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I don't find any problem with adderall and shrooms. I think adderall and LSD would too much for my body to handle. I usually don't take adderall if I'm tripping just because I like to keep a trip feeling pure, but if you take adderall regularly and have a tolerance it will most likely make little difference. Just remember many psychedelics have similar effects to stimulants like increased heart rate, sweating, etc. I guess it just depends on the person and the psychedelic you are looking to do.

You're a genius. Never forget it

I have been contemplating the safety of 5meo-DMT. I only have a bit of experience with the substance, and have only "crossed the threshold" once, experiencing a deep fear, a scary body response, followed by an eternal nothingness. Then, I was overcome with the deepest gratitude I have ever felt to be alive coming back, and deep appreciation for the dream we call life. I could tell that I was "creating reality", and that I loved dreaming, and that I chose to "go back to sleep". I knew I was alone. Fully alone. I now know without a question of a doubt I am God, and that reality is entirely mental projection. This has required much integration and understanding. Since then, I have used the drug in much smaller doses, usually as a meditative tool. My ROA was always vaping, or I would sprinkle some freebase 5meo with marijuana. I can not bring myself to try for a full-release again for multiple reasons. Every single time I do 5meo, I have a very similar response. An increase in heart rate, very shallow breathing, then what feels like very low blood pressure and a slowed heart rate. I always just convinced myself this drug is generally safe, especially in small doses. And these effects are no big deal. This seems to be the consensus on this forum. But recently, I experienced something very scary. On a very small dose, I experienced a distinct heart palpitation. My heart was already beating very slowly. It felt almost like my heart was remembering to beat. I felt intense fear. Like I could kill myself by going any deeper or letting go. In that moment an intuitive voice notioned to me, almost like a sort of divine intervention. "This drug will actually kill you, for real, not just psychological death, but real death. Cardiac arrest." I have experienced ego-death on other psychedelics before, and have had horrible trips, but I have never felt something like that. This was real, and there is no convincing me otherwise. In that moment I knew how deeply dangerous this drug could be. I still feel this, and in a sense, am looking to others to convince me I am wrong or just overreacting. I will preface this by saying I have not had any tests done on my heart before experimenting with this substance. I could have some problem. Also, I realize heart palpitations can be normal, and are not always a sign for alarm, but this intuitive voice needed to be heard. I truly believe this drug can cause serious problems with your cardiac or respiratory system. Right now I plan on never touching 5meo again. I know what most here will say including what Leo has said before- "You would not have actually died etc, nobody has died off that low of a dose" People will also say "low doses are harder on the body- you didn't do enough". In this thread, the user puporing claims to having almost died from boofing 15mg of 5meo. Leo responded: I can't help but feel like Leo was wrong. Without a proper facilitator, @puporing could have died. They could have passed out, vomited and choked, could've stopped breathing, could've had a seizure, could've tried to get up and fallen and hit his head. I feel they could've also gone into cardiac arrest. Puporing was also experimenting without a facilitator. I would go so far as to say you could die for real, even with an experienced facilitator, and they may not be able to save you. In the thread, people argue with puporing, saying that he/she would've been fine, that his/her former experiences of ego death were not ego death, and this was real ego death, etc. Puporing insists it was not just "struggling to breathe" but that he/she was suffocating. Puporing claims commenters were gaslighting their former trips and experiences of ego death in the past to claim "you were just experiencing ego death for the first time, you only thought you had experienced it before." I know ego death comes with a physical feeling of dying. This usually happens with ego-death. But part of the problem with 5meo-dmt is that the entire point of the drug is to "die". So in a sense, people will downplay the reports from people claiming to have "almost died". But I am trying to parse how much of this experience is actually BECAUSE you are dying physically, or are coming close enough to physical death that you are experiencing the ego dissolution, then as the drug wears off, you survive, and feel this "gratitude for life and appreciation for the dream" simply because you survived. Psychologically there are obviously dangers, but I'm more focused on real dangers to the body. A part of me wants to go back and explore this substance on a deeper level. There is some calling to try this again, or 5meo-MALT or DiPT if those are somehow safer. But this has freaked me the fuck out and I can't help but make this post. In Leo's video introduction of 5meo, he recommends snorting about 20mgs of 5meo for your first experience. I can't help but feel that this is incredibly dangerous, especially for a "normie" who might stumble across his video. Here is a link to the health problems reported from people on Erowid: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_5MeODMT_Health_Problems.shtml Seizure and convulsions from insufflation (15-25mg doses), Blacking out, flailing limbs, falling, Short term breathing problems during the experience, Long term breathing problems, Memory loss- short-term and long-term (think alzheimer's), Cardiovascular effects ( rapid heartbeat, slow heart beat, heart palpitations), Muscle spasms, Nausea are all reported. I will say most of these reports are from incorrect dosages or mixing with other drugs. DO NOT TAKE 5MEO WITH AN MAOI! DO NOT DO 5meo IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD PROPER SLEEP! There have been reported deaths from 5meo. Most people explain these away by saying it was in combination with other stuff, like ibogaine and MAOI's. Does anyone have an idea of the total number of deaths associated with this drug? There is at least one user on reddit I saw who claimed he died (for real) on 5meo. His heart stopped and he was resuscitated. I worry that there are many more associated