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Most Narcissistic or Megalomaniac personalities do NOT recognize it within themselves so I understand why You don't get what I am saying... When I first came on here and everyone found out I am into Sadhguru, You tried to get me away from him in a way, at least that is what I felt, it was strange indeed... I pride myself on my ability to look around and see others perspectives, I focus on what Sadhguru does because it simply makes the most sense to Me, it may not be this way with others and that is okay, lots here do the same with Leo, but I do not see it in Leo like the others do, I see someone that for sure has had Awakenings but he's not there Yet Experientially, he seems Angry and Emotional/Reactive, and he looks down on many here including me as newbies or someone that doesn't know what they are talking about, and that he is above all others, and I see it in you too, your just more gentle with it... I've researched many many other Spiritual Teachers and Methods/Ideologies, I just use Sadhguru's terminology allot that is all, I don't even watch his videos much anymore, I did before and I don't have to know unless it is about something revealed as New or Interesting to me...

@emil1234 Good post and sharing, for sure You've had Awakening, I would just keep on doing what Your doing and let nature take its course. Guys Like Frank Yang, you mentioned him, lots around here think he's something special, I don't see it, he looks super egoic and likes to show off, looking for fame of sorts, I wouldn't follow or listen to anyone like him when it comes to Spiritual Teachings or as an example of that... So these sorts of ppl are not on the path, its something else, that is why they still luv the materialism and such. Others on the right path use materialism to support their mission to help others elevate their Consciousness, this is the way of things in today's world, $$ has to be spent if one wants to to big things in the world, Sadhguru's course are cheap compared to others, I paid only $150 US for his Online IE course when I did it in 2012, its is priceless in how effective it is and how well it worked, others charge 100X this for shit courses, so it says allot and can be easily seen...

Dude You need to Chill and come down to Earth, aren't You suffering from some form of Social Anxiety, didn't You post about this recently asking for help? I'm not holding this against You, we all have some sorts of issues, whether social or interior experiential experiences going on, its not easy being Human especially in this day and age, I just bring this up because You come off as a Megalomaniac in a way, saying what You listed above.. Leo is just like this too, especially lately, but he seems very Grumpy and Aggravated, You are more soft approach but it is there for sure.. We all have a sense of Ego, and follow certain paths and ideologies, this has to happen when Embodied with a Body/Mind Complex, its going to happen, but what You say above is dangerous thinking and understanding of Oneself, I see this all the time in the world and it is not Healthy!

Completely Agree! Its not about Good or Bad, its about are You Self/Ego Centered or Inclusive in Nature? These Athletes are are Egoic in Nature! I played many sports when I was younger, but I got super involved with Tennis, went to high Level Tennis Camps in Florida, I think if I lived in a more Uban Environment I could have done something with it, but I still watch the pro's play, I don't Understand it, the clench their fists on everyshot lol, the big guns win win and win and lose it when they win like its the greatest thing ever, its like a drug addiction, their after that win. To Win someone has to Lose, that means Your celebrating being on top of someone else, that is more like a sickness than anything. Its okay to challenge Yourself on many levels, if Messi is playing just for the Luv of the Sport then that is the way it should be, You play because U luv it, the playing of the game and such, yeah I may be a little disappointed when I lose but it won't kill me. Just watch that new Netflix series on Tennis Players called Break Point, these ppl are dysfunctional to say the least, they put stress upon themselves and I think are living miserable lives all to chase that big "WIn", hypocrisy if you ask me Sadhguru with an Ex Soccer play from Britain, excellent convo on cheating in sports and what sports is all about!

He doesn't recognize the pretentiousness, he like everyone here makes big claims, but when someone else makes different ones, at time they become pretentious and very egoic in nature lol... People can discuss and disagree on things for sure, but when they claim others are "speculating" and just guessing, lol, who's to say that to someone else when they no very very little about them other than what they write here, its super pretentious to say such things.. Leo is the lead here and it has filtered down to many others in many ways, that is not so good imo...

