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Glad we can agree on something:)

@Rafael Thundercat They say some 20-30% or even more of the population is dealing with Mental Health issues, I was thinking about this awhile ago, in Canada there are about 40million ppl, if 25% of the population has mental health problems, that's 10mil ppl, there are not near that # of therapist or counsellors to help, so its gone out of control imo, I wish it wasn't this way... I think we have to offer ppl programs that are not about Enlightenment, Absolute and such grand things, but just basic stuff, how to be Healthy, How to be Happy, How to Think Right, Eat Right, Breath Right, Sit Right, stuff like this should be taught in schools from day 1, the other stuff like math and geography means nothing if Your mental health is rotten, so there are ways to deal with it for the next generations, this gen will have to suffer thru it and deal with the consequences of it Unfortunately! @An young being Yes Agreed, that is why for me I keep telling these Absolutist, Non Dualist types and they know who they are, that there are levels and progressions to everything, Living and Promoting the Absolute or Solipsism as the only way or thing existing is rubbish, tell that too the Parents that just lost their child to Cancer, the Solipsist will say its all Imagination and will fluff it off and say bla bla bla, but its a reality for those Parents, so we have to Start from where we are At, not where the End Goal/Destination is, this is Compassion and Realization of what is the Reality, as it encompasses it all, not just one aspect of it... My Nephew died by Suicide in 2006. it devastated our Family, he was only 27, had tons of friends and family and potential, but mental health was very poor, addiction too, it runs in the family, but its a Cultural problem too, we don't teach our kids how to live and just Be Fulfilled naturally, it was Sad...

Yes he has very informative posts, its like reading a book lol, one of his posts referred to another teacher, Daniel Brown, I researched him, very cool material, very detailed system of how to get Enlightened, more inline with what I am drawn too compared to non dual teachings and such which promote no such methods...

What it is is that he is reading their Karma, I think it is in their Energy field and he's a master of the Energies and such, but in his autobiographic book there is given examples of his siddhi abilities, especially when he was consecrating the Dylanalinga.. Here Sadhguru talks about when he met another Enlightened Being in a Market, they just ran into one another and he recognized him for what he was, cool story!

We Don't need anymore teachers and ppl that explain things, there's too much of that already, it creates mass confusion as when ppl doing become curious about Spirituality and want information there's too much conflicting info out there, everyone is trying to be unique and promote but it creates chaos.. We need less teachers, as the info is already out there, the methods needed to awaken are already available to the mass variety of ppl and personalities that are on the planet, for every unique human being there already is a way to Wake Up, and these methods/teachings have been around for millennia.. What we do need more of is what I said before, be the Awakened One, Live it Live today in real time, people will notice it and may become curious about those sorts of ppl, how they respond to life, how they are within themselves, how they empower all life around them rather than sucking the life out of life around them, that is what we need more of in this world, not more Teachers...

I agree, most ppl today are just living at various levels of Survival or Accumulating more of whatever their currency is, be it more Ppl in their lives, Experiences, Power, Money, Success, on and on, if You want more of it, then Your still in Survival Awareness because Your searching outside for Inner Fulfilment or Completeness of sorts, most ppl are on this path, and are Unaware that there is another way to Live.. Rather than trying to convince anyone of anything, we've all tried I bet lol, just be the Example, Be the Light, the Awareness, the Bliss, the Completeness, the Spirit, then ppl will notice as they won't be able to miss It!

I agree for the most part, other than use of the word "Believe", I think its dangerous to use believe as a force of sorts to make change.. As a Human our basic force or capability is having access to Free Will, or our using our Ability to Respond, this mostly applies to how we are within ourselves, then it can also apply to how we respond to what is happening outside, situationally.. Sadhguru talks about this allot, its an aspect of his Inner Engineering course, Responsibility is related to our ability to Accept what Is, that This moment is Inevitable, for me I interpret all of this as a system of How to be Stress Free, the Stress Response is rampant in our society, most everyone is under its spell, and it majorly messes us up, it makes us unavailable to where Life is found, in the present Moment or NOW, because of that a ripple effect is happening, ppl are not living near their Potential and Possibility and because of that there is Tragedy everywhere... This is a great video, Sadhguru is asked how one can be held Responsible for an act done against them (like Rape or Abuse), its a priceless answer and woke me up tremendously!

