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@Keryo Koffa FUCK YOU!! Psyche lol..My Chinese Zodiak is Monkey, so watch out for the Monkey:) Glad Your here and that we are all here and trying to live to Higher Possibilities in whatever way works best for each of Us:)

Yes, and the way he explains it, explains Truth, at least for Me there is no other like him, its simple yet complex but very understandable, and he is diverse in the methods he shares, its on an intellectual level (live Now, aceept Now, respond to Now and your there) and its energetic and more, but ppl will say that he is unique.. He says he is only sharing about 2% of what he knows, we don't have to know all of it, we just have to get the Bliss part of it settled then we are on our way naturally, its so simple and easy!!!

I would say anytime Your in a State of Awareness where Bliss comes up, that is good! It means Your on Your Way. Just stop thinking about it, and analysing it too death, that will stop the process completely and allow Karma to keep its hold on You. Karma is a sort of Conditioning and "Software" per say that makes Your Personality, Beliefs, and the essential condition of Your Life as it is Now, if You want something new and more Profound and to access Your Potential, then Karma has to be dealt with and set aside...

I agree with most of what You said, but I/We also have the ability to perceive what is outside of Us, yes it is not a Complete Perception, we are missing many things in our normal 5 perception capacity, if we were to perceive everything, we wouldn't be good at Surviving another moment, we would be too engrossed in what we were perceiving to be concerned about food or shelter or our safety, so nature has lowered it, but we can still perceive that there is LIfe outside our own bodies and mind scapes, we've all experienced it.. When I leave a building or go to sleep, the world is still existing outside of my own individual awareness.. We are Embodied aspect of Life, we are connected to Life and in fundamental essence we are Life itself (Life is not situational, it is the very force/intelligence that allows all existence and creation to happen, and non existence as well), but in this Embodied form we have the ability to have an Individual Experience of it, so we are like drops in the ocean, Enlightenment or Moskha is about putting that drop back into the Ocean, losing Individuality and merging with Absolute/Oneness...

For Creation and Reality as we perceive it via the 5 senses, we need for sure a past, this is what Karma is based on, the residual effect of all actions from the past, that comes up in the present moment and makes You into what You are experiencing right now.. No Karma no Existence, No Creation... The key to dealing with Karma is: 1)Live Now absolutely, that does not mean neglecting past/memory or future/imagination, just don't identify or live in those places emotionally, this is key, both past and future do not exist, only NOW exists, focus on NOW and Life Experience changes, but don't be stupid and lose all awareness of past/future..2) Respond to NOW Consciously, rather than react Compulsively, Responding gives You Free Will..3)Accept all that IS as it IS, this moment is Inevitable as it is right now, if You can accept it, then Your open to what may happen in the future, if you do not accept it, then your a slave to the past events and karma...

All this means is that Subjectivity is all that really exists, as all Your Experience and non experience if there is such a phenomenon, happens only within You.. But that does not mean no one or anything else does not exist, I can only say I experience "Others" to exist, that is all the proof I need.. Prove Your own existence try it, it won't work, anything You say is just a story to me, and visa versa, but I know that You are not in Experience of what I am Experiencing and the same goes for Me towards You.. There is so much going on in this world on Just a Human level, never mind everything else in nature and animal, insect life, that too think only "I" exist and that everything else is made up imagination is what I call Spiritual Narcissism, in other words You are going in the wrong direction to experience or think such things...

