Ishanga

so then your solution is mass suicide? See what ego makes You think and want to do? More saying and meme type replies, no real substance.. Sorry to be harsh on You and James okay, its not my intention, but when teachings of sorts come down like this, no real substance, no real solutions, or methods shared, just writing meme like stuff which is forgotten easily, someone has to say something and show the example, in this case of what not to do... You guys are like when I was a kid and put cookies out for Santa Clause, it was a great time in life, the fantasy seemed real and we were all so innocent, then we grew up!

What dies? Body, Mind, Ego, Intellect, Thoughts, Desires, what dies and how? Your answers are not really answers, just ego defending ideas believed in! Is it okay if Yeah Yeah kills himself, should no one help him out of his suffering?

ok at least You admitted it, then how to get into surrender mode..

What sort of work? Explain in detail? Why go to tiny room and isolate? Explain in detail pls!

You as well:)

lol if that is what it is for You then You are one of the lucky ones, poor Yeah Yeah.. You see You guys cannot explain HOW, so You avoid it like the plague,, Just let go, just surrender like it is breathing.. go under water (where Yeah Yeah is) and then see how effortless it is too breath! The problem with this Top Down methodology is just the example You both are providing, no context, no relatability, no method, like everyone is already in surrender mode, so therefore no solution to those that are not!

How to Know, why doesn't Yeah Yeah not know and want to kill himself, so he doesn't know, how would YOU teach him to Know? How to Witness, Yeah Yeah is not witnessing, How to teach him to Witness. These explanations don't cut it, Your coming from the Top supposedly and looking down "Its all so easy, just let go, just surrender".. Yeah Yeah is at the bottom and not even looking up, how to help him???

the realization is Bliss for sure, no argument there, once Your just here and one with life that is Bliss, but how to surrender he never really explains that, because not all are in the same place or experience (he deny's experience too which is a misnomer)

Yes but how you didn't answer the question, you keep bring it up, just let go, just surrender but how.. see this thread, tell him to just surrender.. https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/111024-am-i-actually-allowed-to-kill-myself-or-not/

What is My, or Me? Figure that out, then realize that mind is just doing what it is supposed to which is think, but its gone out of control nowadays for most because our our messed up culture and mind identification.. We can either quiet the mind (there are methods for this) or distance what we are from the mind (gain space, methods for this too) its like turning down the volume on the radio, you don't hear or see the thoughts as intensely anymore...

See.. just surrender, please sir how to surrender when I want to kill myself (see Yeah Yeah in mental health section)?

You won't get it from a book. After You finish the book more questions will arise, more seeking intellectual knowledge.. Intellectual knowledge is good for survival, how to make more money, get more stuff and security of finances, but that is all it can do.. All the real answers are within You. But first admit you do not know, then naturally You will seek to know, then Your innate intelligence (the thing that makes Your heart beat when Your in deep sleep) will be fully Alive and Active, but don't look for knowing in a book, just find out why you are not peaceful of your own nature right now and then a method to take that obstruction away, then Your at Peace, via that You will have a certain amount of Clarity and Knowing, but it is not book knowing, its experiential knowing, from there things naturally go on, from peace to joy from joy to Bliss, then Your really on Your way to Spiritual Enlightenment, but if Peace is not natural for You, then don't talk about Spirituality or Enlightenment, fix the peace part first...

This is all denial of what You are and what Is, Your denying your Body and Mind and all that goes with it. When You say just Surrender, Just Be, yes that is the most direct way but it is negating the Body, Mind, Karma, and is really not helpful, just go to see Yeah Yeah in the mental health section and say that to them, it means Your caught up in an ideology and have no way to relate to others, which is poor understanding and no compassion.. Yes You'll come back with too much thinking, this is not the reality and such, but say that too him.. Remember when Your kids was almost going to die? What happened then, if I said just surrender to it to your face at that moment you would punch me in the face, so try to relate to others, don't be so stubborn on your ideology identification, and stop the preaching like You know it all, as that is what it coming across, saying this to help You James! Your too arrogant right now..

what is shiva to you