Ishanga

@Creatorbeing There's two fundamental forces at play for us Humans, the force of Self Preservation, of building walls around us physically and mentally, self protection, survival instinct and such things, then there is the force of Boundlessness, to be absolutely Free, Open and Alive.. The 1st force is born into us, we just have to learn the rules of the world/society we are living in, procreation is a part of this... The 2nd force has to be strived for, sooner or later via the Desiring process (gain a goal what happens? Another goal is made and if that is achieved what happens? Another goal and on and on it goes) You will get bored of the way things are right now, you want to be more than what You are right now, unless Your in a war like environment where everyday its about survival.. Desire is the same as Life, its not about wanting more, its about having it all, being totally Free and Complete, Boundless in nature and experience, this is Enlightenment, when touching this dimension while still embodied you feel Great Bliss.. With all this we need to Accept what is as it is right not, this stops the Stress Response I think, but just b/c you accept doesn't mean You want things to be this way, acceptance just allows flow and ease to come into Your Life, just imagine no stress response, what would this do for You? It will bring You into Peaceful Experience as a natural consequence, then now the foundation becomes stable, and You can go for more possibility and potential/intensity in life experience (not talking about gaining more $$, fame, wealth, status or success)..

@James123 Its hopeless Man, ppl like Breakingthewall, they are like Top Level Down ppl, absolutist types, everything they say is in circles... Yes to get to a point of Realization one may need a practice, but once there then they can drop it off or do less of it, Sadhguru only does a 20 second practice to balance his energies in the am he says, that's it, some need more though, its all relative...

@r0ckyreed I agree with what You wrote... Its very discounting to say that I do not exist and am an imaginary thing in someone else's perception or whatever, lol, its so strange to read this stuff.. Yes yes you took some drug had a grand experience of Oneness and God and all that, but guess what, you came down to reality and to a normal sort of perception, so what does that tell You? The Drug had something to do with it, all it really showed you is that there is a Potential within You, that the normal perception can be enhanced into a more Grand Perception, this is fine when You interpret it as one and then the other, but to discount the normal perception and everything that goes with it (there is Me, then there is You and the others and the cities and nature and planet bla bla bla) as complete imaginary lllusionary non existent, its really crazy if You ask me... Death should be thought about, Your Mortality should be contemplated, because when You realize Your Body and Mind will not exist someday then it makes You want to do the right things, not stupid things, there is a difference, I'm not going to tell what that is because its best learned via experience:) By the way I'm a huge Rocky fan too, Carl played Apollo like no Other, the perfect person for the perfect part, Great Actor, Cool Guy!!!

Illusion or Maya means that things, or whatever it is still exists, but not as we think or perceive it too be.. Body and Mind are real, Thoughts are Real, but none of that is You, so a space has to be created or realized, what is Me and what is not me, then all is well, Enlightenment is on the way,, No matter what a teacher or Guru says, some say no practice is needed, just realize, others say you have to practice then realize, the first question or inquiry should be can I do this, can I just realize it? If not then practices are needed to clean the slate, take the garbage out, and then realization happens, some don't need to do this, this is determined by the Karmic substance of that particular person, Ramana M didn't need much practices, his karma is the reason why...

Just starting another Thread, to not derail another one.. OBLer says in response to a post I wrote - "@Ishanga No He (Leo) doesnt Claim that. Where does he write such things? I think you have some phantasy about enlightened people. Even if you are high conscious you can suffer like every human from stress or whatever. Yes high conscious people will probably not suffer from lower consciousness issues like obese and addiction. But they will not be immune against all kind of things like cancer, pollution of environment or if the body lacks energy." In all his video's he claims to be of a higher Consciousness, that he is in this space and is sharing his advice on how other can get there, most due to his psychedelic experience of being God, Omnipresent, Omnipotent and such things, yes he has done other more traditional practice but they didn't give him the intensity of experience the psychedelics have.. Now for me what does it mean to be Conscious? It means I have Free Will, or more of it available to my Awareness and ability to Utilize in my life, that means on a basic terms no Stress Response, which is the cause of many health problems, so it takes care of itself...Suffering is a CHOICE, Pain will happen in life, situations will arise that You do not want to have happen, but Suffering it is basically non Accepting of what is, resistance to what is, we can choose to accept or resist, its an aspect of Free Will and higher Consciousness. Also, one has Clarity to perceive Reality as it is, with no judgement or prejudice attached to it, yes we need to Discern what is safe or unsafe, healthy or unhealthy for our survival to go on day after day, but with higher Consciousness in our Awareness day to day, we judge less based on the conditioning of our Minds, Ideologies picked up, Teachings and past Experiences influencing how we perceive life Right Now, this doesn't happen as much and has less affect when in a Higher Consciousness Awareness.. If OBLer is correct, then what is the point of Higher Consciousness in a Human Being, if You still can Suffer, have bad health, and lack energy and so forth? No point in my book if we still lack no control over our health, and state of Being/Experience...