I can relate to what You said above! I'm not sure if its negative thinking to see the world and the chaos that is happening in it (Human related, otherwise the world/planet is just fine), or one is just seeing it as it is? I'm very much out and about in the world in my job on a daily basis, while I can see the beauty in the natural world, and how we as Humans have integrated into it in inventive ways, and at times there is beauty in that as well, I can see the craziness that is happening as well. I live in Toronto, there is too many ppl here, its lineups and chaos everywhere, You cannot go anywhere here where this is really any peace and quiet, maybe a few places, if You have an idea to do something here, 10,000 other ppl have the same idea and are doing it too, so because of that, there is chaos everywhere, I honestly feel we could do much better than how we are doing it now.. Canada is a huge country, why does everyone want to live in only a few places is beyond Me lol.. Walks in nature bring us intouch with Nature which is a sort of perfection in Creation, we are a part of that Creation too, so when in nature we instantly connect if You have some Awareness within You that is intense, if not then You won't feel it at all, too much thinking going on which is part of the path to Enlightenment, stop the "Compulsive" thinking, its not the thinking itself that is the problem, its the Compulsiveness of it that is problematic!

A Human Being is capable of Perceiving all of Reality as it is, its just we are mostly Unconscious, therefore we are slaves to Our Minds, our Karma and Conditioning and to outer situations and realities, we have no Awareness of our Inner Life and Experience or Actions taking place and our ability to have Great Clarity and access Free Will, because of this we see only what we need to see to survive another day and are distracted by compulsive thoughts patterns and addictions of all sorts and technology... but we can be more than what we are right now, that is where our Potential Is!

Yes agreed, in the end its all about what we are experiencing within Ourselves, its good to share and support one another:)

Yes, where all POV come from, everything is Subjective, and here on this forum we are only talking "around" Spirituality, not directly about it, as we can't talk directly about something that is about the Non Physical aspect of what Reality is, so its all Subjectivity here...

In my research and experience, the East provides more detailed and efficient methods and techniques, as well as explanations of how to Reach High Levels of Potential within a Human Being compared to other parts of the world, they may have it too but it seems more hidden... They also explain Reality in a more complete way imo.. Karma is not Imaginary, it is in all the systems of what makes up a Human Being and all Matter and Material Existence, without Karma there is no Creation. By Karma I am meaning all the effect of the residual action from the past, for a Human there are 4 basic areas of actions, Body, Mind, Emotion, and Energy action, how conscious one is of all these areas of Action determines how much of their Potential and Free Will is available to them, in my experience most ppl are less than 1% Aware of any of these actions within themselves.. What prevents us from naturally being Enlightened is that we are only provided survival skills when we are born in a way, or an ability to learn how to Survive, it is like learning ABC and 123, we don't know these things but have the ability to learn it via striving to learn it.. Once a Human Being has mastered Survival level of Living, they can go further, there is more Potential to explore, but it has to be strived for, seeked out, its not given to us naturally unless our Karma is there to allow it too happen (previous life's lived via a Spiritual Intention to Know and be Enlightened)

I would say there is No Evolution of Being, Being is already Established, all we have to do is Realize it, or become Aware of It, the evolution is in the Area of going from UnTruth to Truth in Realization, that is why we have all these Systems available to Us from the East, they allow this Realization to Happen when it is not already in our daily lives because of Karma or Conditioning of some sort preventing it from happening naturally!

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I would say Sadhguru is the proof, he's worked 20hrs+ a day for the last 35yrs or so, none stop, its because he is in constant Bliss, again this does not mean he has no sense of what is going on or is in some sort of trance state, he balances it out with Clarity...He did the 30,000km Save Soil campaign last year, he's in his 60's, as well as riding his motor bike in horrendous heat and cold, rain conditions, over night with no sleep at times, he did something like 300 press events, none of us could do this, why does he do it, he doesn't have to do anything... here is a video of just one of his years in review and the stuff he does...

Yes maybe... What I meant by settling is that we sort of get used to it, even in Bliss one still has Desire as Desire is inherent in Embodied Life, and with Bliss You gain Clarity, so when the "Pursuit of Happiness" issue is achieved naturally, you move on to higher pursuits, hence why I am here on this forum. When I am out and about on my job, I'm in public areas allot, malls, restaurants, all sorts of public places, I see ppl in pursuit of Happiness or Fulfilment in these places, they have certain looks, mannerism, they are so focused on what is outside of themselves that they walk into me at time when working, its a dead atmosphere, for me I do not want this sort of life, I want to experience more of Life, so that is what happens I think, Bliss settles allot of things for Us, so that we can pursue our true Potentials... When any sort of Suffering, or being below Peace level of Experience is happening then one will never pursue higher levels of Potential in Life... Sadhguru has a good saying in reference to Human Nature compared to other Life on the planet.."When Stomach is Empty there is One Problem, when Stomach is Full then there is 100 problems, this is the nature of the Human Being", most life forms their lives are settled when stomach is full, that is not the case with Us Humans!

