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Your all wasting Your time trying to discuss things like Infinity, God, and such lofty concepts which is what they are, how can You explain or describe something beyond physicality, beyond boundaries, unknowable things? Its a waste of time, but does great on this forum because its all a theory or concept which seems to be popular here,,,but its entertaining:)

Its quite possible, that is why the next 5-15yrs are very crucial for Human Beings existence, different from before as now we have ultra technologies like AI and super intelligence coming into the picture and the question is can we control it absolutely? Well we can't as the OP said it will get into the hands of someone not so conscious and viola the Human world is gone. Just look at this world today, with all the major and minor conflicts going on, yeah some good things are happening too but lots of chaos too, so the raising of Human Consciousness is the primary task and the most important thing to Happen in the world today, that is the only solution to all of this...

Consciousness in this context means How Aware of Reality are You, what is the Intensity of Your Inner Experience related to Reality and Clarity of It! On this planet Human Beings have the most ability to be Conscious, we are unlimited Possibility and Potential, but very few are using that Potential in Everyday existence. There are ppl alive today that are 1000X more conscious than the average person. Karma means Action, there are 4 main areas of Action going on in Your Life every moment of the day since birth, Bodily Action, Mind Action, Emotional Action, Energy Action, how Conscious are You of what is going on in these 4 areas? Most are not even 1% Conscious, so that is the goal become 100% conscious of all the actions taking place within You, then You will be there... So far in all my research Sadhguru explains Truth the best, he has a way to make it simple and understandable enough so that it creates a curiosity in You to Seek the Truth for Yourself, that is the only way You will understand it, Truth cannot be explained really, we talk around it not directly about it!

Everything here is just a story, we are not talking about Spirituality, Truth in reality, we are just talking around it all, those things have to be internally experienced, not talked about for one to truly get it..

But it is not coming from a place of Fear when something is happening within that You do not want! We are made to be Blissful, our bodies and minds, our intellects and creative capacity and ability work much better when in Blissful states of experience. So it is a natural thing to want to be healthy and fully alive and Aware! The example You gave is a consequence, this is first Karma, facing fears, then Samsara which is the situation that comes due to Karma (impressions from past actions, when it comes to Actions in all the areas of life (physical, mental, emotional, energy) do whatever You want to do, if You can face the consequences Joyfully, then what does it matter? So Life and actions is about cause and effect, when Your Blissful then You can do with the Effect much better imo...

Meanwhile Your typing on a keyboard or phone, into a illusionary internet forum, creating threads and posting replies lol....

There's plenty of things someone can do when they are not feeling good emotionally, lol...are we helpless sheep?

I think this is a half truth, yes whatever it is that is going on in life, either our inner experience or situations around Us, we have to Accept things as they are, this is a Stress Stopper, resistance to what Is is what Stress is, so Accepting that Your feeling down is first and foremost, but just because we Accept it/something doesn't mean we want it to be that way.. To do nothing about it means nothing will change, as Human Beings we are empowered to control and/or have the ability to change things to our liking, especially when it comes to our Inner Nature and Experience, its of the upmost importance that if Your not feeling so good inside of yourself that You do something about it, its like getting sick or cancer, you do nothing about it?

This is an old video of Sadhguru, he is answering a question from a participant about their friend that has cancer all over her body and if there is anything he can do to heal her. His response is very good, I watched both my parents die, they were in their 80's, lived good long full lives, but sooner or later everything that is physical has to end, that is the way of life, but as Human we do this with Grace and Dignity. Many ppl that are dying do not die in Grace and Dignity, they live beyond what they should and it reflects in their quality of Life. So if Your young start to contemplate Your Mortality, its important, and not in a morbid way, but in a way that makes You wise, that says to You "Don't waste time doing Stupid things, do things that are Important and Mean something to You!"..

I've come to a point where things outside of me don't bother me as much, traffic still bothers me but it only lasts a second or so, otherwise maybe due to age I've learned to accept what is much better now.. Its not that we have many "emotions" to deal with, or situations, it is just that deep down there is a lack of acceptance towards what is, and a lack of responding to what is vs reacting. I for one do not want to feel negative emotions, fear, shame, frustration, sadness, depression, anxiety, I've felt these and much rather feel Joy, Bliss, Excitement, Intensity of experience, Vitality and so forth. We have Free Will, we need to decide what we want for ourselves, if one wants to feel sadness, depression, anxiety, then that is up to them, but the more positive emotions are more healthy for us, that is proven, the more wellbeing You have, the more access to your potential and capability You have, so that is the choice...

