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Yes but I do not know if its a specific group of ppl or organizations, I think it is just a system of oppression and dumbing down of society in general that has been going on for a very long time and now is just the normal ways of doing things (eg politicians lying obsessively to keep their position of power and prestige) , this keep the masses down and makes us cogs in wheels to keep the industry running and the elite getting more money and power, but I don't think it is centralized or anything like that.. We as a general society are very sick and basically insane, but when the majority is like this then it appears as normal. We've created so many different ways of Suffering, not just for Humans but for the whole planet, it quite obvious that this is a manufactured thing and not just totally a natural progression over the millions of years of evolution..

This again references different Levels of Reality and Understanding/Perception and Awareness.. On the Absolute or God Level there is only that, within that contains All Possibility, but no individuality is there directly, but Potential is there within Absolute/God level, but when You filter it down to our level here on Earth, there is many "form" of Life (Life=God/Absolute), with Life being the basic foundation of it all, but thru manifestation/creation many "Form" arise from this foundation, so on this level there is no Solipsism, but lots of diversity of Life and forms, for us as Humans we have exclusive subjective Experience, all Experience is within one place, within You, but You can Experience Everything as a Part of Yourself, that give You a God/Absolute Experience, but that is Subjective, Objectively on this level there are many, in the God/Absolute level there is only ONE!

Its Better to Have Clarity in Life than Positive/Negative Thinking or Feelings, with the later Your too susceptible to emotional ups and downs, its like walking around in a circle thinking Your getting somewhere.. Clarity gives You Ease, Ease is not about having an "Easy" Life, its about avoiding hurdles that have already been dealt with over time, many ppl are stressing out about situations that have been around for a very long time and have been dealt with in empowering ways, but ppl still stress out which puts one in a negative emotional pattern and they become less Empowered over all.. The common thinking is that overcoming Challenges and Problems builds up some sort of wisdom and toughness, but as we can see in our society, there is too much of this going on, at every corner ppl are facing too many challenges, where I live in Toronto, ppl have tough days at work then they have to get home thru the chaos of a transportation system that is not very good, and hiway/road system that is so busy there is always delays and traffic jams, so at every corner ppl are getting stressed out this is no good overall. With Clarity, one can avoid stress and challenges, come to a point in Life where the basics of Life are taken care of with Ease, then they can pursue higher purposes in Life and live up to our natural Potential...

Leo is on to something on a Deeper level.. Meaning is way more than words can express via explanations of sorts, someone can give meaning to something You may think is a piece of shit, so its all Subjective for sure, it is just many ppl may think the same as You, so one may look at this scenerio and believe that if many ppl think this one thing/act has Meaning that it must be so, this is sheep mentality, many ppl think a certain team winning a certain game or series has Meaning when in reality it is not, they have just given it meaning because they are Lacking inside, just really look at it, ppl are so into certain sports teams and events that if their team of choice wins they absolutely freak out like they've won the 100million $$ lottery or something, I could never understand this...This is just one example, there are many like this, Sheep mentality and understanding.. Meaning in regards to something or someone just means that there is an very High Intensity Feeling towards it in your Subjective Experience, I used to have very high Intensity Feelings towards Xmas morning, I couldn't wait till Xmas morning, opening presents (most of which I already knew I was going to get), playing with them for endless hrs right afterwards, it was rewarding as Hell, then I grew up and the focus shifted to other things I gave my Intense focus too, it should shift over the span of a lifetime, to eventually becoming Intense about Why am I here, What is this all about, What is the Purpose of it All, these sorts of Intense Questions cause one to Seek Answers, first from outside of themselves, then hopefully from Within themselves as this is the only place You will find the True Answers to these questions..

Stillness Sadhana || How to be intense and Relaxed || SADHGURU AND SADHANA Sadhguru explains the significance of stillness in detail and shares a very powerful practice to be in absolute stillness at the same time to be phenomenally dynamic..

@Javfly33 The only problem I have with what You said is the use of the terms imagination and Dream, otherwise it sounds good.. But the question of "Why Creation", why is there this sort of Reality, how is entanglement on our part or God's part possible. I think it is all part of an Possibility Equation, if God is All, All=Possibility then that leads to Us being here as we are, with ingrained ability to have an Ego which causes us to have a sense of Individuality and Fear, Separation from God, which is needed, otherwise without this ability no Experience is Possible hence no reality here as we normally know it...