I would say all of this, the "figuring" part anyways comes from our addiction to our Intellect, which is a sort of calculating sort of intelligence, which is Survival based, its trying to help us live another day in a better way than yesterday, Better in this context is subjective in experience, the homeless person on the street has a different subjective experience of Better than the Millionaire in the high rise condo.. There is another form of Intelligence that we as Humans have access to, I like to say that Awareness is that Intelligence, it is not memory based, its what is going on now within Your Perception Based, as well it is sort of Based on how You are within Yourself, if Your Depressed within Yourself, then Your Perception of things will be based off of this, when Blissed Out this changes it too, so when one is in a high level of Awareness, they are accessing an Intelligence that is not logic or intellect based, this leads on to higher Potentials of Understanding and Perception and Knowing in Life..

In certain schools of yoga, they classify yogis into three categories. Mandha, Madhyama, and Uttama. Mandha - One has tasted what it means to be conscious but is not able to sustain the experience without reminders. Madhyama - One is experiencing the inner dimensions but unable to manage the outer reality of the world. Uttama - One is perfectly in tune with the inner and outer world.

Referring to an outside source means You don't know..which is okay, You and most all of Us do not know, this causes seeking to Know, which kills belief systems and conditioning that You already have and ignites Your Intelligence and other capabilities to seek to Know, its like turning on the lights in a dark room, most ppl are living in dark rooms spiritually and perception wise... but You have to find out, I have to find out for ourselves, to seek to know,,not using others and what they say, his truth is only a Story for everyone listening, it can only inspire...Inspire one to do what? Too seek that is all.. Your Statement "Enlightenment is only the Beginning" is coming from not knowing Enlightenment...

Thought does not create Desire, a Baby has no Thought, but it has Desire, Your Lungs have no Thought, but it has a Desire, same with all parts of a Human or any Life form, they all have a basic type of Desire running thru them, give me an example I will show You where the Desire is, its everywhere on most every level, other than the Absolute, which contains all Potential and Possibility, only via Desire does any of that Potential and Possibility come to Fruition, that is why we are here on some level of Existence to play with it in our Limited material Dual Way. It seems many Non Dualists, and such, Absolutist and Denialist I would label them, only looking at the most Subtle aspects of Life alone, ignoring the other parts, You will deny that You are doing this but all Your post are About This, so unless there is deception, then I would say this is not Perceiving or Understanding the WHOLE picture, which is what Enlightenment is About, Perceiving Reality as it is, from its Grossest to most Subtle realms, while here in our Embodied forms..

But there is a subtle difference, yes in basic terms they are the same, if Your only looking at basics, Your not being very nuanced, Your too basic in your Spiritual outlook I would say.,..

Why don't You feel Blessed to have Son, Wife and Mom? Why suffer that You have them here? Your suffering the future that does not exist, the What If, the imagination gone out of control, so that means Your entangled and attached, if you lose them its over for You, that is not the highest possibility for Us.. If one loses someone they should feel Blessed to have had them in their life for whatever amount of time, but very few ppl do this or or capable of it, because of entanglement and attachment.. The Enlightened One is beyond this, yes they will feel the emotional pain of losing a loved one, but it doesn't destroy them via a Suffering of sorts..

Now with this Your playing Intellectual Games of What If, why do You have to Surrender anything? You can Play the Game of it, enjoy it, Love the family and such, no problem with it, isn't that what we want for each of Us, but many ppl Suffer it too, they have the family and they still suffer the loss of the family when there is no loss in the first place, its imagination of what if's coming up, if this case that person is not Enlightened...

