Ishanga

Intellect, what most think of the Mind, divides and separates whatever data that comes into Your Memory and tries to make sense of it for You to live another day, it works great when things are alot tougher than they are now, but when everything is at Your doorstep (think Uber conveniences and comforts that we have today that we never ever had before), and at your finger tips you have access to most all the information and entertainment you can ever want, the intellect then doesn't have to focus on surviving another day, it focuses on what You are identified with, whatever it is, nation, sex, spirituality, duality, enlightenment, god, infinity, reality, gender, race, religion, etc and it divides it, separates it, and compartmentalizes it all so its logical and linear and understandable for the avg person, but is this reality? No it isn't, because everything is connected, just think of all the actions going on to make our planet and atmosphere, and ability to live like we do possible? Its more than a trillion actions happening a second, never mind what is happening every second within Your own body, cellular level, molecular level, atomic level, just think of it, what is allowing all of this happen? Can Your mind or intellect break it down enough for you to understand it? It'll never happen, or it would take a million+yrs of living to figure it out, so this why taking about certain things other than what You have directly experienced doesn't work or make sense when You talk about, but You can experience it!

Insight into something within You that You did not have before is an Awakening, Perception of it is akin to Insight, what You did not perceive before but now You Perceive is Awakening. Enlightenment is when a defined Space between what is You and what is not You is now within Your Perception and Awareness, as much as You perceive the Sun, Wind, Rain, Pain, Pleasure that you do now. Awakening is the beginning of the process, when I read Tolle's New Earth book, I had an Insight into my Ego, it was now within my Perception, that never leaves You, I recognize the voice in my head and the constant judgements going on, mixing with certain emotions at times, making unstoppable at time or controllable at times, karma plays a role here, your tendencies which are all over Your system, within Your Body, Mind, Emotions and Energy systems, basically control You and Your behaviour, thinking and way you live Your life, and what comes into Your life via where You take it.. Awareness is like another sort of Intelligence, when You get it then Enlightenment happens, via that You feel very Blissful, even Ecstatic at times!

If You had no Ability to Remember or Imagine, would time exist for You? Think of the past as just memory because does past really exist? Same with Future, its just Imagination, does it exist now? Neither exist now, but what does exist Now? Now is the only thing that exist now, so if You had no memory/imagination then Only Now exist, problem is this sucks when You as a Human are trying to Survive and live another day, without either of those faculties the Human Race would not exist today, so think of Memory and Imagination as survival tools, when highly conscious or on drugs like shrooms and lsd, you lose that sense and that allows you to really live Now, and appreciate it...

First everybody using this sort of language, 'Triggered" Lol, I'm just responding to your post about how you have something against him, I don't care one way or the other. I just think Your being way to critical, I personally have never looked at him as being perfect, and many times I have thought why doesn't he take a break, it even may be a bit too much exposure but its not in my hands, he can do what he wants how he wants, he has free will to do that. I agree that some are into the personality of "Sadhguru", I don't think he wants this to happen but it does, so what to do about it, maybe that is why at times he talks harshly to ppl, calling them stupid or that they do stupid things, its a way to bring them down in how they view him in a way, but the methods work and work has to be done by someone. Personally I think he should go back to the ashram and take a month or two off, let things cool down...

You want to be Meditative, or at Ease all the time, as a baseline State, now if this is not happening naturally, and cannot be initiated spontaneously at Will, then something has to be done (the stress response has taken over your base state, too much thinking probably too), action or "doing" has to happen, the methods just clean the slate so that naturally You are at Ease and peace, Bliss, Health arise like the sun does every morning! Try Isha Kriya its 12 min and pretty effective, its simple and easy, if You want more try the Inner Engineering program by Isha/Sadhguru, it works wonders!

Sadhguru, far second or third Sri M, I like a guy named Forrest Knudsen a Kriya Yogi American, I like that he shared the technical aspect of it, more details shared. I like Osho too, he taks are cool, as well as David Hawkins and Tolle for reading material!

I still get that too, in today's world with the hussle and bussle, rat race, it is hard to maintain a sense of Meditativeness in everyday life, its like Your getting poked by needles all the time lol..but I find thru the practice and remembering the basics I mentioned keeps me in mostly peaceful moods, and when I do go a bit nuts like in traffic, I don't stay there very long... Here's the practice

@TheSelf Also, Isha has a great support system in place, ppl to talk with and such about practices and such, there are other in the Isha world that are quite advanced as well, besides Sadhguru, other Swami's and such that are under him, so that is there too to help those in need!

