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The Work is ok. Reading it before getting heavily into meditation and spirituality just caused a lot of denial issues for me. Lots of going around in circles by dealing with thoughts (symptoms) instead of root issues (sankharas, the body). She also victim blames like a mofo. Instead of teaching you to accept that something traumatic has happened and healing must occur, you are told to also try and think up ways you did it to yourself. ?

Why is this so? Infinity? This is a hard pill for me to swallow because I had a drinking problem relieved by a Vipassana retreat. Both make the other irrelevant.

My understanding is that the stages continue infinitely, they just only have color labels so far out, and beginning at stage coral, it is wrapping back around as a shade of the beginning (red). But idk what it means. And idk if what I said is correct. I am working with memory fumes. #sohelpful ?

I am having such a good time reading studies on this! It's fascinating. My favorite quotation so far, "This study represents further preliminary evidence that HB [Holotropic Breathwork] may be psychologically beneficial, and specifically that it may reduce psychiatric symptoms in mild-to-moderately distressed, educated, white females" aka me. ??? So good. Anyway, @Source_Mystic, I am plugging away. There is a lot of dense reading I have to do, so I will probably have something decent put together this weekend I hope. So far, looks like voluntary hyperventilation is already used as exposure therapy for people with anxiety and panic disorders and has been deemed safe, but I will get you the details. This quotation was interesting, "Cerebral hemodynamic measurement has shown that within 20-30 seconds of voluntary hyperventilation, blood flow velocity decreases in cerebral arteries, along with increases in capillary pH, Po2, and oxygen saturation."

@Source_Mystic I don't know what dose of lowered O2 is a poison for x duration, but neither do you. You are insistent on 100 at all times and that is silly. It drops during exercise. Do you want everyone to stop exercising, too? Tell you what. I have a Masters of Public Health. All that means is I have some literacy, resources, and training that would help in researching this topic. If you promise to listen to me and not just repeat the same 3 points, I will make it my personal duty to research this topic as thoroughly as I can this week and share my findings - whatever they may be - unbiased as I can - with the community. Please, take a breath. ? It will be ok.

"The dose makes the poison."

Yes, that particular statement was incorrect, but that does not mean the technique is ineffective and too dangerous for a lot of us to use. Your slight dip in saturation for a short period of time is not a dealbreaker. I'm rather unmoved by using one measure in such a complicated system. Your concern for due diligence is understandable. I have felt this way about the channel and the forum in the past - when I see highly disturbed people with no IRL support listening to nihilism and doing psychedelics. I fear for their physical safety. That said, it is also a trap of our medical system to be too conservative and not advocate something that could be deeply useful out of fear. Also, you will notice that many pharmaceuticals have outrageous, damaging side effects, including death. People take them anyway. Because the search for improvement has risk. Life is not so tidy. While I share your sentiments in some ways, I am at peace with this. PS The technique worked exactly as I hoped and I got the info to do it at a perfect time for me. For me, this worked out. I am pleased and his followers are working out the specifics of the mechanisms amongst themselves. He did say something specific that was incorrect. What do you think would rectify the situation?

So, rather than following your awareness, pick an order for your sensations and go through that predetermined order. Do this for a while anyway, not forever if it's no longer necessary. The purpose behind this is to help you not get stuck on something sticky. To detach and move on to the next sense. Any order is fine.

There's this YouTube channel called Actualized.org. Pretty good. ?

It seems like a matter of not yet detaching, which comes with time and practice. The way I do it is I direct my attention rather than label whatever occurs. Label "see" - then I see. Not, "hey there's a plant" - then label "see." Same with internal hearing. Rather than focus on whatever internal thing you hear, then labelling it, only give the internal hearing attention on its turn as you cycle through the sensation channels. Please let me know if this is unclear.

She is also your mom - I think you cause her migraines. Same amount of evidence. ? Think what you want. Do psychedelics instead, like there are 0 mental or physical risks with that (massive eyeroll). Alright man, I'll leave you alone now. ?

I thought the same thing. It reminds me of fasting - something people also spazz out about.