You only say that because Your too Touched by Life, as most of Us here are. Being Touched by Life is the same as saying One has Entanglements, Attachments, Ruled by Duality and Slaves to outside situations... Being Untouched by Life means You still have Feelings, You still have Love, Friends and Family that You care deeply about, Desires and Plans, Goals and all the rest, but it doesn't Rule You, You don't Suffer it, You still Feel Pain as an Enlightened Being, but You don't Suffer it, Suffering Comes from Ego mostly, bruised Ego and What about Me always is Involved with Suffering... Enlightenment is not the Beginning but its not the End, its just what is says it is, To Enlighten One's Perception and Awareness of Truth, that's all it is...via that you mostly feel Blissed Out, but even when Blissed Out, a Stubbed Toe still hurts!

Innate within Us while here in "Embodied" Form (we are Life/God/Absolute but in a limited form of Embodiment) is the Desiring Process, this Desiring process allows Us as Humans to be unique in this world of Life Forms we have here on Earth, no other Life form has a Desiring Process as Strong and Complex as we do.. This Desiring Process can play out in Billions of ways, most ppl keep it at the Level of Accumulating More and more Ppl, places and things, this is on the Level of Survival and Stimulating the 5 senses, but if You go further on this process it transcends the 5 sense Level and goes to Your Energies and beyond, where You know You are not the Body or Mind, but are here to Play a Games of Sorts, a Game of Duality, Knowing and Not Knowing, Gaining and Losing, and Experiencing, Dreaming, Imagining and Dealing with Time and Mortality, all of which does not happen in the Absolute Realm or view point, so one cannot bypass this Desiring Process, no matter what You do or think and believe or philosophize, Desiring is Happen.. So all gaining, Material or Otherwise is Spiritual in that it is Desire, whether You are buying a car or accumulating more Money, Power, Knowledge, Spiritual Sense and Knowing, is Desire playing its way out in limited forms, only when You are naturally Blissful does it sort of end, it completely ends when You are Disembodied and no longer Individual in any form or way, you merge back into the Absolute, like a drop of the Ocean going back into the Ocean..

Enlightenment is when You go Thru Life Untouched, by that it means You are totally Involved with Everything Around You, Family, Friends, Nature, the Planet and Universe, and even with Your Ego/Personality, but none of it Touches You, You can drop it in a second, and be fine with it, Emotions will rise, but what YOU are is not the Emotion or the Body or Mind, You "HAVE" Emotions, Body and Mind to use while here.. That is Enlightenment!!

The Models are just the Intellect Dissecting and trying to Understand it, labels, models, theories, philosophies, writings, blogs, posts on forums, mean nothing is Your inner Experience is low and full of suffering, anxiety, depression etc... I can't tell You how many times I've read somethings on this forum, and from the ppl that post them, thinking oh this person may be on too something, they seem like their on their way to some transformation and perception of higher possibilities, then they post how they are addicted to this that or the other thing, they need advice on nerves, anxiousness, social situations, things of this nature that someone with high levels of Awareness and Experience would never have, boggles my mind...

@Shodburrito Well Said.. People that say "I am the Only One that Exists" are only saying and experiencing it this way because they have Huge Ego, its very satisfying, and even a bit Fulfilling to experience Life this way, "Hey I'm the Only thing that exists, I am making all this Up and Its Fantastic, Horrible, Grand, Complex, bla bla bla", they get off on it, but its puts them further away from what the Truth Is, they just don't realize it...

Thanks! A useful Sadhana or Spiritual Practice is that throughout the Day, no matter what You are doing, working or relaxing, observe Your Mind and Ego, how it is always Judging and Making Conclusions, I do this all the time, I watch it label this or that person walking by, cursing the person cutting me off in traffic, little things like this that happen a thousand times a day, after awhile a space is created btwn You and this Ego/Mind complex and that is Empowering, its like turning down the volume on music or sound you don't want to hear anymore, it gives You a sense of Freedom from the Monkey Mind...

Physical Life for sure involves allot of Pain, Suffering is optional, as Suffering is mostly of the Mind, of Resistance and of Identification.. Pain of the Body for sure will happen, as I've gotten older, although I've never really had a major accident, because of my physical activities I have minor pain almost everyday, hip flexors get tight. and lower back issues, but I stretch everyday and do maintenance of it everyday and watch my activity closely, but there is pain at times, I've gotten use to it. We should use it as a Spiritual Practice, Spiritual meaning that aspect of You that is Non Physical in Nature, if You can have a Space btwn what is You and What is Not You, then the Pain will not cause Suffering, there is a difference btwn the Two...