Yes story is everywhere, Your truth once communicated with Me is just a story and visa versa, no problem with it, its just that a story is not your reality..We can learn from others stories but its limited to mostly survival level of living, or it can create a sort of curiosity or inspiration to inquire more about it, the problem is that it can become too Intellectual, Intellect divides and separates, so it can only go so far using intellect, sooner or later this story we all hear has to become a Reality for Us internally, thus we have practices that are not intellectual in nature.. In Martial arts, when I was teaching I could explain it to the students how to hit someone with their fist from 1" away from contact point, but they could not actually do it, so we had drills and training to develop this short power, and then how to apply it, and they learned via actually doing it step by step, this is how it is done with most everything, same with Spirituality, first listen to the story, see how it resonates with You, then some Intellectual tools (living Now, acceptance, Responding vs Reacting), then some good practices and away one goes...

Yes Agreed, the word Consciousness has dual meanings, there is your Individual Consciousness, more like a sort of Awareness, Alertness and Clarity towards Reality, Reality that is within and around You, then there is Consciousness to mean the foundation of all Existence, what was there before Creation, Before the Big Bang and such.. As Humans we have the most ability of all Life on this planet anyways to Realize or have a "High" degree of Consciousness and Realization, which is Unity with everything and everyone that is living and alive...

Well a sort of consciousness, or karma awareness of sort still goes on, its in the energy, etheric and bliss bodies which encapsulates the Life that is within You, the karmic substance is the glue per say that keeps it all together, this is technical i know, but that is what is going on. Your Karma is stored on many levels, without it physicality is not possible, so that is always with You until you dissolve it, that is part of the process of Enlightenment, you have dissolved it, which is why most ppl that reach Enlightened states no longer exist in that moment of realization, they dissolved their karma and the body drops, the life merges with Oneness and no more individuality, unless Your a Guru and have a mastery over all this stuff...

Sadhguru talks about this, if You have mastery over Your Body alone, you will control 30% of your destiny, body and mind 60%, if You control the Energy system You will have 100% control of Your destiny, even after physical death you can control which body to be born in, if You want to come back and so forth, so its all a matter of how Conscious one is.. Free Will for me anyways has to do mostly with How I want to Experience Life, Joyfully or Miserably, an accident can still happen, any situation outside of our body can still happen, how I respond to it is 100% my responsibility and choice, that is the only control You will have and its available for Most all Human Beings, you just have to strive for it, its not a Fantasy as some may think or say:)

This is just a certain perspective from a POV of Consciousness, as we all have and are in many ways limited by. I try to be open about it, yes fundamentally in the highest sort of way You are correct, there is no control or nothing to control in the Oneness realm, because there is no physicality to control, no mind and such things...but on this level of existence were we are, there is control because there is physicality, mind and such limitations, on this level we have Free Will.. The Body alone is designed for Health naturally, but we have a Mind that is connected with Body, Stress is resistance to What is, that is from the Mind, what we are, Life/God/Source, is not the Body or Mind, we use these tools to function on this Earth/Duality world, but we can have Enlightenment which is Realization of "We are Life" not the Body/Mind, with this comes our truest potential, with that comes natural Health, no resistance to Now, in this there is no control, but until then we have to work at it, strive and seek it (there is no seeking once there) and step by step have Free Will to have what we should have Naturally...

Don't be concerned with "Understanding" Reality, its too complex and at the same time simple, paradox galore, don't try to become "Enlightened" or "Awake", drop all labels and concepts, this is a huge problem today for ppl involved with the Spiritual World, way too many labels, concepts, ppl promoting concepts and talking too much.. Just gain some Clarity, Reality will work itself out, and that might mean a car is heading Your way, you have to have Clarity to see the car is heading towards You and You make a choice (Free Will) do I want to get out of the way or stay where I am, that is all there is too it, with Clarity life becomes a game, it is lived at Ease, which doesn't mean a Easy Life, but You go Untouched by it, Your Inner Nature is now in Your hands, then see what happens to Life and Reality and How You Perceive/Experience it...

Existence just is, this is Top Level sort of Existence, the realm of Oneness, Completeness, Consciousness in the sense that it is the fundamental before Creation happened, but there is Creation, in that there is this and that, forms of variations, inanimate, animate forms, so all of this is layers upon layers of existence, with the top level as mentioned as the essence of it all, Humans can experience this at the top most level of Experience, that is Enlightenment or what we call it..,

What is the difference btwn someone claiming they are Not Enlightened or someone claiming to be Enlightened?

"Pressure" is self created, it doesn't exist unless You create it, and he claims to be above all of these sorts of problems the rest of humanity suffers from, so its not an excuse, plus he is doing what he loves, creating his own creations and expressions, that is the point of it all, most of us are not doing this, we work jobs we don't want to do to pay bills and survive, so I don't believe in these sorts of excuses of pressure. What it is in simple terms is he is suffering his success, just like people suffer their failure, its no different, its a sign that he has not reach a level of Consciousness that is really high or useful to go to ones highest potential and possibility, what some call Enlightenment... Sorry for getting off topic, will be my last response on this subject:)

This is all because of Unconsciousness. Are most of us here to work 9-5 or 12 midnight to 8 am to pay bills? No, this is not our destiny, or reason why we are here, but we stay in this sort of Awareness for many reason, one is conditioning...Wolves have limits, yes they can be domesticated and become a bit more than a wild animal, but when their stomach is full they are complete, for a Human when their stomach is full (Good times) then there are 1000 problems/challenges to face, life is not complete for them, so that is the difference, when one's Awareness comes into play then that is the game of Life, what do You do when the Good times are here, become Weak or Conscious and live a to one's full potential and possibility! P.S Kristnamurti was Anit Guru while being a Guru lol!!