Well I think with the Inner Engineering program and the way it is set up with the Shambhavi Mahamudra, there shouldn't be any "Problems" since it s a slow and steady approach, the idea is not too have "Grand Experiences" right off the bat, you will have more pleasant experiences, I was having laughing fits after a couple of weeks for no reason, and lots of peace of mind since then... Now with him helping or not helping, I haven't experienced anything extraordinary, but from what he says he is available to You always, obviously this means he is available in a non physical way, he says he has initiated more ppl that he hasn't met than he's met, so he may be working on another plane of existence or something like that, I don't believe or disbelieve this stuff, its just what he says and that's that... I just look at his life, how he lives and I see that something massive is up with him, I can't describe it, but he's got something that most other do not so I would like a piece of that if that is okay lol:) I don't believe he is in it for the $$ or fame, or power, some of the things he does doesn''t make that stuff happen so why do it then??

Your making a big mistake making Assumptions about what Sadhguru is doing, without really investigating it, now if You can't travel I posted something for You to try, but You won't because someone else says it won't work... Does Sadhguru have businesses? Yes for sure, he's got lots of mouths to feed, hospitals to support, schools to run and programs to provide, so money has to come in, that doesn't mean the stuff doesn't work, or that what he is saying is bogus! Just try it for 3-4 mths, see what happens, open Yourself up to it (this is not about belief or brainwashing, think or investigate the technique and method of it, rather than personalities and judgements about what someone is doing that you have no idea about)!) and if You experience difference stick with it, if not drop it, its your LIfe!

Basically what Your trying to do is discredit him, for some reason you have something against him within, probably unconscious to You, it really doesn't matter, what I or You or anyone thinks, Self Love or whatever, he'll do what he wants, some will like it others not so much, then leave, in the end if he has left this place better than when he arrived then the job is done, I would say he has done that is spades! This Self Love talk and how it shows something about him, you really have to take a look at it, Self Love in my definition is Egoic, Love is about Two, are there two of you within? If there are then that is a problem...He's for sure very Loving, this is from his experience within and the Bliss he feels, its reflective in his actions... Yes yes I'm obsesssed with him and this or that in my mind, there is a reason for this, he makes tremendous sense and his methods work, that's it..,

As he says in public video's and in person (I've attended 3 programs with Sadhguru, 3 to 4 days for each one), Its just You and Him, plus if You can stop identifying with Space and Time, its available anywhere all the time, so its not "watered down" or less than any other method lol...I've researched other kriya methods, when I watched or read what they did it all related to shambhavi mahamudra and such, plus there are other programs/practices that Isha offers that are after one learns Shambhavi, so in my experience Shambhavi is very effective and powerful, you will feel its effects soon after you start practicing, and with the other tools offered in Isha's Inner Engineering program, one is on their way,,I will say its not a fast track, but its slow and steady so that one does not fall backwards at anytime!

Start off here, watch this video with Sadhguru, he explains it all on how to get started, you can go thru it all online, he is available to anyone that is willing, that is the important part, if Your Willing, it is available to You!

Like someone said before, with Real Kriya Yoga, the Guru initiates via transmission, he is the fire, you are the spark from the fire and want to become fire yourself, without the Guru's fire you don't exist on that level, so in the old days there was not much talking and convincing like there is today, this is because ppl were not as intellectual, they were too busy surviving and working to stay alive, so they were more grounded, and the Guru could easily transmit Spiritual Knowing to them, so in Kriya it is like this, Learning from a Book or video is not good, dangerous actually! and Switching methods is not good either, find a Guru then stick to that method for a long period of time, see what happens!

From my research everything started as a Spiritual Practice or path of sorts, then it got organized and become more about Belief than One's personal Experience, then with Organization and Belief as the standard things get political and Religion is born. Now some may say that the larger Spiritual Org's look exactly the same, in some ways they are, but those places maybe more about popularity and bringing in more $$ than Spirituality in its truest form... With practices and yoga and such, in my experience it not about faith, I don't have faith in the practices, I just use them and see what happens, of course for all of this too happen I have to have an Interest and motivation, this is similar to learning good Martial Arts, if you look from the outside it all looks like crap and useless, but when You go indepth with it, and learn from a qualified master then practice it, it works like magic, its the same with High Quality Sadhana and Yoga methods, this is not the same as rituals where the ppl just go in, do something with no mindfulness or intention and then leave the place/ritual and no transformation is taking place, its like ppl driving to work on the same route everyday they lose focus and awareness of what is going on around them...

