how people love to sensationalize that. he isnt my friend. i just noticed him approaching a bunch of random females. l dont think ive ever even talked to him, but alot of people in the park talk about him, and he has made himself quite well known. he was even thrown in jail for 9 months for making death threats

he was doing it in a big city, but he would show up at the same park day in and day out, and there were/are regulars there. alot of skaters, and thugs hang out there and were agresive towards him especially after they were spreading rumors that he was a creep. l think the main thing that they try to bully him on is the age gap. as a matter of fact, he lived in the ghetto in the projects but would commute to the buji part of town just to approach. his commute was 1hr daily each way. so 2hrs total. another thing to note is that even though this was in a big city, the people who frequented this park would post stories on social media about creepy guys aka pua. alot of people just get off on making others look bad to have someone to bully. l think there was even someone who posted paper flyers on light posts about some pua. in their mind, theyre warning others to protect females. so they think of what theyre doing as righteous as opposed to bullying someone, but i think theres a fine line there

well the problem is, most guys who approach will try to approach really beautiful females, and many of those beautiful females are used to being placed on a pedestal and therefore not feel the need to be nice. so these guys are met with hostility and agresion, and thats where the lowered self esteem comes

depends on what you mean by results but he said he got lots of phone numbers, and ive seen him talking to many females for as long as 1 hr. i thought the females were feeling him, but when someone asked him if he got any results, he said that these females wouldnt return his calls. so he could get conversations, and phone numbers, but couldnt secure dates. one of his problems might also be that he was going for females much younger than himself, and also he would go for very attractive females who often came from money, and had high standards, ie going for rich guys. this 40k guy (william) lives in the projects and might be on food stamps. another problem william has is that he goes to rich neighborhoods to cold approach as opposed to approaching in his own neighborhood. alot of the females from those rich neighborhoods tend to be very status oriented, and materialistic, and william doesnt match up to their standards. as far as im concerned, william normally doesnt leave the metropolitan area while the females he approaches tends to do lots of international travel. when william approaches, he doesnt take lifestyle into consideration. all he sees is a pretty face and jumps at her. he doesnt read body language or anything. he comes at her from behind, the side, etc.

yea and im sure he got similar responses which is why most guys self esteem lower when faced with responses like that

here is the guy i am talking about. he was trying to do a cold approach on this female but ended up getting bullied by her https://www.instagram.com/gaia_is_i/reel/Cz4jdjiJUzI/

he has tried peacocking. he dresses in 1920s suits. he is also part of a running club. one thing that he doesnt change is the location. he keeps going back to the same place which is why he built up a reputation of being a pua, and everyone turned against him. the location he goes to is also frequented by alot of other pua, putting the females on guard. when someone asked him why he is still going there despite the odds against him. he said "i like the challenge"

yes, as a matter of fact. this guy was bullied, and still is bullied. he was also in special ed, and is autistic. l think alot of people bully him now because he attracts females because theyre attractive, regardless of age. since he's in his mid 30s, and is approaching 15 yr olds, many random people in the community have turned against him. l also think thats an important thing to consider when looking at cold approaches. alot of random people from the community love to spread rumors, and get involved to turn against you and label you as a creep. even when you see 30 yr olds approach 20 yr olds you still have plenty of people in the community who are ready to spread rumors that youre a creep and that youre harasing females. and then there is never a shortage of people in the community who are more than willing to join in on the bash the creep movement. lm neither for or against this but l have seen many people just love that witch hunt

i look at the mistakes he makes so that i dont make the same. also l study what he does that is pushing people away

he starts all his approaches with "youre beautiful", and then proceeds to say other things. he will also say other strange things like, do you have a needle, theres a hole in my shirt

so i was looking at another topic here named cold approach therapy, and i was thinking that not only is it not theraputic but probably will damage your self esteem. l know about 10 guys who do cold approaches, and none of them ever get dates. they get nothing but rejection. l cant imagine this being theraputic. if you feel better as a result of getting rejected by females you're interested in, then there's something wrong with you. most of the guys i know just became scared of females, and avoided talking to females entirely. theres a guy i know who wont even say hi to females anymore let alone cold approach them, and l think this has alot to do with getting rejected in previous cold approaches. he took some pick up artist classes, read some books, and did cold approach for a few months, then just stopped. i know another guy who did over 40k approaches. said he got some phone numbers, but no one called him back. he spends most of his time feeling sorry for himself.