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Nicely put again:) I am not sure Desire or Will is functioning under a thought system, as it is present in all that we are or what encompasses us as Human Beings, for eg, a baby will automatically want to suckle, needing the breast/nipple for breast milk for food to fulfill the hunger they naturally feel, this is not a thought process, its ingrained within the body, just take this to higher and higher dimensions of what we are and it manifest in similar ways via our other Bodily functions, Mind functions, Emotional functions and Energetic functions, its just there... So Desire is akin to Life being Expressed, it is needed otherwise what is the point of it all.. Depression experienced in someone is when Desire is not there, the will to go on is very subsided and it reflects in many ways, this can be from the Mind, or in Reaction to a Situation or Genetic or Energetic or whatever but it can come up in ppls lives and is at a drastic rate in today's world because we are unconscious of our true nature, we look outside ourselves for Life when Life is within us and we are missing it...

Sadhguru - This is How Shiva Created Multiverse | Mystics of India -How Shiva (No Thing Ness) combined with Shakti (Something Ness/Life Energy) to make Shiva Roar, or Create! - Not one Big Bang (Roars), but multiple Big Bangs or Roars! - This is the 84th incarnation of the Universe - 21 of the past Universes have dissolved but they have left footprints of their existence - out of the 21, 10 are almost non physical in nature, the remaining 11 are mildly physical by which 4 of them are reasonably physical -Shesha means leftovers, this is the foundation upon which Creation begins again

Nicely put! Anything associated with Memory is not it, not God or Absolute! Our Bodies and Mind and Genetics and cells, atom etc are all accumulations, or memory of sorts, that is a certain type of Intelligence, that allows Form and Physicality to exist, for Duality to exist, for Us to be here, and experience life this way and to play the game of Life so that Absolute/God can experience itself, otherwise how to Experience and Know, when in God Realm there is no Experience or way to know, it just is up there! So within Us is this Absolute/God aspect that is our Fundamental nature, but we have to deal with this Body/Mind and Duality complex that is here, we have to strive and find out what it is that makes us what we are, its built into us.. When You see someone wanting to be more than what they are right now, via Power, Success, Recognition, Ambition, Drug use, Spirituality and so forth, that is Desire, Desire is Life in expressed form, it propels us forward to the eventual end we call Enlightenment, or Realization of our True Nature and Being...

I'm in my mid 50's, I went thru all these stages as well, went on adventures and such, not rock climbing or dangerous stuff like some, but adventures for me which made me have to step out of my shell and explore different ways of doing things and such, then this Spiritual stuff came into my life and now, being married and with a steady full time job and responsibilities, nothing much excites me anymore when it comes to activities and going out and doing things, as I know what is going on with it within myself and how it will end, its a temporary fix of sorts. With all my Spiritual research both externally and internally, I know as Humans we are always wanting to be more than what we are right now, this need to expand and destroy these walls we build around ourselves is ingrained within us, I'm trying to find the resolution to this internally via practices and contemplation and experience but it is difficult, life is hard at times, not easy even in the west we have our 1st world problems, that is the thing with us Humans, we can get so used to a situation that when that happens more challenges arise in dealing with it, we are always striving to be more, experience more, have and do more, but it is only leading us to one thing, to experience our true nature and Absolute realm of existence, we just do it in constipated manners lol...

Watched plenty of JP interviews, he is just a High IQ guy with a very very active mind and a following that he is capitalizing on. I agree he does interrupt his guest on many occasions, he's there to interview them but he ends up taking up just as much talking time as them, it happens on most of his interviews.. When it comes to mentors and such, I look at how they live their lives and how it is going for them as the prime example, with JP I don't think he is very healthy overall or was not for a long period of time, he's on anti depressants or was, and he thinks too much, too much active intellect and thoughts patterns, plus his ideas on population and we need more ppl on this planet is totally off base, so I don't watch or follow him very much now, he doesn't provide a good example of how I would want to live my life and be in life...

Genuinely not knowing, for a Human anyways, leads to seeking to Know, Knowing on a certain level anyways is possible but before that comes the realization that I do not know anything, which is very uncommon nowadays, with a true experience of not knowing, the motivation to know will arise naturally, that creates the seeker, this can manifest in many ways, taking psychedelics, Yoga, Buddhism, all sorts of ways and methods to explore it, that is why we are all here, to find out and Know beyond our Survival based understanding of things, this is what makes us different from all other life on this planet!

