Cosmic-Resplendence

It gets tricky talking about "unconditioned mind" or "original mind” even “no mind” referring to a state of mind that is pure, free from the conditioning and experiences that shape a person’s perceptions and reactions. A return to a naturally clear, untainted state of awareness. In one sense that sounds like the way a baby’s mind might be, but its not likely that exactly. It’s also different probably from enlightened mind, or Cosmic Consciousness, Christ Consciousness, etc.

Yes one type is You are correct, I doubt Christ Consciousness, or being in divinity with the infinite, enlightenment is quite the same thing as how a baby or cat experiences its existence, however transcending the mind is subjective in and of itself, there’s likely a variety, possibly an infinite number of states of transcending consciousness, what Leo calls, different flavors of consciousness. It gets complicated very quickly, and no two experiences are the same thing really. Reminds me of the saying “The hand that points to the moon, is not the moon”.

Yup, I’ve heard her story a few times from different places, this Ted Talk is quite good. I think in another interview she said that as great as it was being in that Nirvana like state, that there’s a downside too, and that she’d have a difficult time choosing only one or the other. Both sides have pros and cons it sounds like. I thought she lost connection to that conscious state after a while, after having lived that way for several years while she relearned how to talk, and get her left brain, logic, analytical thinking back in order again. However in this talk she sounds like she maintained a connection to it.

Anyone here know about the story of Jill Bolte Taylor? She’s a brain scientist who woke up with having a stroke one morning causing a major shift in her consciousness. In her particular case, It caused her thinking part of her brain to stop functioning, and she basically became like a baby or infant again for some time, living purely in the present moment, very similar to what they call no mind. She had to relearn how to speak, and everything. Her experience is very interesting.

The only problem with chasing mystical experiences is that the more of them you have, a person might start thinking they’re more advanced, special, or better in some way than the next person. It can quickly turn into puffing up the ego, and attachment to their experiences instead of letting go of attachment and shrinking ones ego. You see it in psychedelic users too who think they’re something special because of all of their psychedelic use. It can become almost like competition between each other. Most spiritual knowledge say this is a trap, and the prison is ones own ego, not keeping it in check. I think in Buddhism they say to not pay much attention to your meditation experiences, just accept them and keep up with the practice month to month, year to year. The ego is a slippery slope indeed. On the other hand, mystical experiences are fine, they help lead a person deeper in their spiritual quest, you know? Just so long as it doesn’t go to their head.

I just wanted to add that this technique works in making mystical experiences happen. Just realize that chasing after spiritual experiences is a sort of ego stroking which may keep one tied to their egoic mind in the long run. Some philosophies, Hindu and Buddhism would suggest against doing this. The same with psychedelic use, in chasing spiritual / mystical experiences.

Another powerful technique you can do that will take you VERY DEEP in your meditation, is to wake up around 3:30 - 4:00 AM, after having slept for several hours. Wake up and start meditating then. Your mind having already been in deep sleep for a few hours will easily slip back into deep states of consciousness. However your biggest obstacle will be to not immediately fall back to sleep. Just don’t be surprised if you find yourself having very strange experiences. Once My whole body felt like intense vibrations moving through it after doing this, and it was actually quite intense, kinda freaked me out actually. This technique is well known with trying to induce Out of Body experiences. Might take a bit of effort in practicing this, but you’re more likely to have meditation break throughs doing this, then meditating in the middle of the day when you’re wide awake. Doing this only once or twice probably won’t be enough, but consider doing this technique regularly for several weeks or even months and you’ll get positive experiential results.

Good topic! I was going to try and add something to this discussion, but I come up with nothing.

Instead of fighting against your distractions, give them a little love and acceptance, and they’ll cease being distractions.

I discovered a simple technique that has helped me, try it, perhaps it might help you… I for a while would get distractions while meditating in the form of an itch, or scratchiness on my face or shoulder or something similar… I used to just itch it, but each time I’d do this… It would set me back for a bit of time, and it would take me a little while to get back to where I was before I moved my arm. Instead of scratching it… I started to imagine myself lovingly embracing the distraction… Literally noticing the itch, and visualizing myself embracing the itch like hugging it as a form of acceptance. Sometimes I’d even say in my mind that I accept this distraction. Not sure exactly how or why, but this changed my meditations very quickly and now I rarely ever have a distracting itch or scratch anymore. I try to use this technique now if I have any sort of distraction that appears while meditating.

Have you ever read the “Tibetan Book of Living and Dying”? Its one of the best books about -Detaching.

Some probably won’t agree with me, but I say Its wrong simply because its like the biggest insult you could give back to the universe. In a way its like kicking God in the balls basically. Maybe “God” isn’t the best word to use, but you get the idea?

Not sure if this goes with the conversation exactly. I was just reading something about that, true awakenings, the really big ones, only happen once or twice in a persons lifetime, and you aren’t in control of making it happen, even if you’re doing everything right, the right meditation, the right practice, Its completely outside of what the ego wants. Further that when it comes, a person must be ready for it and grab onto it or else it’ll pass and you’ll miss the moment or opportunity. However with that said, these moments come usually around either the peak of a persons development in their life, or during their worst times, “Dark night of the soul”. Something about opposites, can’t have good without bad, up without down, as above so below, etc, that’s why it happens, if it happens, at the best and or worst periods of a persons life. Something about this seems to feel right in my mind… maybe.

And if you aren’t getting up I guess you’re dying?

Maybe higher consciousness was simply bored, and wanted to go through the whole process of working back up to higher consciousness again. Think of it like being at Disney World, after you ride the roller coaster, what does a person do…. Get back in line to ride it again.