Ok so Now we have You on Record saying "Yes the dream seems real but for a discussion like this, I was just pointing to the ultimate", for me this statement means there are levels, or dimensions to it, there is the "Ultimate" or "Absolute" or "God" then there is something else, many around here like to call it a "Dream or Imaginary", I don't think those words fit what is really going on, as in reality dreams seem pretty real and so is imagination, the brain does not know the difference btwn what is vividly imagined (Or dreamed up) and real, real and imaginary are very subjective, but the point I am trying to make it that there are levels to Reality, there is Absolute and then there is something below or other than Absolute.. Its easy to say when we are comfortable and sitting behind screens that being kidnapped by a cartel just is what it is, but if it happened to You the experience of it would be very very REAL, same with any other situation, someone losing a child, winning the lottery or having a baby and so forth, its all REAl on this level of Existence, maybe not on the Absolute level since there is no Individuality or way to have an Experience from my limited understanding of it, here on Earth we have Individuality present, duality is present, karma is here, not there...and you need those things to have Experience, knowing, not knowing and all the shit that is possible...

Those are two ways for sure, dis identifying is also a way, dropping all Your conscious/unconscious beliefs, living in the NOW, Accepting all that is as it Is, learning how to Breath right, Sit right, Think right, Eat right, many ways to do it, getting Yourself to a place of natural Peace or Bliss, this gives You great Clarity, when Your looking outside of Yourself for Fulfilment, that makes You Blind I think...

Purpose doesn't come from Absolute/God, the only thing that comes from that is Potential/Possibility, we are here to work out this thing we call "Purpose" which comes from out Intellect and Mind creating so many complexities to everything. Purpose can be wonderful and horrible, we have many examples in the world of ppl with a sense of Purpose doing wonderful and horrible things/actions, and its still going on today, so there are somethings that have to be worked out before one comes to a point of having a "Purpose", because we as Humans have allot of Power available to Us today, compared to yester years, in our own individual lives and our lives as a whole.. Yes, Eventually after one has acquired and the need to be more has been done via the Physical, the person should Transcend to the Mental, then Energetic and then Non Physical aspect of Who They Are in this regard I would say. Many Ppl have gotten stupidly rich, so much so that they can't spend it all, and in their trying to spend it they realize their Happiness and Desire is not settled by the spending, then they go for Power and Control, the same happens there too, they Try Drugs and it probably destroys their lives, so as we age we naturally lose certain things, this is there for Us to realize that Life is not Found in "Things" or Achievements, Accolades. Success and even in Friends and Family, when one gets to this point its natures way of making Us more Spiritually Minded and Aware, it should awaken our Desire to Seek the Answers, this is why we have the Eastern Spiritual Systems of Yoga, Buddhism, Daoism and so forth so we have a way to Awaken to our True Nature and the End of Purpose or Desire driven Lives...

I would say because in the Absolute/God realm everything just IS, its Absolute, its ONE, its ALL, everything is included and inclusive. What is going here on Earth in regards to all Life especially Humans, it is not this way on some levels, yes all is provided for Us here to have Everything we need to Survive and Thrive, has anything we gained not come from this Earth? Our Bodies comes from this Earth via our Food, the only thing that does not come from this Earth is How we are Within Ourselves, our Karmic Substance (previous Lives residual effect of all the actions we took, could be 100's to 1000's of lives as a plant, human, animal...) and living in a Dual Material World but with endless Desire and seeming Purpose coming up at all opportunities (Achieve a Goal, you want to Achieve another Goal topping the previous one, this is Desire process). Desire is the same as Life, its a progression to Having and Being more than what You are right now, this in the end if You follow it too its final conclusion leads us to complete Liberation and going back to the Absolute, losing all Individuality and ability to experience as we do here... In Simple terms it is Life (Life=Absolute/God) being able to experience itself as Life and coming full circle thru it all, which does not happen in the Absolute realm imho:)