Its a big Distraction that is why, if someone is stuck in a Hell of sorts, Suffering all the time, they will do whatever they need to do to get out of that place, at least for a bit of time.. We are very complex as Human Beings, high levels of Awareness of Truth are needed to Live a Life that allows our Full Potential to come forth in our Experience.. If this doesn't happen, and ppl go thru various levels of Suffering, then its a wasted Life, as its a wasted Potential, isn't that the definition of Tragedy?? We morn when a Child dies or is Killed because the Potential is Lost, and its Tragic! Spiritual Path or Mukti as Sadhguru puts it, is about Living to our Potential and Possibility, this sort of Language takes the Bullshit out of it, the Religious and Spiritual words that ppl use, like God or Absolute or whatever that can create all sorts of meaning in someone's mind, just call it Potential, and don't ask what that means, just find out for yourself thru some practices and methods that have been around long before anyone here was born, why reinvent the wheel when its already there for Us to us and find out what our Potential Is! As soon as You try to define it and intellectualize it, You lose it, and put it in a box and then your Fucked in ever living that Potential!

@MarioGabrielJ I prefer the use of the Term Brahman myself, God has to many implications associated with it for Use in a Spiritual Context I think, Brahman is better as it doesn't refer to a "Personified" God, it refers to as what You said above, Everything and Anything.. We can't understand Brahman, but we can Experience it. How does the Absolute or Brahman experience itself? I think it creates Us, so that a game of sorts begins, so that all sorts of Situations and Experience arises out of this Game. The Game is Serious and Fun, Blissful and Suffering, and the coolest part of it all, Brahman gave Us Free Will, the Ability to be Conscious/Aware enough of Brahman (this does not mean Intellectual Understanding) that we can determine in each of our Individual Expression/Experience how to go thru this Game, is it a Blissful Game or Suffering Game, both have to exist, one cannot exist without the other, but we can choose!! When we don't choose, then we live by accident and cannot really Experience Brahman totally, so that is why Bliss is a Great Foundational Context on the Spiritual Path, it allows us to be Free From Individuality and Karma in a way, it brings us beyond the inherent need to Survive and Live on that level of Living.. When You stop looking outside for Fulfilment, You stop Extracting from "Other", and You start Sharing, Giving much more, You want to Share this Bliss with everything around You, that is where Sat Chit Ananda comes into it, Reality/Brahman is Truth, Consciousness/Awareness, Bliss, these three words basically describe Reality and its all we need to know of it I think, any further inquiry will then get Us too Intellectually stimulated and we will Lose Awareness of it totally! All of this is Experiential, without Experience then how is Brahman/God to know itself?

Read and Listen to the Lyrics, if You don't get it, then You need TOO! Logical Song by SuperTramp! When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful A miracle, oh, it was beautiful, magical And all the birds in the trees, well they'd be singing so happily Oh, joyfully, oh, playfully watching me But then they sent me away to teach me how to be sensible Logical, oh, responsible, practical Then they showed me a world where I could be so dependable Oh, clinical, oh, intellectual, cynical There are times when all the world's asleep The questions run too deep For such a simple man Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned? I know it sounds absurd Please tell me who I am I said, now, watch what you say, they'll be calling you a radical A liberal, oh, fanatical, criminal Oh, won't you sign up your name? We'd like to feel you're acceptable Respectable, oh, presentable, a vegetable Oh, take, take, take it, yeah But at night, when all the world's asleep The questions run so deep For such a simple man Won't you please (oh, won't you tell me) Please tell me what we've learned? (Can you hear me?) I know it sounds absurd (Oh, won't you tell me) please tell me who I am Who I am, who I am, who I am Ooh Hey 'Cause I was feeling so logical Yeah D-D-D-D-D-D-D-Digital Yeah, one, two, three, five Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah Ooh, it's getting unbelievable Yeah Getting, getting, yeah, yeah Uh, uh, uh, uh Source: LyricFind Songwriters: Richard Davies / Roger Hodgson

If You listen to this, its really the Enlightenment Song, not the Logical Song, the Lyrics say it All!