I remember when I first started doing Shambhavi Mahamudra, the Inner Engineering practice Sadhguru shares, its 21 min, within a couple of weeks of starting the practice I was in almost constant Blissful states, very happy and whistling all the time, even at work and work was not a pleasant place to be, and ppl there started asking 'Why are You smiling all the time.,." lol, then it starts to steady out a bit, the intensity is not as intense and so forth, so I think as Human Beings we get used to states of Experience very quickly, like a Heroin addicted needing more heroin to feel high, so that is what happens, as we are always looking for Unboundedness and to be completely Free as an Ultimate Desire. So when first Awakening happens, I think many just get into the change in perception and general feeling of wellbeing or differences, this may distract them from everyday life and stuff, which sooner or later evens out as one gets used to it:)

@Princess Arabia I would say that for one that as just had their first Awakening the motivation to do mundane, normal everyday things maybe low, but if one has been in an Awakened state for awhile and has gotten used to it, then motivation should never be an issue or something that comes up. Motivation to me is mostly about outside stimuli, like watching a Rocky movie to get motivated to go workout or something.. A cool trick for Us householders is too make everyday chores and work as well a sort of Spiritual Sadhana, try to observe everything in the moment with a high Intensity like its the first time You have ever done it..Also, serving others and sharing all that You are with others is a form of Devotion or Self less action (karma yoga), its a sadhana all on its own..

Its all a matter of your level of Consciousness/Awareness, if it is normal/low then Karma will rule and You will have no Free Will, now since he probably is not considering Spiritual matters, and it making his deductions on how regular ppl live, he is correct. But if Your Consciousness/Awareness is at a high Level You have Free Will, complete control of Your Destiny, how You will die (other than a random accident), how Your experience is within Yourself, and even to a point of controlling the involuntary actions of the body functions normally thought not too be possible by western science... Its like Freud making conclusions about Human Life when only studying sick ppl, study an Enlightened Person then go from there...

Yes it is!! I've only gone thru Inner Engineering and BSP programs so far. I thought the video and sharing was powerful since he talks about benefits in relation to Emptiness which seems to contradict one another..its thought provoking imo:)

Here Sadhguru talks about Shoonya which is Emptiness, and how no one wants to be Empty, and that everything You do is about avoiding this but thru Emptiness You Experience the Nectar of Life, very interesting the dichotomy here, especially when he says that no one will do anything unless there is a Benefit in it for them, but when there is a Benefit that is self Defeating, he explains it further in the Video but its Eye Opening, he has a way of Explaining things that no one else can...Enjoy!

@Muhammad Jawad Simple answer is You've only had a small taste of Awakening, not the whole thing yet, its not intense enough yet in your experience so that your normal tendencies and cravings are set aside. If Your very Awakened, to an intense state of experience and its sustainable, then you will have no cravings, no attachments, no addictions, your fully aware and conscious of all your actions (physical, mental, emotional, energetic) and can control them, so what you need to do is increase the intensity of Your Awakening, start some practices that do this for You..

@Cosmic-Resplendence Yes agreed! Its really simple, existence goes from Gross (duality) to Subtle(non duality), Gross is physical reality, from shit to lovely clouds in the sky, and everything in the universe in btwn, Subtle is non physicality, Brahman or Shiva (that which is not), what was there before the Big Bang, a Grand Intelligence of sorts not deluded by Memory or Conditioning. We as Human Beings have the most ability to recognize this and be Aware of it than any other life form on this planet, that is why we are here, to live in a Dualistic Material World but have the ability to live beyond this and be Aware of Oneness and Connection to everything at the sametime. We can have experience of Oneness like those that do psychedelics have, but they come down to ordinary reality consciousness as soon as it wears off, so we are Possibility and Potentiality machines in a way, so this is where Free Will comes into play, its our basic Human right to exert our Free Will, determine our inner experience naturally and explore our higher potentials/subtle aspects (oneness, completeness, bliss, clarity, enlightenment, etc) rather than just stay in our normal everyday survival mode/gross aspects where work, eat, sleep, sex/reproduction are the primary concerns...

Good Post and correct. In Oneness all possibility exist, so that means Duality has to exist somewhere, it exists here on this planet and universe, but its the Gross part of existence, Oneness is the most subtle part of Existence, so there are levels to it all, to deny Duality is to deny existence and possibility. Its strange, I watched the videos of Leo on 5 Meo-dmt and how he is God and in great sense of Bliss and Oneness, then he shared his experience of taking Salvia and it was basically the opposite affect on him, and he said he wouldn't take it again and want to experience that state again, so right there is the proof, within everyone is the realm of Possibility, you can feel like God or like the Devil, both are possible, the key is becoming conscious of Your Free Will, we can choose how to be within Ourselves, that starts us on the path, if You choose Bliss, I want to be Blissful as a base experience then that will allow more potential to be exposed to You, if You choose Misery as a base experience then less potential is exposed to You, its that simple...