I would ask why are You interpreting in the first place, if You are then for sure there is a big chance of mis interpretation.. The key thing is this, the Mind as we normal understand it will never get it, will never be able to decipher and dissect the Absolute, so I would recommend trying not to interpret it too much. Exploring it is fine, that is what is really needed. As well before hand if possible, set the direction of where You want to go with this Spiritual path, in reality it is not a path or journey because it is all within You and available right now, but we are so very far away from it in our Perception and Experience it seems to need a journey to get there, but in truth Realization can happen right now, just enjoy it and be grateful that it has happened or is happening, and seek guidance from someone that is already there, which is why the Guru is so important..

@AleksM I'm not sure you provided enough details, could you write this again and share more please and thanks:) What is going on is everyone having the same sickness as Keryo Koffa?

@Joshe Nice Inquiry:) There is something else that is able to Perceive it seems beyond our normal everyday 5 sense perception and brain that puts it all together with a formed personality and such, as Mystics and Yogi's state they can remember past lives and such, some even say You can be conscious enough to choose which body to reincarnate into when the present body has died, so something is there.. In Karmic theory and Kosha theory, there are 5 sheaths that make up us Humans, Food/Earth Body, Mind/Intelligence Body, Energy Body, Etheric or Transitionary Body (btwn physical/gross state and non physical/subtle state), and Bliss Body (this refers to the experience one has when intouch with this aspect), I'm assuming these sheaths cover the Life that is encased within it, karmic substance keeps it together like a glue of sorts, this is a simple way to explain it, for sure its more complex and complete than this:) When Your body dies, the karma is stored in the Mental Body and Energy Body and Etheric Body, this along with the Bliss Body go along and are in the "void" of sorts, the after death place, depending on many factors a body is chosen, then this join with that body and the reincarnation has happened and so forth... Most ppl are not conscious of any of this, just like they are not conscious of their subconscious mind and what is happening there, but the sub conscious mind plays a huge role in your life, so how Aware and Conscious You are in this life will play a huge role in the after life and such situations... Sadhguru explains it clearly here, don't believe what he says, don't dis believe what he says, research it (not thru books or video) and find out what is truth or not truth...

This guys YTB page popped up on my home page, he's teaching Alfa males how to succeed, its interesting to watch, valuable to a certain point, but its about material success, physical success, and relationship success, Survival level stuff imo, no problem with it, its needed, but its very different from what I normally watch and are interested in, I will watch more of his stuff to investigate and inquire...

Your natural kundalini was already high before hand probably, the simple yoga he shares just below it up and that is good, if you left the body then in the end that is good on the karmic scale, no more cycle, no more rebirth and shit to go thru:)

Yes completely Agree, it is good too discuss since discussion is a way to communicate situations and feelings and to let other know what is happening that cannot know thru direct experience, then there is going overboard as is the case with the Isreal/Palestine thread, its just gets to a point of why listen, why contribute when ppls strong beliefs overshadow real sharing and listening, plus us talking about it here does nothing to change things.. Discussion and what is going on here on this forum on most posts is just a simple starting point, true change and transformation only happens when internally/individually one has a change in perception and experience, sharing this is good, going over it too much in mind complex is no good, balance as always is needed...

PeterZeihan describing the situation in Bangladesh, with 172 million ppl or appearances!!

Run over a kid, see how imaginary your life get then!!! Report back in 20+yrs how it went for You:) This is he exact problem I have with you solipsist folks, thinking or perceiving life this way is dangerous and disempowering on a huge scale!

No fiction, identifying with Life is not a fiction, one just needs to perceive it, and there are methods to make that happen so one will know what is the truth of reality and what is fiction, this is not about picking up on an ideology and applying to your life intellectually and saying that is life, its not like that at all, but we are free here to do what we want to do, if one wants to identify with being a chimp then so be it, karma will work its magic and life will progress via that karma and outcome, if one can go thru it joyfully then who cares eh:)

Math is objective, it can be proven in a sense, what Your talking about is subjective, which is really all we have. Does a Tree falling in the forest make a sound when no body is around? No they say, since no body is around to hear it, this is subjectivity, but objectively it does. There are ppl in the world doing the worst things ever, they think this is empowering for them, we see it happening all the time, in Grand Ways that affect millions, in small ways that affect individual families, but its all causing suffering overall, its not healthy at all, so its the same here, You can say whatever Your truth and experience is, its just a story to me and others reading it, its can only inspire or reject others depending on where they are at individually.. My unsolicited advice for You, as an outside observer, is to stay away from here for a month, stay away from Youtube, actualized.com, any outside influence including the drugs you are using, do Your practice intensely and see what happens..

