Ishanga

I think once again the wrong wording is being Used, You cannot use words like evil and bad and wrong and the opposite in context with Absolute, Brahman/Shiva, God or whatever label You put too it, as Leo said this is Existential Level... Evil and Goodness and such labels are on the Human Level, so why are ppl taking Human level things and applying it too God/Absolute and such? It doesn't go there, but ppl are buying in to that there is this God/Absolute and then there is a ME, US, Humanity, Life forms etc, its not this way at all, there is Just Life, which is akin to God/Absolute, this Life is within Us all, we just have to be Conscious that we are Fundamental Life, with Bodies and Mind here on Earth and an Ability to Be Aware that we are this Life. Life is not the situations and circumstance one is in, its not the past events and experiences we have all had, nor the future imagination plans we are creating in our heads or dreams of the future, Life is present Only Now, its intense, active liveness that allows all creation to happen each moment and before and after this moment, all we can do as HUMANS is bring our Awareness of this to high intensity, then no Evil will exist, only Empowerment, which You can label as whatever You want, I say its Good, Love, Bliss, Aliveness, Truth, Consciousness, Hopes, Dreams, Success all the so called "Positive" things...

In my research they don't disagree that much, some do on some details, but mostly they just put it in different terminology, I've heard many say basically the same things!

1. Yes maybe so, the inbetween apect 2. Intelligence is everything and everywhere, in existence and non existence (physical/non physical), how does one describe existence, absolute/brahman/shiva other than saying its is super complex, connected, integrated, full of potential, that sounds like grand intelligence of sorts to me, not some love emotion that simple humans feel on and off depending on needs and wants.. 3. Energy Body, prana/kundalini/chakras and nadis, how does everything within us operate without Energy of sorts, its on the gross and subtle level, kundalini is life realized within a Human Body, all life has Kundalini, we are the only ones that can realize/be aware of it... 4. What I meant was what is Feeling or being capable of Feeling when there is no physical body and mind complex available in that astral realm???

Yes, well I guess it is the Brain specifically that we can control, the Mind is complex, the 4 basics of it you saw in Sadhuru's video, Intellect, Identity, Memory and Consciousness are the 4 basic aspects of it, I think there are sub layers and sub layers on top of the sub layers and such... We can use the mind in this way to choose how we live our life here while here...Some are choosing either consciously or unconsciously to maybe control or be in the space of the identity or the memory or intellect aspect of it, Spiritual path is about getting intouch with the Chitta or Consciousness aspect of it, I guess once that happens things change and Free will is now available!

What I don't know or understand is Sadhguru says if at the Moment of Death if You are in Emotional Pain, Suffering of sorts, that will be Your state on the other side, visa versa if Your In Bliss, but what is feeling that? From what I understand the Earth and Mental sheaths (mental is not about thoughts, ideologies and such, its the software of sorts, the intelligence that allows the body to function, like cells communicating with other cells and things of this intricate nature) don't go with You on the other side, the Energy /Etheric/Bliss sheaths do, karma is stored in the Energy Body I suppose? So what is feeling the suffering at the moment of death?? Ghosts are real too he says, it depends on what is happening at the moment of death and their karmic situation.

Has to do with Sounds and Mantras, research that sort of thing, every Physical thing in existence is vibrating and has a sound frequency. I guess some just don't go in the direction...

No Body no pain, pain only exists in the Body and Mind for the most part, there is physical pain, and emotional/mental pain, what other pain is there? Suffering is continued feeling of this pain after the source of the pain is gone, for sure someone that develops cancer and goes thru that will experience physical and mental suffering, its an ongoing situation of pain, that defines Suffering as far as I know.. Astral realm, Mahasamadhi, where is the body and mind in this situation?

What Others? I thought this place was the House of Solipsism?? LoL Yes its wise not too make assumptions, other than when Your Enlightened, You've touched the Bliss Body, they call it this because when intouch with it You feel Blissful, and when Your closer to Truth/Reality suffering is not possible for You, these are pointers only... Pain is always possible, but Pain is not Suffering! Enlightenment is knowing Sat Chit Ananda Experientially, that is You know via Experience Truth Consciousness Bliss...

Doesn't matter, who is or isn't Enlightened, why is the subject coming up, that is more important (ego), as well, does the methods shared and teaching of sorts (its not a teaching or philosophy or too be interpreted that way, just a sharing from someone) work or not work, is life Experience Empowered or Not? If Not then don't listen or continue with the method, move on, if its working then continue on, see where it goes!!