Your reaction is too hysterical to take seriously. Wim Hof is a rather famous man, with many people who do his technique, and he has been studied. Your metaphors are hyperbolic and inaccurate. I am sensing you are overreacting to this because you have issues with your "dumb" mom who has done this. Chill out.

That is an ego trap. You can be here without giving advice right away - maybe listen and ask questions first.

That's not necessarily true. Who are you to say what techniques should come first for everyone? Vipassana meditation retreats teach your mind through the body, for example. Working with the body has had the biggest impacts for me and I wish I had done them first.

Well! I understand you are doing a mic drop and won't necessarily read this but some points: You don't know how low it would dip at 30 minutes because you did 20 minutes. He recommended 30. We can't assume it would be drastically lower than that. We don't know that an oxygen saturation level at slightly lower than normal range for such a short period of time would have a deleterious effect - one that outweighs the potentially positive emotional effects, which in turn have physical effects. The system is too complicated to use only one measure. It does seem the statement in the video about being extra saturated with oxygen could be incorrect. It did work exactly as described and desired for me, so I am willing to take the risk. An oxygen saturation measurement tool and some more information on experiments/lifestyles incorporating dips in oxygen saturation could be beneficial, along with many other considerations.

@Source_Mystic What is your reading now?

When did your mom do holotropic breathing and when did her headaches start? How do you mean she's gotten dumber? Has she had more children? That also has an effect on brain function. What are other possible contributing factors? If we want to be more careful about assuming it's fine, let's ask more questions.

Is an hour of affirmations (regardless of what you say) the best use of your disciplined time? Perhaps it is, I just think it's worth asking.

Whoa, what's your current life like?

Just did it. Fresh trip report. 30 minutes Hands and face tingled Face tensed up Breathing pattern inconsistent >>>Expectation - a bunch of trauma would come up and I would bawl over the sadness in a self pitying way >>>Reality - I cried at the end and started speaking. To paraphrase the best I can: "I do have friends and family and community, I just won't let it into my heart because my heart hurts so much. I can be disappointed but their hearts hurt too - and we don't know how to heal hearts right." >>>Then I laid there trying to be mindful. I felt grateful for a friend I met today and Leo. "Tropics of Love" by Black Heart Procession was stuck in my mind - I had been listening to it on repeat the last couple days unconsciously while driving. I thought about messages I wanted to send friends and family - which is interesting because I have been telling people to leave me alone lately. I haven't wanted to talk. >>>The last 2 days were spent at a conference for Community Health Workers and I will say that Leo's channel is the best god damn community health project I could even dream of. Thank you, Leo. ? Addendum: Perhaps this opened my heart chakra? Breathing that way is a lot of activity in the chest.

Read first, ask questions later. You have no material to work with while you are contemplating this. People on this forum have ideas about relativism etc etc and that's fine, so you are going to get a lot of "be whatever, everything is fine" answers, which is also fine. I do, however, recommend that you study some psychology if you want to understand yourself and others.

Then they can work and live in that way. Whatever. They just might be disagreeing with something they know nothing of. Maslow's not setting forth an image. He makes assertions about psychological mechanisms. The unfolding of those mechanisms is the process of self-actualization. Maslow did not draw a picture of the perfect person for people to mimic. Have you read any Maslow or are you just asking deconstructionist questions?

@IvanV21 Take the above ^ with some context. Aurum is probably much older than you and your girlfriend. Y'all seem like you're teenagers and that is surely a big part of your issue. Don't just suddenly stop messaging a girl for 2 days. If she is used to hearing from you multiple times a day and you suddenly stop messaging for 2 whole days, what do you think she is going to think? She might think you got seriously hurt. That doesn't make her crazy, that makes you a dick. And if you are going to bring around female friends to test her jealousy, double check yourself about whether or not you are actually ok with her having male friends. Not theoretically - really. That's all a tangent, but I found it misogynistic and needed to respond. Back to your issue - yes, she sounds needy and clingy. That is a big energy drain for you and I don't think you can help her fix it. She needs to grow up in her own time.

Are you doing these? Another vote for martial arts. That makes you deal with spontaneous adversity. Depending on the school and its culture, the personalities may also toughen you up. My teachers/co-workers basically never had a nice or encouraging word. All criticism.