The main point is if Your Ideology is that of everything is Maya, all is Illusion, nothing exists, then You won't care about anything, why would You if it is all imaginary, fantasy, video game we are all playing, and as well it is not the truth, if Your living in Untruth, nothing will work for You, no God, no Divinity, No Spiritual practice will help You with the suffering one will have believing in this... Its not a thought experiment, Existence happens from Gross (Physicality, Material, everything that you sense with 5 senses), to Subtle (think 02, you can't see it or smell it but it exist, this is just one out of millions of eg), and it goes even further, there is an intelligence within Us and all around, but most know one perceives it with clarity, if You did You would be overwhelmed with Amazement. This all comes from the Non Existent, No Thing aspect which I would say was there before the Big Bang, so material physical existence is just a level of Existence, but it for sure exists, its not imaginary, maya illusion...but we don't perceive as Amazing, or a Miracle because we take it for granted, are heavily conditioned by many factors and things, and our Awareness is not intense enough due to stagnant energy systems, bad health, poor educational systems and so forth..

Illusion or Maya does not mean "Nothing exists", it means that things exist but not as You experience them too be, salt and elements are not concepts, they are real things, but most ppl do not realize their importance, like Breathing in and out, if You miss one cycle of breathing in and out your dead, but do ppl focus on this, are they grateful of this? No for the most part ppl do not even realize they are breathing, never mind how important it is for their survival, so that is Maya, not realizing what the reality is of a situation or experience...

@VermilionFloyd I'm not a fan of "Self Inquiry", at least not as a beginners practice and such, Self Inquiry is for me is ego talking to ego, how can the mind which is not You find the You within Yourself? It will drive You crazy and further away from Truth imo..at least when one is beginning the journey, maybe later on when one has had some realizations and awakening then they can inquire within about one's self, but what is doing the inquiry and to whom are they inquiring about? Maybe You need to start some practice that bring about more energy or that are energy based, the practice of watching breath is very very basic, its there to bring about as simple awareness, but there are others that are more advanced and scientific in their approach and have nothing to do with mind and ego... This guy is very good, Forrest Knutson, he's a Kriya Yogi and has some methods that work on the energy system within the body, try some of his stuff and see what happens:) https://www.youtube.com/@ForrestKnutson

Yes Good Post! I think the key is realizing that being Human is Super (compared to wanting to be something else other than Human), we have allot of Potential and Possibility within us, and that trying to be something else (God) is foolhardy, and using psychedelics to experience something beyond our everyday experience, although can lead one to a greater realization, it still has to become a natural occurrence and not induced by the use of an outside stimulant of sorts. This is why we have a plethora of practices and Guru's/Teachers at hand, to help us get to that realization naturally and having it as an everyday experience while functioning within this body. This reason why we are not born this way is super simple, how would we be able to function and survive if we are always in a 5meo-dmt experience of Oneness and Love? Our species would have died out million years ago, so we are born with a super Intellect, that allows us to learn quickly what is dangerous and safe, healthy and unhealthy for our survival, this is a very strong instinct within Us, but today we have more tech and knowledge that enables our survival much more easily, we have enough food and resources to feed/house everyone on the planet, but we are not the most spiritually empowered or happy society ever are we? But some ppl have found a more in-depth life and inner experience, we've read and heard the stories so we get curious about it, then systems are created and methods are brought forward to hopefully get us (those that are curious about such things) to those realizations as well, its the nature of Desire that we become unbounded and totally free, which is the experience of Oneness and Love/Bliss...but its all rooted in our embodiment, we live within a body/mind complex in a dual material world, but this is not what we are, but its our housing of sorts, within we can still have an experience of Oneness that is the foundation of everything else, at the least this will stop all suffering within one's self..

Probably better to swith around the words and say that Mental is the Universe...

I've been to that Ashram in Tennessee 2 X, its pretty nice, since my last visit, they have built a Shiva Temple, and are always expanding that facilities, and they have a big hall there, its all consecrated land and buildings so a very powerful place to be if Your on the Spiritual Path. They had apartments already set up when I was there, and you can buy land space with housing on there too, so this will be a cool place to be in the near future...I hope to one day go to the main Ashram in India, some 4,000 volunteers live there, and hundreds of thousands visit everyday, the Dylanalinga is the main temple which is the reason why Sadhguru is here...