Here Sadhguru Describes the 5 Koshas, or Layers/Shealths that make Up a Human Being,.. What keeps it all together is the Karmic Substance, its like a Glue of sorts, Your Karma is stored in the First 3 Layers I believe, if You lose Your Body, its still in the Mind Layer, and the Energy Layer...Energy is the most subtle aspect of Physicality, Body is the most Gross aspect, once You Master the Energy aspect of Your Existence, then Your Destiny is 100% in Your hands, Karma cannot touch You know! 1) Food/Earth Body 2) Mental Body 3) Energy Body 4) Transitionary Body, phasing into Non Physical Aspect.. 5) Bliss Body, Bliss refers to the Experience of the person touching this aspect of what they are, pure Non Physical Aspect!

Most human beings are breathing somewhere between 12 to 15 times per minute. They use less than 20% of their lung capacity during normal breathing. If your lung capacity expands, the number of breaths per minute during normal breathing naturally comes down, without one controlling it. One practises it so that this type of breathing becomes normal in our daily life style . Ofcourse intense activity like running or sports activity is an exception . If we simply practise breathing like this which is also one of the part of shambhavi mahamudra , you will see your energies will divert themselves in a completely different direction.

If One is Identified and Trapped in the Mind, then there is Time and Space, that is the arena of the Mind, always Remembering and Imagining, but if You have more Intense Awareness and Consciousness, then you will not be identified with the Mind and not trapped by it, therefore Time no longer exists for You, Your Here and Now, a never ending Moment, this is very empowering but it has to be balanced, if not then Your not going to function within a Society (which is okay too). So it all depends on where one is, levels again present here too.. This is what it means to be Human, Free Will or the Ability to Respond to what is happening within You and Around You sooner or later has to be dealt with, if not one will live in fantasy's or ideologies which may lead them astray to more suffering or worse a lost and wasted Life..

This is quite easy to figure out and explain.. Without Perception and the Ability to Experience, then there is only the Absolute/God/Infinite/Brahman, but this is only one side of the coin.. Since that realm contains All, is One, is Complete, it holds all Potential and Possibility but there is No Perception and Experience in that exact realm, its it here though in this realm, this place, this Earth, we are the Potential and Possibility being played out, I don't know if its being played out in another way on some other planet or dimension, but it is here.. Reality is One Yes, but Perception happens on different levels, some perceive on survival levels only, animals and such, for Humans we can perceive on this level only too (as most do) but we have more potential within Us to Perceive at Higher Levels of Perception, what most would say is a higher State of Consciousness or Awareness, when One is in that state they Feel as they are One with Everything, when they are not at that level they feel Separate from Everything, so Reality is One, but we can Perceive it at all sorts of Levels of Perception, from Gross to Subtle!

If You just for a second see a bit of the hypocrisy that Your your writing here. you jus wrote in the OP that You had a "Dream" that felt Real, then You woke Up, lol.. Its all real, the brain does not know the difference btwn something vividly imagined and a real experience, so in one way the dream is real for You Subjectively. Objectively everything is Real, but Real on certain level of Reality. In some Hinduism they say anything that is Impermanent is not Real, so Our Bodies, Our Thoughts, our Dreams, our Buildings and all that sort of stuff, anything that will deteriorate and/or Die is impermanent and therefore not Real or Reality, and in a certain way that is True in an Objective Way of viewing it, but Subjectively it is not so..So as I've always been saying, there are levels to Reality, Gross to Subtle, Your too focused on the Subtle realm, we need balance to know all of Reality and that is the goal of all Spiritual Paths and Traditions..

The fact of the matter is You've gone under the spell of some Ideology, what You say is half true I would say, but its not the whole story,,someday You'll wake up to it...I'm not saying I have the whole truth either, at least not experientially, but I know the theories of reality well, and its not non duality!

lol, I'm a huge Rocky fan too, I think Rocky III has the best elements of the whole series, it has a bit of the first movie in it, and the character and all the others evolve in Rocky III which is nice to see, they who they are but better versions of it.. Besides the Rocky's I like... 1) Heat with De Niro and Pacino 2) Civil War Captain America, good action and pacing! 3) Star Trek Stuff.. 4) Bruce Lee movies, since I'm a Martial Artist by trade he influenced me allot in that way 5) Star is Born with Streisand and Kristofferson, the 70's version, my parents listened to the soundtrack always on long road trips, lol I like that music!! 6) lots of others that I can remember, anything will some good substance and not too too recent lol...

