Ishanga

why do you want Truth? Why do ppl want to go to Heaven, or post on this forum, or do anything in life?

Competition is on the level of Survial, if all of life/nature was in competition with itself, then no material existence would be possible, ppl use animal nature as an example of why we need to compete and such, even plant life, plants trees fighting for space and sunlight, but these forms of life are limited and not capable of the possibility and potential that we have as humans, even though most humans are not living anywhere near that potental, so harmony, balance, equanimity are what is needed today, competition has given us what we have today, which is not so empowering imo:)

True, so all we can do is be the best version of ourselves right? What is the best version of ourselves then, many have tried to define this, some do not have any idea of Spirituality and what it means, so their exposure is limited, but we live in the best time ever for being exposed to everything and anything, which is why the Pain of Ignorance has to enter someones life, when that happens as they say the Teacher will arrive and things start to happen for You:)

@sleep Its good to share, ask questions and such, just don't rely on it as some sort of authority. Truth is within You, find a way to access that Truth and then Life opens up and your on your way, looking outside of Yourself for answers is not the way to Truth...

Society is just an Idea, none of us really know what is going on with society other than how we internally feel about it, so for me I see chaos, disfunction, disharmony most everywhere, ppl looking outside themselves for life and pleasures and security, when all experience happens within You, so where is life happening but only within You, but few know this as a Reality, so socially we are in trouble. With the Raising of Human Consciousness we go from being living as we are now, looking for life outside ourselves, not knowing a thing about reality, to knowing life is within ourselves, and a good perception of reality as it is, which is a much more stable place to be, much more harmony and live empowerment, all we need is too establish this as a necessity, like we did at the beginning of the 1900's where most of the people were illiterate, we established institutions and system so that everyone had the opportunity to be able to read and write and basics like that, do the same here and life on this planet would transform..

Because ppl are so empowered today with technology, one person (lets Use Leo for eg) can create a platform and influence thousands of ppl, because of that access to tech and communication with a possible world wide audience, laziness in ppl is saving us, if everyone had that ambition, like that of a motivated hungry tiger, then with the current level of consciousness in this world, it would be chaos and war everywhere..

Quickest way is to use established practices that have been around for thousands of Years, that basically clear your mind, karma/conditioning and tendencies habits that are making You not realize reality as it is, I use Isha Yoga, other Yogic systems work very well coming from True Teachers/Guru's, Buddhism works well, find a method that appeals to You on some level, not one that You necessarily enjoy, but one that on some level your attracted to, make the decision to do it consistently, then do it for at least a Year, check if You are more healthy, joyful and more vitality, etc, then Your on Your way. Don't think Enlightenment right off the bat, think baby steps, be Peaceful within Yourself naturally no matter what is happening around you, each moment, each day, then go from there...

Being vulnerable brings fear, this is the whole problem with this sort of thinking and belief, that You have to leave Yourself open and vulnerable to allow someone else to come into your life, and deal with it, vulnerability allowing it too happen will naturally bring fear, fear of loss, fear of being vulnerable itself, this is all mental games and intellectual level of living which is thinking about Life, not living Life. One must be Loving, for that too happen one has to already be engaged on a level of Reality and Awareness where they control and determine how they will experience Life within themselves, then they can go out and share it with others, this appears to be Love in expressed form. Otherwise You are just making an arrangement of sorts, you do this for me, I do that for You, the hormones release and sort of feeling of connection is there (for procreation to happen) then one must be vulnerable, accepting and such intellectual games, which usually leads to separation unless one has a higher level of Awarenss in play...

@Yimpa This is why forums and things like this via the internet are not the be all end all, yes sharing is good (sanga) but it has to be more personal, and in committed environments, this here is not a committed environment, its very general and ppl can come and go as they please, no committment necessary. Its a starting point this place is, but definitely not an end point or place of great value and wisdom, that comes when someone does the work/striving and finds out for themselves what is the Reality, and what is not. When someone shares, they have to expect differing opinions coming their way, their reaction to it says allot...

Love its quite simple, an Emotion, a strong sense of pleasure, you feel it because of the Oxtocycin in your Brain, mostly triggered by subject/object attraction then something clicks in your brain, the hormone is released and you feel a great connection with other. Being Loving is another thing all together, its you expressing what You are feeling within Yourself, which is where all experience and feeling comes from, Love is not about the other, its just stimulated by the other for most. You want Love to feel Bliss, if Love made You feel pain and suffering then you wouldn't want it...

Like I said in my initial post, I'm glad for You in many ways, being Blissed out is awesome and everyone should have this experience, its just the way your talking (and now reacting) that says allot but hey ppl have to do what they feel is right, no worries:)

It seems you are triggered by some saying something You don't agree with, you see how this works? Lets not play games, and I am not playing games either, just commenting and observing, that is all, if one wants to Love Themselves and go down that road so be it, its no skin off my back, just saying in my own experience and research this is the wrong road to go down, but ppl must do what they must do and see for themselves:)

Which God are You referring to, India has some 30 million:) Ego is a great thing. makes You do dumb things:)

This has all been explained and realized way before You and I ever existed physically on this planet, these sorts of questions have been around for a very long time. Just do some research, Reality is not imagination, that is Your Mind playing tricks on you, combined with an Ego complex that say only "I' exist. Your subjectivity is Yours alone, everything You experience happens within You, so in a way only "I" exists, but we can see that there is others, other ppl, places and things, that exist whether You or I are here to perceive it, its just we can experience Oneness very profoundedly within ourselves, just don't mix this up with the egoic "I" that we all use to survive within a society...We are not the "I" or individual body/mind, but we have to deal with it all while here on this planet and dual existence of sorts...Love is just an emotion, you want it because its very sweet and pleasant, whatever ppl are deprived of they want, some want Love, some want Power, some want Fame, some want Realization...Realization is the highest desire and want...

