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@Breakingthewall For sure it beats "I am just imagining You and everything else, I took a drug and now I am GOD, bow down to my wisdom, bow down to my presence" that goes on around here lol...

Sadhguru calls this solace seeking, but its not a solution, like a band aid, it comes off soon after it is put on as wear and tear will make that so.. I think these types serve a purpose though, some are just not ready for the real work, the sadhana needed, so they go to where they fit in.. but I want to know what methods do they share other than talking and writing? Its like Eckhart Tolle, he was my first introduction to Spirituality, and he makes tons of sense imo regarding living now and ego issues and acceptance, but what method does he share other than intellectual ones? At least with Sadhguru he states that all the talking is circus, something he has to do to gain interest, but the real work in in the Sadhana, the Kriya's, the Asana work, and even the temples he built helps tremendously on levels we don't realize.. I can see the differences btwn the two sorts of ways, there are saints talking and writing, then there are Guru's doing it, living it, proving it works.. I guess I am a method sort of guy, got this from the martial arts I trained in I guess..

The most effective I've ever seen or heard of, it did wonders for me when I first started doing it, 12 min long!

@Breakingthewall I think we get to a point of overthinking and over intellectualizing it for sure.. These Guru's and Saints and such, they all have their way of expressing it, this is there to appeal to all the personality types, karmic types and surface uniqueness that exist thru Human Nature or Egoic nature, its only a starting point imo.. We can go on and on forever with this stuff (just see all the threads, posts, replies here, just think of all the other forums, other avenues of discussion, analyzing, rehashing, arguments thru history) and where does it all lead.. This place Actualized.org is perfect example, its full of ego and identification, dick measuring, your wrong/I'm right, no one really listens to what anyone else is saying/writing, this just go on and on with their ideologies and discussions, then You see them posting in the mental health section talking about being addicted to this or that drug or ssri or whatever, so its a joke in a way.. We can share all we want, but in the end its forgotten tomorrow, but what is our present state of Awareness, can I go outside and just see a tree without labelling it and feel connected?? Most cannot do this, I have trouble sometimes doing this but I can do it at times... But if You like it and it empowers You continue on, I appreciate Your sharing and how You see it and explain things lately allot:)

Wolfgang Smith, Mathematician and Physicistm he spent years with the Yogis in India, called them Giants, but was more of a gnostic Christian I would say, Here is what he says about Free Will.. "Wolfgang Smith explored the concept of free will within his broader metaphysical framework, particularly through the lens of "vertical causality," which posits that higher levels of being—such as the intellect and the soul—can influence lower levels, including the physical world. He argued that free will is an expression of this vertical causality, where the human soul, as a higher ontological reality, exercises causal power over physical processes, thereby enabling genuine freedom of choice. This view stands in contrast to the mechanistic worldview of modern science, which reduces all causation to physical interactions and thus undermines the possibility of free will. Smith maintained that the corporeal world, which includes human experience and consciousness, is not merely a projection of the physical universe but a real and ontologically distinct domain that allows for such higher-level causation. He emphasized that the collapse of the wave function in quantum mechanics, which requires an observer, hints at a metaphysical order where consciousness and will play a fundamental role, aligning with his notion of vertical causality. In his work, Smith asserted that the traditional tripartite cosmology—comprising the corporeal, the physical, and the spiritual—provides the necessary framework to understand free will as a real and meaningful phenomenon, not an illusion produced by deterministic processes." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Smith

Levels bro, there are levels to it all, baby steps, first dis identify with Body and Mind, then go from there, when ppl that are unprepared (psychedelic users mostly) have these grand experiences whatever that is, they come back freaking out, and then don't know what the hell life is and how to integrate the grand experiences.. You've just this moment become a Billionaire, now what do You do? You go a bit crazy, spend spend spend, lose friends/family, gain fake ones, go thru this craziness and either come out of it wiser or worse than before You won it.. Or you grow slowly, make a $100K a year, then a million a few years later and so on, slow and steady then you can handle it much better.. We have to deal with what is what, we have this body and mind, it rules us mostly, getting over just that is huge, after that thank god we have Guru's and Teachers that have been there before us to guide and help... No need to reinvent the wheel, time tested methods and systems are already out there, nobody is experiencing anything new, its just new to them but not on the grand scale..

The Mind or Brain is a filter of sorts, but this is not what we are right, what about Energy, Energy itself is form of intelligence and power, we have tons of it within us, all living things are made up of Energy, we just have to get intouch with this Energy which is the most subtle form of physicality, then we go up to the higher dimensions that exist and that are within us.. Mind is a survival tool mostly, it can be more but we mostly use it too figure out how to live to tomorrow and live healthier and better overall (more comfort, more security, more happiness of mind and such things). Awareness, which is not of the mind is another form of intelligence I would say, once intouch with it then life is more than just body, mind and survival instincts.. This is the whole path of Eastern Spirituality and knowing what our role is in life and how to live it totally...