Desire is Synonymous with Life, you wanting no Desire is just One Big Desire, once You come here as Life form, especially as a Human, You cannot deny Desire, try it and then really look at it, in the end its a Desire. You want to be More than what You are right now, no difference if You go to the Bar, the Church, the Ashram or the Psychedelic store and go for a trip, all of You/Us want to be more than what we are right now, that is Desire, and its given to us as a pre Instinct before the Survival Instinct, it is just that it doesn't come to our Awareness until Survival is taken care of, no other life form on this planet has this within them.. You are right, you cannot serve two masters, if You serve the Survival Master, Accumulating more of everything, food, sex, drugs, knowledge, expression, experience, money, power, whatever You currency is, then You will stay a little Human, to become a Big Human then You have to go the way of Desire to its ultimate conclusion, that is to go beyond Your Body and Mind complexes, and expand endlessly.. There are a Million ways to do this, but this is the Ultimate goal for Us, anything less than this is a life not living up to its Potential...

The present Moment is all that exists, not as a thought or intellectual thinking process, because thought and thinking are mind based and mind is past/future memory/imagination focused, so when You are out of Your Mind, then all there is is NOW, and all Life is really only NOW.. If You were to travel back in time to Your High School grad or any other event, it would happen only in this present moment, same if You go into the future...We are so Mind based we cannot realize it, so the solution is too drop all thoughts of knowing and identification, then its right there...

The Absolute provides only two things, Potential and Possibility, the Human here on this planet is most enabled to Act on this Potential and Possibility, the Absolute has no "perspective" because it has no Individuality or ability to have perspective, that is given to us as Human Beings, again this is why we are here, to work this out.. Absolute, Life, God, Brahman, is all about Oneness, which is about ALL, ALL includes everything, everything includes Possibility and Potential, so that is why we exist, why duality/karma exists, physicality exist, expression and experience exist, if those things don't exist, no perspective is possible, therefore the Absolute has no perspective, it only offers us Potential and Possibility..

I still think this sort of Teaching is what I call Top Level Down, its coming from the POV of the Absolute, its ppl that have reached such a high level of Conscious Awareness or Enlightenment, that all they see or perceive and experience is "God" or Absolute Life everywhere, and in the end this is a Great Way to Experience Life, but on other levels this is not so good, the idea that Nothing is wrong, that everything is right the way it is, is not so, suffering is not the way things should be, suffering is no good for Human Life to be Empowered or progress to what Robert is alluding too, so when Suffering is present then something has to be done, or the suffering will continue.. So what is the point of it all, I think the point of it all is what I have been preaching here for the last little bit, that we as Humans have to go within Ourselves and find our highest possiblity and potential, its what Robert is talking about, and that takes Striving and Seeking, its not given to us, and until that happens, shit will happen in the world that is no so good, and things are getting worse by the day, so that is the path, we have to make things better by each us looking within and finding what Robert is talking about, that is what the Spiritual Path is about, its not about letting things be as they are and letting suffering to continue which is what will happen if nothing is done about it..

The problem with using the word "Good" is that in many cases it is relative as to what is "Good", for Vladimir Putin taking Ukraine under his absolute control is good, but for Ukrainians that happening is Bad, so in that sense it is relative, but on another level You are right, God or Life, is all about Harmony and Balance and Giving, it is just as Humans we have individuality and independent minds and thoughts and such, so that is the whole point of Humans being here, we have Free Will, an ability to be Highly Aware and Conscious and we are very complex Beings and Pieces of Life, without Consciousness we are just like every other life, focused on basic survival and accumulation and fulfilment of our needs and wants, but we can go and live way beyond this, whereas most all the other life form cannot, so that is what makes us unique and the peak of evolution on this planet, that is if we are highly Aware and Conscious, most ppl are not imo...

Drop a Brick on your foot, see how real it is...Experience is real, the body is real, the mind is real, it is just that it is not what we think it is, that is Maya, Maya does not mean things do not exist, things exist, just not as we perceive it too be at moments in time... With communication as we are doing it here, this is all conceptual, but my Mother was real, maybe I was viewing/perceiving her thru filtered senses, but she was real as was Yours, and so forth, Real is relative and subjective, your truth is real to You, but a story to me, it is something along those lines... This idea that there is only You, and the rest of Us are "Imaginary dreams" is bullocks, I'm as real as You, and so is everyone else, we live on a Dual world, and are given Free Will we just have to find it and use it and come to realize our Truest Potential...