This is a good share, I feel it that way too, which is why I think trying to Understand Reality or Deconstruct it is a hopeless endeavour, why do it, where is it going to get You, if You succeed then what? I'd much rather live in an Experience of Blissful Existence, realizing You are Me, You exist as a Body/Mind Complex, I do too, that is separate but what is really You and I is the same, but its a game of Life, we can play it together...much more fun this way compared to Deconstructing Reality, sounds like trying to figure out Quantum Physics and develop a Theory of Everything, its all relative and too much work, when You get older You realize this very easily!!

I'm not intellectual giant lol, but the above is just ridiculous. Just go out for a drive, don't use Your 5 senses, don't trust them, tell me what happens??? You can't see You Adulation towards Leo, because Your caught up in it, I have space to see it, You say you see it with me and with Sadhguru, its okay up to a point, I have reasons why I do this with him, but I don't watch his video's much anymore and don't participate on any of his forums if they have one, your right here daily for hours, and when You get his attention its like a kitten licking up milk lol, your extracting from him the answers to your questions, you think only he can answer because you put him in a place in your mind, its very obvious!

Your a lacky like Davino, you assumed the personality of Your Leader Leo, you think Your higher up, at a level of something, so You say what You say above like a hypocrite...Anything You say has no credibility with me, but continue to say whatever and stay on here for hours debating and posting, it goes around in circle jerk of nothing, it means really nothing, this is entertainment, and a test for me, ego gets poked and perceive it and respond, sometimes I fail, sometimes I succeed, for You it seems like it is much more than that, good luck with it:)

I perceive them via my 5 senses lol, my wife is right beside me, I can touch, feel, smell and hear her, its real enough, who are you to say otherwise, maybe ask Leo, he can answer that for You since You can't wait for him to answer your questions, lol... Your showing your true colors dude, and its a joke!

I agree in a way, as we can "Live via the Absolute" as an Experience, but we can also not live that as an Experience, just go to the mental health forum, see what is happening there, they Experience it differently.. You see you guys are excluding Experience, you just looking at Absolute and it a formula for You, if you exclude Experience then it works, but if You include Experience it falls short... If there is no Experience, then what is Life, why are You asking Leo at every chance questions upon questions, why needing answers if You have No Experience? You need the answers to enhance Your Experience, hence You have Experience, which I am not aware of, hence there is difference and levels and such distinctions!.

I agree in a way, as all Experience is happening within Me, in a certain way I am the center of the Universe is Me as when Experience stops (Deep Sleep) the world does not exist, it then exists when I wake up, senses start up again bla bla bla... I agree that projections exist via our mind and how we think and interpret and perceive things outside our senes body complex, but there is the other in way, other life, other ppl, other planets and solar systems and such, on the physical level only, which is why I look at existence as Gross to Subtle, Gross is here on Earth and Universe plane, everything our 5 senses can perceive, Subtlest is Absolute, there is no perception there, no experience there, no anything other than One, Potential/Possibility, which is why we have to be as we are here, Dual World, Materialism, Survival, Senses/Perception and Experience via our Human System, which is unique in a way for all of us, its the same in many ways but complex and unique as well, this is how the Absolute gets to know itself, via Experience, via Humans and maybe other life forms elsewhere...

Yes finally someone gets it!! Well Done!

Not on this level of Existence, its well established that there are levels to everything, that is why Leo does what he does, share videos and courses for those in need at certain levels, on this level of existence there is a "You" and "Me", in absolute level there is none of this, we are not there as we have Bodies and Mind and everything else to deal with, if You exclude those things then Your in lala land, life will bite You for sure, suffering will be the result..

I wouldn't say Humans and Chimps are similar, who is ruling this world Chimps or Humans? Identification will happen, we can choose Consciously what to Identify with, why identify with something lower than Life itself, then have to be aware of negative aspects of what Your identifying with? Just identify with the highest aspect of what we are then go from there, why make it more complicated than that?