Both exist, predetermination and free will, we humans have to figure it out which one to use, that is one of our roles here, no other life form on this planet has as much choices as we do, most animals are mostly predetermined living forms, we are too in lots of ways, but we have access to levels of Consciousness that animals do not, that makes all the differences, and one of the qualities of High Consciousness is choosing how to be and choosing your destiny.. At the sametime there is always a randomness to things, that is the chaos and beauty of creation, its set up in a way that potential is mostly unlimited, limited physically but living things are way more than just physical objects..

Yes he is good for ppl that have problems sleeping, You watch him and he puts You too sleep, like other intellectuals, watch them speak and write big posts and books and it puts you too sleep, where the powers that be want you to be asleep at the wheel of life.. At least Vervaeke is a meditator, he just analyses too much and tries to share what Reality is via logic which it is not!!

No confusion, Body is just food or borrowed material from earth with an ingrained intelligence that has a strong survival and procreation instinct.. Mind in basic terms is just an accumulation of 5 sense data input, mushed up together via an intellect, identity and memory making machine, so that again we can survive another day.. What was there before all this gathering happened, something had to be there for all of this too be built upon?? Find out what that is, then You know You are not the Body or Mind, you have them here as tools to use in this sort of dual, karmic, materialistic realm to play this game of Life which is full of Possibilities and Choices...You can live like a Pig, or be a virtual God, the choice is ours to make.. Don't spend a whole life trying to figure it out intellectually down to the first atom being born, that is a waste of time, just enjoy the ride and live the possibility that it provides..

God is not Love, God is just Possibility.. You (this Human Being vessel/embodiment) have to decide Yourself what is Love and what is not Love, what is Beautiful and is not Beautiful, its purely a Relative/Subjective thing... On one level You do what You have to do to survive, if stomach is empty then one problem exists, once survival is settled You can move on to other aspects of life, when stomach is full 100 problems exist... So Life situations are on many levels, the person living in Gaza doesn't not have the same ambitions/desires as a person living in downtown Manhattan in a high-rise condo, their intentions and desires are different.. What is the same is that they both Desire to be More than what they are right Now.. So find Your true Interests, fix Survival, become Clear about reality, and what life is and your Role in it, then go for it!

For sure Guns are the superior weapon, compared to knives/swords and such, but cars and vehicles can be destructive as well and are much easier to access, and guess what ppl luv to gather together outside (all times of the year) and do stuff.. Just the other day I was downtown Toronto, by the Eaton's center, I don't think it was that busy since it was cold outside but there were a few hundred ppl outside around the mall entrance and accross the street at Dundas Square (Toronto's Times Square), so if someone where to plow us all down with a truck a couple dozen ppl for sure would die, more hurt, so how hard is it too get a truck or car?? Also, this idea that less ppl getting killed is better, well if one person gets killed that is bad in situations like this, we are just desensitized by it now since it happens so often, one person getting shot or killed by some terrorist won't make the front page of the news anymore but it is significant, so let not make #'s comparison and say less is better than more, talk to the families and friends of the one that died and then see what is what..

The problem is ppl buy into ideologies that are in a way are half truths ( for eg. nothing is happening, no one is here bla bla bla), and is from an Absolute perspective, but in Absolute there is no physicality, no mind, no creation, no way to understand or articulate or think or anything that we do as Humans.. So ppl stuck in this Absolute perspective deny where they actually are, and what actually exists.. You have a Body and Mind, but You are not the Body or Mind, its pretty simple.. Humans can Experientially know they are not the Body or Mind, once that happens all boundaries are gone, if boundaries are gone in Your Perception, Awareness and Experience, then Your basically Enlightened and One with Absolute, problem is most die at the same time they have this Realization. Being Human is one of the most complex things in this whole Universe, if You live it Unconsciously then trouble is in the works for You, all You can do is raise Your Awareness/Consciousness of What You Are, What it means to be Human and What Life is all about.. all other questions and queries are mute and meaningless!

Its a better identification if You know experientially that You are not the Body or Mind, if that is true for You then the identity shifts to higher up ones, where sooner or later You are Absolute in Embodied form internally. We can still live and play the game of life here, but we don't suffer thru it and not realize what our truest Potential is.. Its very very hard not to have some sort of Identity while being Embodied, the key is to create it Consciously under Your own Will and Awareness.

Exactly! All Emotions and Experiences come and the expression of them via labels, words are from the "Human" system and vehicle. The Universe is not Love, or any emotion or anything other than the Universe, You could say it is a living consciousness in a way as is the Earth, but not like we are.. Believing that the Universe is Love and Beautiful and all these qualities Humans want, is akin to believing in the God of the Bible, and that he cares about You and Loves You while living in a hell hole in Gaza or some other place Suffering Your whole life, it makes no sense and is delusional really! Living in this sort of understanding and reality is disempowering. You and all of Us are micro Universes, small Gods of sorts, in the way that we can create the Life we want, within Ourselves and somewhat outside of ourselves, our destiny is in our Hands no where else.. Absolute or God realm is Potential and Possibility only, since that is the case we are here as a certain Possibility being Expressed in this Relative/Subjective realm and has the qualities of Duality, Karma, Materialism but we can access our Free Will if we want to explore it, if we don't then most likely Suffering is Your Experience, and Suffering disempowers Human life to explore the Potentials available and Absolute itself..