deaths with 5meo that we simply are not aware of, and many more incidences of cardiac arrest and seizures that we aren't aware of. I don't know if there are other deaths going unreported? It seems very possible. When someone dies from a drug OD, do they always autopsy? This is a genuine question. I don't know why it feels like most people think this drug is generally safe. They preface this by saying "If you don't have heart problems or epilepsy you will be fine." But do you really know how healthy you are? Do you know if you have a heart complication? I understand that most people understand the risks but I can't help but feel like it is downplayed a lot, when we really don't know how dangerous this stuff would be if it were more popular, if there were more clinical studies, how many people would be admitted for seizures or cardiac arrest, how many people would be dead. If you search online, it's almost all positives of this drug, cures depression, anxiety, PTSD, alcoholism, etc. I feel like some of these sites or publications are biased, present all the studies showing the benefits of the drug, without mentioning potential death/danger. This that what worries me about Leo: -Leo has also said things like "You can't throw up when you haven't eaten anything for 4 hours in advance" seemingly trying to convince people not to worry about doing 5meo alone. But others here have claimed that they didn't eat in advance, and still ended up throwing up. This is concerning to suggest people are generally safe to do this drug alone without a facilitator if they don't eat in advance. -There is a video somewhere of Leo talking about doing 5meo while in his bathtub (incredibly dangerous behavior and irresponsible). -Leo did 5meo-DMT every day for 30 days (that's his choice but people look up to him and replicate his actions. To many people he is their spiritual guru) -Leo has health problems he is not disclosing to his audience after a long history with this substance. He has not discussed whether his health problems have anything to do with his 5meo use or drug use. If it is regarding his drug use he needs to disclose more information as he has many people following him thinking 5meo is safe. ---------------------------------------------------------- Random links: This article lists the effects of 5meo dmt, on sheep, cats, mice, and monkeys. Effects include lethal effects- staggers, ataxia, mydriasis, head nodding, sham rage, stringy salivation, tremors, convulsions, hypothermia, tachycardia, and respitory failure. It's safe to assume all these symptoms are possible for humans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3028383/ Seizure after 10mg dose- https://www.reddit.com/r/5MeODMT/comments/owsol7/looking_for_insight_on_first_5meo_experience/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Neurological Damage/Epilepsy- https://www.reddit.com/r/5MeODMT/comments/s2e6o6/can_5meodmt_cause_neurological_damage_or_epilepsy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button (This person claims 5meo is a poison, and caused neurological damage and epilepsy. He is wrong about the poison thing. I don't really believe his claims but don't want to dismiss his xperience either) Death from 5meo-DMT: https://academic.oup.com/jat/article-abstract/29/8/838/716730?redirectedFrom=PDF Death from 5meo-DiPT: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7366431_A_fatal_poisoning_with_5-methoxy-NN-diisopropyltryptamine_Foxy Rhabdomyolysis After Ingestion of 5meo-DiPT: https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)61905-8/fulltext Here's an article going in depth on Octavius Rettig, a gentleman responsible for deaths related to 5meo (he's a total psychopath). Be incredibly careful with facilitators who claim to know what they are doing. You may be going to a facilitator charging you thousands of dollars who could overdose you. They may not even know CPR. They could ruin your entire life: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/03/28/the-pied-piper-of-psychedelic-toads Dangers Of Excessive 5-MeO-DMT and How to Protect Yourself and Loved Ones From Harm | Chad Charles- Here is that same podcast criticizing Leo and his irresponsible approach. They mention a friend that died from doing 5meo- Any more useful links? ---------------------------------------------------------- I am trying to address this without fear-mongering. If it wasn't for this intuition I would just think 5meo is generally safe. But any drug that is playing with your heart, giving you difficulty breathing, and induces seizures is NOT SAFE! Does anyone have an idea of how many people have died from 5meo-DMT? I heard somewhere between 10-15 reported deaths. It seems incredibly difficult to get an accurate number. If I changed ROA would it be less intense and safer on the body? I thought this, and considered boofing or snorting, until I read puporing's report after boofing, and the report of the seizure after a 10mg insufflated dose. I am not a doctor or scientist. I am just some dude that likes psychedelics, so don't jump down my throat. But I feel completely insane when I see people talking about doing 5meo the way they do. Doing it very regularly at high doses or mixing with other drugs. Or doing it alone. People also like combining 5meo with MDMA. Seems incredibly dangerous. 5meo is addressed so casually here on this forum. I feel like we should stop acting like this is some magic drug for enlightenment that is "generally safe". I can't help but feel like this sentiment comes with a large amount of hubris. Most other psychedelics are safer than 5meo. I have experienced ego death on mushrooms and regular n,n-DMT. People sell 5meo as a magical "enlightenment drug" that will surely help your life and awaken you for good. This is not even true. I worry very strongly for the safety surrounding 5meo as this gets popular. P.S. I don't want to give Leo too hard of a time and had to edit to give Leo some love. Responsibility falls on the user, and Leo is navigating uncharted territory a lot of the time with these substances. He is a huge advocate for psychedelics, and he does an amazing job parsing this stuff. His intention is not to lead you into danger. It is your responsibility to be safe and have a proper foundation yourself. And if Leo is doing this drug alone, it is because he is particularly familiar with the drug. So as a listener or follower of Leo, don't just follow in Leo's footsteps, listen to your body and make sure you are doing it safely. You have to start at incredibly low doses and work up to a bigger dose. Get a mg scale, don't mix compounds, no MAOI's, and have a facilitator.