This idea that there is a "Caring" God up there somewhere, that You can have a Personal Relationship, is a solace for ppl, its make ppl feel wanted and protected but its not a solution! It boggles my mind how so many millions of ppl believe in this crap, just goes to show the general consciousness level of the planet, very low.. Using the word God is the wrong word to be using, its got too many insinuations, and beliefs attached to it, better to use word like Intelligence or Brahman, or Shiva (which means "That which is Not") and that we are basically this, in human form, spiritual beings having a Human Experience per say, and we can be intouch with this (if You are Your In Bliss, which looks like Love to everyone else) if we strive for it, some have to strive harder than others, depends on their Karmic makeup!

Just Inquire about this, Why do we always ask WHY? If You were Blissed Out, would You ask Why this or why that? So find out where the question is coming from! Mostly in today's world I would say its coming from our over active Intellects and Addiction to it, we are way too identified with our intellect, which in basic form is a survival tool, we are given an intellect at birth it just has to be feed data to function, if we didn't have it and since we are so weak physically compared to other life forms, we would have died off long long ago..As well our wanting to know comes from our most fundamental Desire which is to expand endlessly, be Boundless and totally Free, its just we are using the wrong tools to get to that point! Now Intellect has to divide and separate to figure things out, it dissects, now think of the person You love the most, would you know all about them by dissecting them? No, probably not, so this inquiry in this form via Intellect will only get us further away from what is Truth or Reality. Now if You Include everything as a part of Yourself, then You will know, the one You love the most, you Love them, feel Love for them because You have Included them as a part of Yourself, now You experience Knowing of them and a sense of Oneness, so this happens when another form of Intelligence arises within Us, Awareness, via Awareness our natural Intelligence, which is the same Intelligence that created everything arises within Us, and we feel Oneness and Knowing, connection with Everything, this is the idea behind Enlightenment!

Also he is bring up this fallacy about "Flaws" how we are all flawed and this and that, this comes from a higher up conceptualization or conclusion of Perfection, so there is a judgement going on here. One can say nature and creation and what was there before creation is Perfect, then we have us as human beings and what is going on around here on Earth, is this perfect? No it is not, ppl suffering is not perfect or is it? So again there is a paradox here, and basically if one goes down this rabbit hole of intellectualization they will get stuck in a loop for sure, you can't figure it out and why would You! Just realize that there is a life beyond survival, eating, sleeping, reproducing, working then dying, and that potential is within Us, its a matter of Realization, it starts with establishing yourself in a stable emotional and energetic balance, then going on from there, but the choice is within Us, we can stay in survival mode or go beyond it, that is it...Sadhguru is here to help us with this Choice and Realization if we choose to go in that direction!

Wow that's crazy! Never heard of this phenomenon, a real mind bender, coming back to a sort of reality after an experience like that, how it changes someone, just crazy!

Well saidf! Yes, there's lots of things I imagine going on in his life behind the scene's which few know about, why publicize it and create drama, it takes away from what his plans are, so he goes on, coitizing it and his work ethic and commitment is so strange too me, doesn't make sense and comes from a egoic place imo!

Maybe this has something to do with recalling past lives and such things, this reminds of that Star Trek episode where they find a beacon of sorts in space and engage it then Picard is KO'd and lives another life of sorts, strange indeed to go thru something like that!

You said "If Your just LOOKING for happiness and health go into Yoga" and that happiness/health seeking is shallow, so to me that means Yoga is shallow, so maybe you should edit your post and be more clear about what you want to relate to others to avoid misunderstandings:)

You need the base of being Naturally Happy and Healthy to go beyond it, if those things are issues for someone, the higher realms of Consciousness are not accessible for them, its that simple, so establish Happiness/Health first, that is for all aspects of what You are, Body, Mind, Emotions, Energy then go beyond it, in this way drugs won't be needed to have those Oneness/God/Completeness experiences!

No Kriya Yoga is about Internal Actions, not the mind or body which are external in a way, so Kriya is about the internal energy system and making it vibrant and very alive and active within You, Chakras are cleared up and opened so the Energy can flow in the proper directions, think of the rising of the energy in the Chakras to different Life intensities, when the energy is stopped in the lowest Chakra your life is mostly about Eating and Sleeping, but when it rises up your life takes on different dimensions of experience, action and intentions, so that is what Kriya is about, no Belief at all is involved! https://isha.sadhguru.org/en/wisdom/article/kriya-yoga