I think most today cannot even imagine a naturally Blissful state of Being as a possiblity, we are so ingrained to believe and understand that "life is out there, outside of You, Experience, Happiness, Success is outside of You and You have to Find it and Grasp it, and Hold on to it for Life to be Fulfilling", its been conditioned into Us very strongly.. When I first started doing Yoga practices, Isha Kriya then Shambhavi Mahamudra, within a couple weeks of consistent practice, I was Blissed Out pretty well for a month or so and for no reason other than the practices just allowed me to be stress free, worry free, my Awareness was super enhanced and I just realized certain truths, it was really cool and great, nothing phased me, and I was working Security in a not so nice environment, lots of alcohol infused stupidity and drug use at this hotel I was working at, ppl said I was walking around with a big smile on my face lol... Then it settles a bit, You actually get used to it in a way, but its very healthy for Us to be in this sort of state, our Well Being is greatly enhanced... Life does not have to be an up and down emotional roller coaster, this is not good for us, and there is way too much instability in our societies today, Toronto is going nuts right now, shootings and murder almost everyday, stupid accidents and ppl losing it, its like Chicago now...

Yes they can, if Ppl can be in constant Depressed States, why can't someone be in constant Blissful States? Its actually the way the body is designed to be in Blissful States, when in Depressed States wrong chemistry is released, this destroys your body and mind, breaks down cells and such, bad health is the result.. When in Happy or Blissful States on a constant basis, the opposite happens, everything about You, all Your Capabilities and Attributes are enhanced. Bliss does not mean party mode 24/7, it means a higher state of Realization, of Awareness and Profoundness of Experience, Intensity of the Moment is very Higher, Your not ruled by the past or future, you use the past to become wise, you plan for the future but You don't live in those places that don't exist Now... The problem is that very few ppl live in constant Blissful states naturally, so because of that most ppl think its not possible, or not needed or good for us, because we are so used to up and down emotional lives, suffering, anxiety, stress, depression, these things have become the norm, just because its the norm does not mean its the way things should be!

No, Desire does not lead to Suffering, Suffering is self created! Pain exist in Life for sure, Suffering is different from pain, for the most part (unless You live in a war zone or are subjected to torture daily) Suffering comes from either ppl reliving past events in their minds, or are unconscious of certain aspects of who they are, like trauma hidden within the body or subconscious, unconscious mind... Awareness cures all of this, and Desire is found at every step of the way, you cannot be Embodied and not have Desiring process happening...

I have a scale from 0 to 10, 0 is Peace, 10 is Ecstasy, anything below Peace is suffering state, in suffering state You are not accessing any of Your Potential, your just surviving, most of the population is below 0. The difference btwn 0- Peace and 10-Ecstasy is just a matter of Intensity of Experience, Peace is not as Intense as Ecstasy State! When Your at 10, in Ecstasy, as Davino said You cannot function in Social Situations or Survival situations, You won't want to Eat, Drink, be concerned about Family or any of that, better to Isolate Yourself when in Ecstasy State of Being.. The Happy medium is Bliss(I would say Bliss is 8 or 9 on the scale), You can be in Blissful States (as Sadhguru said) and still function normally, deal with Life situations and family and all of that, the thing is when in Blissful states, no Stress is possible when in Life situations, what would life like that be like? You see Stress is not found in Situations, Stress is found within You, its an Unconscious Reaction to Life, not a Conscious Response to Life, and this is what we need more of from People in this world, right now its the polar opposite and that is why we have the Shit Show that we have...