The time of physical death and the time one gets a new body can be immediate or it can take 500yrs, there is no time in that realm, as if You had no body or mind, how would you feel any sort of time lapse?

No, Actually just study the 5 sheaths theory, it explains it all as to how the body and other dimensions of us are formed, what keeps it all together like a glue is the karmic substance that each of us has, each new life has a certain amount of Karma called prarabdha, this is the Karma that You have to work out within this lifetime, the whole slot of karma is called Sanchita karma.. Remember Karma means the residual result of all the action (body, mind, emotional and energy action) you have accumulated over the various lifetimes you have gone thru (Could be hundreds, thousands or millions, as a human, plant, insect, any life form), this creates the conditioning and tendencies you have that make you unique to everyone else, as well it creates allot of Bondage and keeps You stuck...The karma is what keeps the 5 Sheaths together, all the sheaths cover from what I understand Your bubble of Life, or God, or Absolute that all of us have are fundamentally are, but the Karma is what allows creation, duality and individuality for a human being to happen...

Everything here written, all the posts and threads are conceptual, nothing here is really truth or real, we are all just talking around in circles and not about Real Truthful things, that is the only truth here...

How Shiva Mastered Death | #ShivaLivingDeath Sadhguru explains one aspect of being a yogi, and gives us a process to become a mrityunjaya, a deathless being. He talks about how we are given practice for death when we go into deep sleep every night, most of us are asleep totally, but you can become aware enough that one part of You is always awake, and he talks about there is only Life and More Life, its a dimensional shift, when the body is dropped at Enlightenment a shift in dimensions happens, for some they loose all individuality and merge with the Absolute/God/Brahman, that's it for them, others merge to other sorts of dimensions, and others still choose to come back for more work on this plane, all of it is Life, or what I would label as Possibility, all of it is there, don't pigeon hole Yourselves into "Its only this way and that's it" because then You have created a belief system or conclusion which is not Absolute, rather that is just Human notions using logic and intellect to try to understand and comprehend ...

How Shiva Mastered Death | #ShivaLivingDeath Ep 5 Sadhguru explains one aspect of being a yogi, and gives us a process to become a mrityunjaya, a deathless being.

Yup totally,,, I personally think that the way our society and cultures are set up was designed for this very purpose, to distract us from what our True nature and identity is, and too keep us down and slave like, what I see going on in the world, even in my local community is insane ways of living, and we live in a paradise essentially, everything is provided, other than heavy traffic delays and density of population, everything is good here, but its chaos and suffering everywhere, ppl going crazy on a daily basis shooting ppl, accidents happening, crazy situatons happening steady, just nuts all over the place, so its hard to do in that sort of way in this world we live in, running away to an Ashram is a nice idea right now lol...,

Agreed, not many can do this all at once, so there are steps, systems developed to make this happen over time, the 8 limb yoga system is just what this is, its set up to deal with all of this so the path is done with as little strain and stress as possible, for others it come easy for them, this is dependent on ones karmic substance and make up..

Yes I would agree as far as I can tell, the body and energy system have to be set up properly, random Kundalini awakenings for ppl not prepared is dangerous and causes allot of pain for them, their nervous system is burned up, I think it is rare for most ppl if it happens that they really get Enlighened that they drop the body, the masters like SAdhguru have mastery over it, they either create their own karma consciously or know the tricks of the body and mind/energy systems. When he consecrated the Dylanalinga he almost died, he energy body was pretty well destroyed, he need the aid of others to stay on as he has been,,, At the Ashram in India, the Brahmacharya are held back from what I understand from getting to the point of leaving their bodies, he wants them around on the planet to do work and to balance things out karmically...

Yes I understand logically what You are saying, this is the fastest way, but its not the only way because still someone has to realize it, can one realize it as You say above? If not then what, if they are reading this but still feeling like shit inside everyday, then what? Then doing is required, so again this is all a play on different levels, in Absolute level there is exactly as You write above, no doing, no doer just energy or whatever as it appears... but something has to realize it, if You are in realization of it and I am not then what does it mean? For me it means there is a sense of Individuality at a certain level, maybe this is a mistake on my part in the whole process but its a process until one realize it for themselves, Its no different than when someone says Suffering is a part of this process or a part of Life, that may be so up to a point, and that point is when one is experiencing beyond Suffering then it is no longer needed, the whole path or whatever this is is like this, we all want to I think get to that point of non doing, just beingness and realizing this. If there were no others then what is Leo doing posting vids and creating this forum, if no others exist on some level of Absolute?