Simulation = A simulation is an imitative representation of a process or system that could exist in the real world. You see the contradiction here? There is a pretend world then a real world, what is the difference here, how do You what is pretend and what is real, how do You differentiate between the two?? It sounds pretty messed up to me, but to each their own:)

Ego and Belief are blinding, which is why the criminal is able to do what they do, they believe they are doing right, when in the end they are hurting more ppl than they realize, because they don't know about it, its not in their belief system or perception, so that is why belief is no good, it blinds ppl!

How do You know this?

Muktit or Liberation from Birth/Death Karma cycle... God is just another bondage, if You buy into it its no different from Loving a Drug or Movie actor, or any sort of addiction, but with God its super strong for some reason with ppl, it creates a feeling of security within them, solace of sorts, it settles their nerves that some God is watching out for them and luvs them, lol nuts!

Ego luvs this! Solipsism is Narcissistic sort of Spirituality, its not Spirituality at all really, just turbo boosted Ego!

I am challenging his belief system, it hurts his ego, he defends it, this is how wars begin, first little ones, then bigger ones, then countries and millions of ppl fight and kill,, ego kills!

Ok

Its egoic to think some creator somewhere else, in another realm or place that is superior of sorts, its concerned about You, or Me, or any living thing here on this tiny spec of a planet within this Huge Universe we cannot understand on any sort of level of Experience in size, scope or existence! It is like You being concerned about a grain of sand when there are 7.5 sextillion of them, would You be?

Lol I hit a nerve I see, that is good:)

The is no God or other Entity, Universe out there and then You here on Earth functioning, and it loving or hating You or anyone, this is ego saying "I am Important, therefore the creator must know of me, care about me, love me and do what I need to have done" Bullshit.. Whatever happens in Your life, no one cares other than family and loved ones, You are the only one that really cares, just drop all of this sort of awareness and thinking, just live life totally, we are pop ups, blips on a screen, we are here such a small amount of time. Do You know of the person living in Kanas City in 1806, are You aware of their existence?? Of course You aren't, no body is, but someone was there and alive and living their life and to them it was as important as yours it too you, but no one knows of this person or remembers or cares, so just live life to its fullest while You are here and now...

Yup, so there is a method or many methods to allow this too happen, no problem with that, no different from leaning a safe way to drive, or to fix a car, or manufacture this or that, its a method, Use it, see what happens, if You go from being Bored, Depressed, Numb to being at Peace, Happy, Healthy then its working, see where it goes from there, this is not rocket science, its pretty simple:) We complicated it too much with intellectual discussions like the ones happening here everyday, repeating same subject matters over and over again, discussing world events, but nothing changes or transforms, just let it all go and do what has to be done, simple!

Yes, I see no problem with that, Enlightenment is just another label for Potential, we all have it within us, Your Potential has arisen since the day You were born has it not? Take it too its ultimate Limit, that is Enlightenment, Spiritual Sadhana and Methods allow this too happen, as certain karmas and concitions are in place to not allow this too happen naturally for most ppl, we have to strive and seek it, like learning ABC and 123, its not natural for us to know it, we seek it out by going to school and learning it, that is Potential being exposed...

It would be better with Osho and Leo, that would have been grand to see, very entertaining:) I would say this "Love of creating Models" is egoic in essence, not real or meant to really help anyone else other than themselves... We already have too many ppl sharing this sort of stuff, it causes mass confusion, who is right, who is wrong, who is on top, who is this that or the other thing, all of this leads one away from what Spirituality is all about!

The Methods are not about "Getting Enlightened", its about removing obstacles then realizing I am Enlightened, the methods remove the obstacles!

who is too standardize it and why would I follow that standardization, how come I am not the one standardizing it??? who makes one more capable than the other in this endeavour??? You quoted the Yoga Sutras, its already been done lol, why go back to reinvent the wheel and do it all over again(this is the stupidity of modern humanity, we think we are smarter and more knowing than ever, when we are not!), follow what it says, see if it works, if life experience has improved then continue on, super simple:)

That's a Nice Sharing!! If all peoples of the world had this experience it would transform this world, that is the whole idea of Spiritual Path, to bring about this Experience for everyone, as everyone is equally capable of having it! I would call it the realization of Sat Chit Ananda, or Truth Consciousness Bliss, this is the Fundamental Reality, but us as Humans have to Seek it out, its there within each of Us, but we have a great Survival Aspect within us, it overrides this experience as You had above, if all ppl where in that sort of experience all the time, they would not care of Survival so the Tiger would eat You easily, so its suppressed for that purpose, but now with our ability to secure food and shelter, basic survival needs its the best time to regain this sort of Sat Chi Ananda experience and strive for it!