God is infinite Inclusiveness, expressed via infinite forms which create diversity, its all on levels of perception and reality.

I wouldn't say that bodies and minds are "Pure" Imagination, this is top level down sort of thinking and realizing, top level down is non duality teachings and Ramana and such things, where there is only one existence, one reality and only permanent things exist, everything else is considered non existence because its non permanent, but drop a brick on your foot and tell us what it feels like and if that pain is imagined lol...you won't do it because you know its going to hurt...

Yes agreed, Enlightenment is in a way just the beginning, it brings us to a Realization, true Enlightenment means one loses their Individuality, now this realm we are on here on this planet is all about Individuality, Diversity, Duality and sorts, of course there are places of Oneness and such, but this is what this realm is about, when one reaches the State of Enlightenment they will lose that, their gone bodily/mentally, and merge with oneness, concsiousness and all that. But there are those Masters/Guru's we label them that are there as well but still Embodied and here dealing or creating Karma and know the mechanics of Life and how it all connects. I'm connected with Sadhguru, he is one of them, there may be more, but no public figures like him..they are help to help balance out things and bring anyone willing to strive to go thru the Enlightenment process as well...

You see how You are making it personal, like a personal attack?

There are others, other bodies, other minds, we as Humans just have the ability to feel/experience Oneness, in a physical way we show by hugging, cuddling, and other such acts, but actors do this all the time with others but have no personal or real feelings towards the others, its just an experience Your having, which is good and fine, just don't make it about "I". When I went thru these states it was just about having Bliss, having Oneness of Experience, everything is me, I am everything, then trying to share it, either one takes it in and accepts it or doesn't, that doesn't involve me. Only in the realm of Oneness, where all possibility exists, there is no individuality there, but here there is, we just have the capability of making our fundamental experience that of Oneness, will still embodied and dealing with everyday life and having to survive another day...

@Scholar You only want Love because it is pleasurable, you avoid pain because it causes suffering over time, non pleasureable, Peace is 0 on a scale of 0-10 on the pleasure scale of intensity, Love is about 7, Bliss is 9, Esctasy is 10, devotion is above Love, its 8 I would say:)

No its not that, Loving Yourself, needs two entitites, the one loving and the thing being loved, this is egoic, creating two inside of You, the mind can create two or a million, so logically it doesn't work, especially for Spiritual purposes, it just sounds to me that Your just in great spirits, and love is pouring out of You, which is what we all should be feeling all the time, it has nothing to do with Loving Yourself lol.. that is just modern day new age BS which is full of holes, half truths and leads one further away from Truth and Reality..

Everthing Your 5 senses bring into Your brain, especially the intellectual stuff from hearing and seeing, from videos, books, lectures and so forth, it may be reality and truth from whomever it is coming from, but its a story for You, this is where belief begins and leads us down roads we shouldn't go, only when its a real experience for You alone does it become reality and not a story of sorts..Ultimate reality is "God", but there are levels to reality that come when material/physical existence and duality come into play. If all we ever had was God realization as our experience, humans would not exist or care about surival in any way, therefore we have those living like animals today and those living like Gods today, levels of experience and realization are definitely the reality, we are possibility/potentiality machines, its our ability to use our Free Will to decide with Awareness how we want to be and how Realized we are here and now..

I think most everything is pseudoscience today, the normal scientific community is corrupted by corporations, they only research and present findings that enhance the corporations sponsoring their projects. Whatever Science comes up with today, they report as this is the way it is, then 10 yrs later they find out pretty well none of it is reality or truth, but they explain it away as they are always researching and find out if their theories are true or not, but with ego's present they identify and fall into the trap of believing, I see it happening all the time, and her is Wolfgang Smith, world reputed Mathmatican and Phycists saying the samethings about modern day scientist and science in general, its mostly all BS..

If Your into Chi Kung, I used to teach Wing Chun, it has a basic form of chi kung attached to it but its not what it is there for, research Adam Chan, he's a high level Martial Artist, one of the best I have seen, modern day Bruce Lee but better in many ways, he's gotten to the point of Spiritual Realization, where he no longer has to practice Martial Arts forms or specifics, but mostly now only practices chi kung, and it has brought him to a new level of actualization, just thought to share it for since Your into Chi Kung, he's out of Vancouver Canada, very good guy:)

@Circassia To Rostov We have a natural fear of pain, especially this sort of pain that is intentionally inflected upon someone by another. Why does it happen? Because the Torturer is not feeling any sort of connection to the one being tortured, simple as that, most of the ppl of the world live like this but are not at that sort of extreme level of disconnect. Belief can be dangerous, but we are on a internet forum where all we have is logic, intellect to communicate with, so I do believe in reincarnation, there's lots of evidence of it, but Enlightenment is the end of the cycle of birth/death on a physical level for sure. There may be other realms above this, that is all debateable, we are here now in this realm and have to make the best of it. Don't live via belief or past/future memory/imagination POV, just be in the Now, you can learn and become wise from the past and plan for the future, but if You are in fear that means You living in the future, which does not yet exist, so that in itself is a form of insanity. just find some method or practices, stay with it, get to a point of Peace within Yourself, don't bother with notions of Enlightenment, Reincarnation and such things, just be at Peace with what is, then go on from there naturally...