This is called Moksha, or Liberation, total dissolution of Individuality and Identity (ego mind of sorts I guess), this is the end of seeking...this is why we are here as Humans to play this Game...

All LIfe has it, the Intelligence I am talking about has nothing to do with Mind, and Figuring out stuff and inventing stuff, building stuff, space ships to the Moon or anything of that nature, it is just the Insect is living between 2 lines, they are limited in their ability to Experience and in the area of Awareness, we are not limited in that way, we can live and experience ourselves as Gods, with complete Experience of most everything (not saying those that do have a intellectual understanding, can come back and instantly cure cancer or solve all societal problems, but they can experience it) as One, Completeness,, I don't think any other life form on this planet has that ability, maybe they do... A couple of Years ago, Neil Degrass Tyson, the Astrophysicist had a TV show, he one episode he said within our DNA is the DNA of the plants, insects and other life forms, that means even on the physical level there is Oneness present..on the other levels of what we all are, its so complex and sophisticated that its not fathomable for us within our limited minds... How does Gravity work, how is it that day to day your basically the same weight, what is monitoring this process of Gravity, and allowing it to exist, you can analyse it too death, deconstructing it death, going down to the Quantum Level, but there is still more depth to it, how it that process in place and come into being so that I can pick up a coke bottle and drink it???

Everyone and Everything, Physical and Non Physical, has a Grand Intelligence within It (I can't find a better word to use than Intelligence), this sort of Grand Intelligence is not Memory based, its is not Calculating Based, its not Earthly, it made and has allowed the Earth, and Universe to Function within a Certain Geometry and Alignment (to use a simple eg) to allow Life as we know it on this planet to exist, but this is just a small small bit of it. Ever wonder how things happen as they happen? When Conception happens, the Sperm meets the Egg, two cells are form and then it multiples and compounds, how is it that this process was put into place in the first place, how exactly does it happen and how does the dna or whatever from both sperm/ego combine to form a new human being that is both Unique and the Same as the previous generation??? This eg is just one of Trillions of processes going on on this planet alone, never mind the entire Universe and Non Universe, how does something so Complex that we will never understand it Happen, how did it come into Being... Its all a game of a Sort of Grand Intelligence that each of Us has, its undeniable, but only We as Humans have the Capability to Touch it via Experience that only we have at Advanced stages of Intensity and Awareness..

You know Sadhguru's work, Your Seeking to be More that what You Are Right Now, that More is whatever, it is Potential and Possibility, our minds in this day and age have so much exposure to shit purposes and fake dreams that it opens up the mind a bit, compared to the days of just slaving away to make some shelter and find food/safety,,,but when You get a glimpse of Awakening as we call it nowadays, then the Mind and our built in Desiring Process goes to work, first it searches for Intellectual Knowing, more videos, more guru's, more books, more studying, then that gets boring and fazes away, then the work/sadhana kicks in, you feel better, then that fazes out, then the real work of seeking happens, to Be More Than What You Are RIGHT NOW!

There are other forms of Perception beyond the normal 5 senses, I wouldn't rely on any of that sort of perception field to evaluate another's spiritual Level, but our Energy system can merge with other Energy systems (the higher up the latter you go the more your Energy field expands) and tell the vibrancy and intensity of others Fields, as well Karma is written on many levels of the Human Being it can be read too, so looking into the eyes or reading body language is not the best way imho when it comes to these matters...

In Isha Yoga, Sadhguru talks about this as a progression of sorts as well, first bring Yourself to Ease, as You said (Less Suffering/Grasping), its about Inner Life Experience becoming more Peaceful naturally, there is no Resistance to What Is, when that comes to You in Experience then Your at Ease, same with Free Will coming about via the Ability to Respond to Life Situations, they connect these too, Acceptance and Response Ability, together they allow Free Will to come into Your Capability, How do I want to Be within Myself!! Once that is set, then Enlightenment is not far away!!