In the End its all Bullshit, the Theoretical parts, the Intellect trying to dissect Reality to a point where our mind can understand it, you can study all this shit and still experience nothing differently, Experience is all You really have.. We just have to keep in our minds the moments before our Body dies, if Your still able to have some quality of Awareness at that point, and you look back on Your Experiences from being Born to this moment of Body Death, who cares about what Theory says this or that, did You fuckin have a Good Time, did You contribute to Others, did You live beyond Sleep, Work, Eat, Shit, Procreate, repeat repeat then Die sort of situation?? All of the above Theories will take You so off course in the study of them, you will waste the most precious resource You have while here on Planet Earth, that is TIME!

I think there is a time and place to have this sort of Realization, what You say above is for sure I think an Ego destroyer, but if we plan on staying here on Earth to do Earthly work while our Inner World is fully Awakened or Enlightened, then we need not have to destroy the Ego, just stop identifying with it. But its true, in the fundamental essence of Reality and Life, we are just speks of dust, we are here in the blink of an eye, less than that compared to the age of the Universe, so no matter what we do, it is very short lived and its true soon after Your physical death most will forget You lol, but our Ego luv's the Legacy thing and it strives for it today, the only thing to do about it is to Enjoy it to the Fullest I think... Its a very weird situation we are in as Human Beings, lots of complex but simple things going on, opportunities galore are here for us to reach unseen Potentials, lots of pitfalls too. I agree God/Absolute is all about Intelligence of a sort that we know little of, unless Your Awareness is super high, everything is really a Miracle of sorts, but we take it for granted mostly, so strange this place called Earth and everything in it!

I think nowadays Martial Arts is mostly about Ego, when I was training I was truly interested in learning the Art I was learning, it just fascinated me that much that I practiced and trained allot like almost full time for years at a time, it consumed me, then it subsided after I gained some skills, but I'm no "Fighter", i know how to fight but I don't have the natural Killer Instinct that is needed to really finish someone off, unless of course I was protecting family and such things.. Back in the day though, hundreds or thousands of years ago, it was more about survival and waring times, things needed to be developed and done to survive another day, in the east they took up differently, than the west for sure, fighting arts developed as a Way of Life, in the west it was not this way, it probably has something to do with how they view life compared to Us here...

Yes Totally, Ignorance rules... Sadhguru actually says we should stay ignorant in a way, as knowledge is limited, but Ignorance is unlimited, but to do this we have to Experience Life as a game or Leela, and to play it Joyfully no matter what is happening around Us, that means establishing our Bliss/Being first then going out and performing action and having this or that come as a result!

That's what I mean, this is most a forum about Spirituality, Self Improvement and such, its good that Leo put other Sub Forums on it too, so things can be discussed and learned, but to be posting and drawn into the Trump incident because it is "Drama" is anti everything that we are trying to do in Spirituality and Self Improvement or Awareness, even Leo himself is posting like mad on that thing, its nuts, its a complete drama shit show, the whole world it caught up in it, giving opinions and theories on what happened and why it happened, this is the crazy that I am talking about. I just bring it up as an Example, I'm not going on that sub thread or anything to check it out, but on other sites it pops up infront of me so it unavoidable in a way the crazy that is happening, its very sad indeed...

We all have to ask ourselves why we do what we do? For eg...Why are so many ppl posting on the Social/Political forum under the "Trump got Shot" thread? Its over 14.000 view and such, why is that such a big thing and drawing so much attention, each person involved with that thread should ask themselves... So what he gets shot and whatever, 50% of the ppl hate him, the other 50% luv him, i don't care about it, both him and Biden are bad choices, maybe it would be good if one of them would be taken out so someone with some sanity can take over, not that I am approving that being done by violence which is not acceptable, but in other ways someone has to do something! But why are You and any of Us posting here? I post here because I have no one else to discuss these topics with, and it challenges my Ego, and my understanding of things to read others perpectives and debate, and I like to share so that if someone gets something out of it, this world I am in and involved with becomes a better place because right now its not such a great place in many ways...

Oh No, now we know your on the wrong path!!