I just read about a term I never had heard before that might be applicable here… "Fallen Dhyan Chohan" refers to a concept in some spiritual or philosophical teachings that may symbolize a being or state having fallen from a higher spiritual or enlightened state. The term "Dhyan" often relates to meditation and inner focus, while "Chohan" can indicate a master or spiritual teacher. In this context, a "fallen Dhyan Chohan" could imply a master who has lost their elevated state of consciousness or spiritual connection due to various reasons, such as attachment to the material world or personal struggles. In the context where I read this suggested that many of the beings here are really fallen Dhyan Chohan beings. Maybe life is really just a game of cycles, like waves, moving up, and moving down… ebbing and flowing.

I seem to find obscure actualized, consciousness and enlightenment books like my last review, “Thinking and Destiny” by Harold Percival. So here’s another one probably not many have heard of, and that’s “Experience and Philosophy” By Franklin Merrell Wolff. I’ve had this book for fifteen years or something, Its very interesting but once again its very dense reading material. It seems that people who reach enlightenment and true realization can’t explain what happened to them simply, but Franklin Merrell Wolff does a fairly decent job, trying to explain the ineffable, still its a complex book to fully understand. I know how they (gurus) often say that you won’t understand what they write about unless you’re ready, and perhaps have had a few realizations along the way, Merrell Wolff is no exception here. Regardless, there’s a lot of gems in this book if you’re willing to give it some time and effort. In writing about it here I realize I really need to read it again myself, its been a while. There’s an interesting and large section in the back of the book with 56 aphorisms, universal truths he came to the realization of through his personal experiences, and then another commentary section there after to explain these fundamental truths as he understood them. I believe Franklin Merrell Wolff is legit. He was a scholar mathematician, he went to Harvard, and briefly started teaching as professor of Mathematics at Stanford University with a promising future career, but turned it all down to follow a spiritual path instead as an ascetic. I couldn’t see someone dropping a promising career like that unless they really tapped into something worth while, and Wolff definitely seemed to feel this way. I’m not going to say this is the best spiritual book coming from a person who claimed to reach enlightenment ever written, but its worth it to grab a copy if you can find one. I think this book is somewhat rare, and might be difficult to obtain. -Actually I just checked on Amazon, looks like its been reprinted so its available, but the version in the photo is quite rare. There’s a few rave reviews on Amazon, with worst critics saying its too difficult to understand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Merrell-Wolff Here’s a page from the website dedicated to him with a lot more information about Franklin Merrell Wolff, and portions from the book to get a better idea about Wolff and his teachings. https://www.merrell-wolff.org/fmw/philosophy

Cool topic! I traveled solo to Argentina and to the Iguazú Waterfalls once. It was one of the best travel experiences I ever had. I think once you do it, you get a sense of accomplishment, slight ego boost which may help ones self esteem overall. I backpacked across Europe in the late 1990s as well, and lived in Mexico City, Mexico for three months for work once but those don’t count since I went with a travel buddy, or several when I lived in Mexico for the summer. Over all, traveling can sort of reset your internal compass in many beneficial ways! Highly recommended that you do some journeying around the globe sometime in your life if you can!

I need this as I’ve fallen out from my meditation habit as of late.

I thought this article from Psychology Today was interesting. It seems that modern psychology is just starting to recognize a spontaneous spiritual awakening for what it is, compared to some kind of a psychological break down, which is generally how they would judge this type of experience in the past. Strange I’ve seen bits here and there suggesting that many people being treated for psychological disturbances, some of them might actually be having spiritual awakenings. Igor Kufayev suggested this. Also I saw a video recently about supposedly real Kundalini awakenings and in it they mentioned that some people experience spontaneous Kundalini activation but often the person has no idea what is happening to them, and they think they are having some sort of a break down, hearing and seeing things that others don’t. Reminds me in one of Leo’s vids he suggests that maybe to really know God, it would appear as someone loosing their sanity so to speak from the outside. -Break Downs and Shift Ups-

I was just watching a video talking about this, and why some fall back asleep after awakening. Daniel Schmidt loosely talks about this during the second half of the presentation, after about 21:45 minutes in and he talks about “How does one Awaken” and going forward from there. Something about purifying the conditioned patterns of the self, making the self less dense so to speak. He says the first matter is to wake up to who you truly are, but if the self isn’t purified so to speak one may easily fall back asleep, pulled back to sleep by the whirlpool of the mind. The purification isn’t necessary to awaken, however, purifying the self IS necessary to stay awakened. Very interesting what he has to say here, great video infact. I’d suggest watching the whole video though to put everything he says into proper perspective.

Any (BOC) Boards of Canada fans here? I had stopped listening to them for a while, after being almost a fanatic with their music for many years, finally had to take a long break. However then I started listening to a few songs again tonight. They always get me thinking about life and deep thoughts when I listen to their stuff. If you like Ambient / Electronic music and never heard of them, you should check them out! You’re in for a real treat! They’re quite prolific, but heres a few a few of my favorites below… I just noticed the “Music you like” thread, maybe I should have posted this there. Everything You Do is a Balloon Left Side Drive Kid for Today Red Moss

I’m very interested in this substance, the Malt I mean, for spiritual growth. Still seems to only be illegal in Turkey as far as I know.

I think ones health and diet eat play a large part. Shamans who do Ayahuasca ceremonies are very assertive about a persons diet, leading up to the Ayahuasca ceremony. You’ll have to research it though… Here’s one page I just found. Someone should write a book just about this subject, and not just in relation to Ayahuasca. https://psychable.com/ayahuasca/the-ayahuasca-diet-what-is-it-and-why-do-it

Ah, never mind I see you have another link to the meaning above.