I sometimes think I experience nausea because my stomach is completely empty too. It's a weird thing. If you don't eat for a long period of time, the hydrochloric acid in your stomach which is meant to break down food can build up, causing acid reflux/nausea.

He's also a dumbass. An amazing inspiring dumbass.

That's Chris McCandless. Look up his story. Beautiful and tragic.

The deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group is a genocide, in whole or in part. Consider the civilian casualties (90 percent women and children). About 10% of the Gaza Strip's population has been killed, injured, or is missing. That percentage is only going to rise. Keep pretending you are nuanced and more adult than me.

She could have my kids Mommy? Sorry.... Mommy? sorry....

I got lasik- I still don't have the best vision, I will probably need glasses again soon. Also I got side effects like dry eyes, light sensitivity, halos, etc.

This type of violent individual is attracted to the authority position in society most likely.

I didn't defend Palestine there. But for Israel to act enlightened while committing a genocide is hilarious.

-Arrogantly asking congress to give him weapons faster (while committing genocide, 92,000+ expected to be have killed directly from attacks, 186,000+ Palestinians expected to die indirectly from this war, 90% women and children) -Claims he killed "practically no civilians in Rafah" (blatant lie) -Said "Gays for Gaza is like chickens for KFC"- implying this genocide is justified because Palestine is bad on gay rights (Israel doesn't allow gay marriage btw) -Said anti-genocide protestors should be ashamed of themselves -Accused anti-genocide protestors of being funded by Iran (no evidence) -Claimed Iran tried to have Trump assassinated (he wants the US to wage a war with Iran) Watching our congressmen cheer him on is disgusting. He is the modern day Adolf Hitler. You talk about being on the right side of history OP? Get a grip. When the Jews become the Nazis, you know this world is fucked.

Why don't you kill yourself? The same reason you don't want to die, I don't want to die. Explain how I am exaggerating. Let's reduce suffering by being safe and honest.

I wonder if Leo would ever go on Joe Rogan.

Where did you go? Good on you for leaving

I have heard of folks watching themselves from above the operating table, and told the nurses exactly what tools they were using post surgery How are you feeling without your wisdom teeth?

I regret using the word idiotic. But you make a claim of knowing the truth and called people on this forum stupid for their sense of knowing. So I pushed back. Nobody knows. You actually look very good in your profile picture. Also, your posts are pretty good and insightful. But you are purposefully trolling and being inflammatory, running around calling people names. Notice I never insulted you, only your post. I regret this interaction. <3

Damn, I should've followed my own advice

I think you mean put me up for adoption.

Let me help you insult me. The word is abortion not adoption. There, now you can properly hurl insults

I said you don't know English- "you're mother did not choose to adopt you?" Idiotic I actually thought this post was interesting. But you are claiming it to be truth and getting butt hurt by people challenging you. This is your truth. Good for you. Why do you want to share your truths here if we are all are joke? Don't make Leo lock the thread and post a dancing cat meme

I don't think you know the English language.

And can you provide evidence for your claims? I didn't make a claim, the burden of proof falls on you who is making the claim. Did you think that far ahead? "humble yourself or you can take a big fat cock straight up your ass" what does this say about you spiritually? I didn't say you were wrong or right. Irony

Yes of course, that would be a great convo.

Rage bait. You're the one who is claiming you know the truth, not me. Are you being serious right now?