How does a man that claims certain states and knowing get burn out? Its just coming up with content and then creating video, editing, I know its not the easiest career, but its easier than what I do day in day out for sure...Just playing Devils Advocate here, I hope he is well and getting healthy, he for sure has contributed to the Spiritual Community no doubt with his sharings and forum creation here..

I think my post was justified because he was consistently making video's, and now has stopped for a few months, plus he did a few 30 day retreats contemplating but got bored so what did he do, take psycedelics...Like I've done with others, I do research, I researched Leo, and I just said it makes "One wonder", I'm not making outright claims that I know what is what with him, because I don't, but it does make one wonder, which is fine since he is basically a public figure in certain niche ways... I would be easy for him to nip speculation in the butt, make a statement, as ppl here are wondering why he has stopped making vids, recently he said "health problems"..make a more specific one and that will stop it...

Well it may not be the end of Suffering, if Your messed up in the head at the time of death, then that will be your state of being in the afterlife, it could be a long time till being reborn happens, and to continue into another life and go thru it too end up suffering some more, lol, this does not sound too good to me, especially with the way the world is going now, I feel a bit sorry for ppl with young kids...

Leo the creator of this forum, he's not old by any means and is having "health" problems and no longer does video's even though he has over 1mill subscribers and had a passion for sharing, you have to wonder what all those trips did to him, I do, and I think it for sure effected him, he may never admit it...Just imagine thinking Your God, in Bliss Love Completeness mode a few hundred times over a few years, how do You go thru normal life afterwards without having to deal with that sort of intense experience?? I don't know if he has normal spiritual practice that he does on the regular, I hope he does...

@AerisVahnEphelia Interesting post, as someone that hasn't used hardcore psychedelics like many here, have used pot (hasn't everyone lol?) and had time slowed down and such things experienced, and kriya practice experiences bliss, peace, clarity on consistent basis, and reading ppl post of their experiences here and researching over the years in other places, it seems to me that certain psychedelics create certain experiences generally, the 5 meo dmt seems to make one feel like a God (omnipresent, omnipotent, completeness, great bliss/love), others bring about different disorientated experiences, seeing/experiencing shapes, seeing objects distorted, talking too spirits and a general feeling of peace, oneness or the opposite and such... I think a newbie, someone not having done any research in any way into spirituality, this can be dangerous, it can freak them out, because everyone has a unconscious philosophy running in the background, it is fundamentally directing your life in certain directions, with this comes beliefs, conclusions, habits and tendencies in place, then the psychedelic experience comes and messes it all up in chaos..this is not so good for someone, at the least Leo advises to go slow and build up to correct doses for yourself and see what happens which is safe advice.. Without a proper Yoga/Eastern Spiritual practice in place already setting the stage and providing ingrained intent and stability within a person, then one should not do it without facing great consequences, and as you said do it infrequently, with a practice in place it can be done more frequently but not as a crutch or I need to feel better about myself/ world sort of approach, more strictly as I want to know something or experience a deeper realm/experience to get somewhere purpose behind it...

Yes, the need to look outside of Yourself for Happiness, Pleasure and Fulfillment is killing the planet, and eventually us and every other life too. The crazier part is that it is not working lol, in the pursuit for Happiness and such, ppl are not even happier today than ever before, their more depressed, sad, lonely and anxious.. Hey if it worked and we were happier because of it then okay that is fine, but when the opposite is true and the planet is paying the price for it, this is massive Insanity to its highest limits!!

Yes exactly, sooner or later You have to deal with your Karma and to first stop creating more karma in daily life (by living now, not reacting to situations, but responding, accepting life as it is, etc...) and to deal with the alotted karma given for this life, that can't be done via psychedelic experiences, it gives you the oneness experience, great sense of Love/belonging and insights, but it doesn't allow you to deal with your shit that you have to deal with...Yoga does in the long run...especially with a living Guru to help you..

For sure Shambhavi is Kundalini kryia, but he toned it down for the masses, made it a bit duller and slower process, no siddhis should arise unless its a long time period after initiation... I did the Bahava Spanda course, it was fun but I'm not the super emotional type, it was worthwhile to go thru, but it didn't have great affects for me personally, many others felt it more strongly, I really liked being in his presence for the 3+days though, observed him allot... Yes he has lots of practices that are not too public, and I agree, most ppl in today's general state of awareness and mental distress could not handle it, even on the physical level ppl are too weak to handle real Kryia Yoga as he would like to teach it, he has too tone down most everything he does, even when in his presence he can blow you away, but he tones it down because of overall craziness and lack of substance that ppl of today have...

Try Float device, where your in a chamber, floating on body temp water and epsom salts, total darkness and silence for the most part, that will get You in the mood anyways...