This is not a personal judgement on You just saying:) I think ppl are attracted to Your Posts and Non Duality/Absolutist sort of Spirituality is because it doesn't require any work or responsibility on the persons part, which in the end means No Doing is required, its like a lazy mans way to Realization, but there are drawbacks and consequences to it all as there is with anything..Its great to think and understand that "I" does not exist, that nothing has to be done and things are just as they are, lol. Personally I don't understand it or Realize it to be this way but to each their own, the Karma will work its way out regardless:) The other side of Spirituality, like Yoga and Buddhism require Work and Responsibility to make Realization Happen, which some may not be willing to do, that is why there are all sorts of ways to perceive it, view it, understand it and so forth...Karma means "My Life is My making", for me there is Me, Myself and I, but in my experience it is possible to include all others within that Me, Myself and I situation Experientially,, Body and Mind wise there are individual entities existing, but we are not the Body or Mind right:)

Actually the opposite is true, any sort of "Negative" emotion or experience like Depression, Anxiety, Anger, Bitterness, Frustration etc, releases toxic and disempowering chemistry into the body, this weakens Your Body and makes You less enabled, that is why the majority of the population is using meds and living with toxic bodies and minds, they are under constant self created Stress Responses that are releasing Cortisol and other chems that are not healthy for us, but if one is not in constant fight or flight mode, Peace is the natural experience positive life empowering chems are released, serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin, endorphins, etc,, this allows one to have clarity and health as a natural occurrence, with this a Stable Emotional and Mental, Physical baseline is established so the Energy system can ramp up and further possibility and potential in that person can be Realized...

If this is true, what determines how one is feeling, Bliss or Misery, are we just Sailboats in the wind, going by where the wind wants us to go, or are we able to invent a "rudder" and learn to use the power of the wind to direct us where we want to go?? Before my Mom died she suffered Depression, as many ppl do nowadays, it was a constant thing, so i realized then and there that if ppl can feel depressed on a consistent daily basis, they can as well feel Bliss or Happiness on a daily basis, its just with Bliss its more life empowering than depression... If Misery is possible in the Absolute, then Bliss is possible, why are these possibilities available to us, for us to just let it all happen as Absolutes Will or are we able to do that ourselves, all is Possible in the Absolute, the only thing is can we determine how we experience Life, imo Yes we can that is why we are here, its the same argument back and forth.. Ppl label You an Absolutist, or Non Dualist for this reason, that is what is means to be those labels, and its half correct.. Analysing Your posts, which is what happens when we read what others write and make a judgement, I would say Your in a stage of Absolute Acceptance of What is, Sadhguru call this "This moment is Inevitable", nothing can be done about it to change what already is, other than Accepting or not Accepting, with Acceptance Your more available to the possibility of the next moment, with non Acceptance You are not available to it, your trapped and enslaved by the past, that is all. With this its not an intellectual formula to try to figure out, Acceptance has to be natural, as a Realization that Existence as it is right Now (where Life is found!) is just as it is, stressing over it makes things worse...This is one of the steps to realizing that as Human Beings we have Free Will, that is another reason why we are here to work this out in everyday life and live to our highest possibility... Yes these are just words, makes no difference one way or another, but sometimes words do make change or at the least are the start of change...

For me I like to talk Spirituality, since my Wife is not into this stuff, and its a bit entertaining most of the time, lol, sometimes its a irritant too.. I've watched so many videos on Spirituality, lots of Everyone that is out there, especially Sadhguru too, since he is my Guru, but I don't watch much of his stuff anymore, sometimes I will review his Inner Engineering video's for refresher stuff, but I haven't been doing the practices of late since my work burns me out mentally as well as the city I live in sort of drains me in a way, I feel and see the chaos here, and its draining, we could be doing things so much better, but its getting worse imo... I would luv nothing more than too just be physically free of this rat race and to enjoy life, food, nature walks, travel and such and to spend more time with Wifey, but we're too busy at times to do that until vacation time comes...But when I deal with ppl, and I do at my job, I'm naturally good natured with them, patient for the most part and kind, I want all of Us to live better more empowered and Aware Lives in the end, it benefits all of Us if that happens...