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From his paradigm this is smart. Part of me wishes I’d done it lol.

It’s more that you hit tier 2 or even just green and you stop caring. If you have the karma that drives you towards PUA, which I did, I argue burning through it in a condensed few years is better than letting that insecurity linger and pollute the rest of your life. It would have been better to have a normal adolescence and not have this karma, but is what it is, and after these few years I got over it and basically don’t care about validation from women anymore (except in the context of a relationship, but that’s different). Sometimes I relapse a bit, for a few weeks after a breakup. But I don’t think I’ll become that middle-aged guy who still leers at his early-twenties employees or his teenage daughter’s friends. I don’t even think the geo-maxing is that weird. Most guys try to geo-max but in a stupid way, e.g., moving to NYC or Miami in their early 20s in part for the dating prospects, not realizing that although the women there are hot, they won’t have the status to access them on favorable terms (in most cases).

I get that you don’t care. But if we’re on the topic of what’s feasible or not, I would agree that you’d likely have better luck elsewhere, and it doesn’t have to be Eastern Europe where there’s not much else to do. (Actually I love it there now, but it’s an acquired taste.) In a big English-friendly European city like Berlin, Lisbon, Prague, or Amsterdam, your luck would be totally different. Not with plastic Vegas/Miami-looking girls, but pretty-enough girls with multiple master’s degrees. Even Seattle or San Diego would probably be much easier. After this crazy year in Eastern Europe, I spent a winter in Florida (which I assume has similar people to Vegas) and could only go on one date with a single mom. Product-market fit has to be right.

You can make it work with less outlandish photos if you niche down a bit + churn through higher volume to find people responsive to your niche. My niche was intellectual girls (grad students, artists, journalists, occasionally lawyers and doctors) into guys from the Anglosphere. My profile and photos were optimized for that. And I bought several boosts a week, sometimes several boosts a day in the winter when it was too cold to do daygame. You don’t need huge amounts of money to do this, $80k per year or so is fine if you can make it in a few hours per day (possible with most high-skill remote jobs).

A few hundred dollars a month plus the upfront costs of the photos. That’s really nothing if this is important to you.

I think you underestimate how much social proof and status can overcome these issues. Even pua gurus have groupies and that’s the most repellent possible online persona. I am a lapsed scientist and I’ve made it work for me despite having nowhere near the pop online profile Leo has. That said, for it to work with game: 1) girl needs to indicate some at least superficial interest in the topic 2) need to discuss it in a playful way without going into logical depth until you’re already pair-bonded. What matters is that you have status in an area she is interested in, not the details. You go into details only if she tries to test your knowledge, and even so it’s often a trap to push you into logic-mode and kill the vibe, so you stay playful. I had some short joke in my profile about being a failed professor and 40% of my matches would ask about it and about 1/3 of those would schedule dates. Was a good screen for girls with at least some intellectual interests. Notice I’m making a self-deprecating joke about it, not bragging or going into any depth unless prompted by the girl. If I were Leo I’d put something a bit playful like “alleged cult leader” and you can bet a good percentage of matches would ask, “what cult did you start?” Attractiveness and intelligence are on bell curves. But the world’s big enough that there are a lot of women in the top 5-10% of both. And many of them have idiosyncratic taste but it involves a lot of volume and effort to find them.

Hmm, I must have an exaggerated sense of how much being online-famous can overcome looks. Not that the YT channel would generate leads, but if my profile had dumbed down actualization content to screen a bit, then sent my matches my channel with millions of views and gave the matches tailored recommendations on what to watch, I would be shocked if it didn’t work with enough impression volume at the TOFU.

I knew guys who did that + Instagram ads (for recognizability not direct response) + metro ads + started semi-legit modeling agencies. If you have a bit of money you can push it to insane extremes. He’s not a coach with a digital persona. None of these guys are coaches except for one Chinese-British guy, but he’s changing his image so I’d need to ask before posting. He gamed so hard he got stabbed, and was calling us from the Ukrainian hospital bragging about how they tried to push him out of set but he “didn’t back down” lmao.

Yeah and if you relocate to Ukraine or South America, top 30% in looks will get you the same bump top 10% gets you in the West. But you can get a lot of numbers from cold approach too. You’re shifting the goalposts. We were talking about feasibility of the numbers jmulv claims and the numbers I reported (to contextualize that jmulv’s claims of 1000 lays are not that outlandish). Not whether all of the girls were super hot or had the best morals. You and Leo claimed those numbers were outlandish even with average girls, I’m saying they’re not if you’re extremely dedicated with lots of free time and stack the odds in your favor. Of course it’s weird behavior to move to a 3rd world country and game 10 hours per day. I’m pretty weird and got bored with it after a year. But imagine the results you could get optimizing the process for 10 years, which is what many of these guys do. While having a few million dollars to get 1:1 coaching and a nice apartment with perfect logistics. There are other tactics too but I don’t want to dox people. We all agree Jmulv is a creep. My point is, you can get the numbers he claims if you are determined to do it, it’s not impossible. Nor do you have to be exceptionally good-looking, you just have to build a high-volume repeatable funnel.

Except in literally did it and know 10 people still doing it. They’re top 10% intelligence / aggression / sex drive people from the richest countries in the world who organized their entire lives around doing only this. It’s possible, although Leo’s pushback has made me question that perhaps not anyone can do it — in part because there’s a strong resistance to accepting it’s possible.

Yeah and that was in the West. Now imagine being a well-off Westerner in Ukraine, Russia, or Brazil. There are guys who got into PUA in the peak RSD years, retired in their 30s and dedicate themselves only to this for 10-15 years and never evolve past it. It’s the main focus in their lives. Pathetic? Yes. Fun for a few years? Yes, although I’m glad I got out of it and didn’t become one of them.

That’s totally bizarre. I don’t want to say pathetic because none of this actually matters really. But if you scale volume enough you should be able to do 4-5 pulls a month at least in a developing country, and 1-2 per month in a first-world city, even with a full-time job. If you’re not there after 2-3 years of consistent practice then something is wrong.

The best guys in the world ime are not pros, they’re these weird semi-retired rich guys drifting through Eastern Europe and South America. Within these circles my results (I don’t claim 1000 like Jmulv, I don’t count but it’s in line with what I described above) are average at best. Tbh I think any able-bodied person can do similar numbers given the time, dedication, repetition, and willingness to realistically adjust standards and maximize their value. But having the time to put in the reps required is rare. Not a lot of people have the time or inclination to learn basic Russian and spend 10 hours a day doing approaches on Khreshatyk and in Ukrainian nightclubs, which is what’s required to achieve those stats.

Agree he would lie, and probably does, but 1,000 lay count or whatever is not that impressive in itself if you’re a professional PUA and have moderate standards. If you’re moderately handsome and okay sleeping with average girls, and your entire job is chasing women, 4-5 pulls a week is doable especially in developing countries (and he was going to such places) with only moderate effort. I’m not a professional (although I probably could be) and I routinely pulled 3 times per week in Ukraine and Romania in addition to my full-time remote job lol while not taking it very seriously and blowing off good leads because I was tired or not motivated. In Kyiv there was a black British guy who routinely pulled 3 times in a day. But he was a genetic freak, combination of extremely high sex drive and extremely high self-confidence. Has been interviewed by social scientists because he’s such an outlier. Point is it’s possible if it’s all you do, especially if you add Tinder to cold approach, and if you have VAs run your multiple Tinder account(s), which is common among guys like JMULV. The only thing unusual would be not getting bored or burnt out before reaching such numbers.

why do you assume he actually has highest lay count. that’s just his marketing USP.