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There are Guru's and Enlightened Beings for sure always on this Earth at all times, we may not recognize them as Enlightened, I assume most of them stay quiet and just are the example to others to follow by, that is as well a good way to teach, simply by example! I don't buy into this thing of "we are all so different" maybe so on the surface, our likes and dislikes, our personalities are different, but go a bit deeper than those surface things and you will find most ppl are pretty well the same, just at differing intensity levels and such. The Ego luv to feel very different, and to tell stories of how different we are... We all have Needs & Wants, we all Want to be More than what we are Right Now... Just see how many ppl are so addicted to their phones, social media, drugs, alcohol, gambling, its like most ppl have been programed lol, so in essence we are essentially the same, only on the surface do we appear different! Yes some of us have differing level of Physical, Mental, Emotional and Energetic, Creative skill sets, and its cool that we do, imagine everyone being the exact same on these levels, it would be so boring here lol, so uniqueness is something to be in amazement of as well...

I agree for the most part, in the end its up too You, its how Willing You are to the process of it, part of it is becoming a Devotee of the Guru, this is very very hard, but there are many examples of ppl today being very gullible to the tribal thinking and so forth, so it happens, but true real Guru's are rare, in human form that is, everything in a way is a Guru, but for practical purposes for Enlightenment sooner or later most will need some sort of guide that can help one along the road, no super athlete has gotten there all on their own, the majority have had some support along the way, but of course there are the rare few that have done it completely alone, this I think has to do with their Karma, they did lots of Sadhana and preparation in previous lives to make it happen in this one... I think each generation has some, its nature's way to make it a possibility so they are always there, one just has to find them or they come into Your life when needed, like they say "The Teacher will arrive when the Student is Ready" ...

The Guru works on many levels, it depends on many things, factors and such. For eg at certain programs from what I know, during initiation to certain practices the Guru works on the Energy level, they can influence or adjust ppl's energy, fix certain chakra points and such, esoteric stuff yes, but they've been doing it for millennia... Its sort of like standing next to a fire, You get Warm, if You go too close You get burnt, but if You have the right distance and awareness it keeps You warm when its cold outside, so the Guru is like that in metaphorical ways.. They can read Your Karmic makeup, this helps allot, as well see where the Energy blockages and such are, so in many ways they help, they can even give You the experience like a dmt trip, but not for long as it may damage Your system if You stay there too long...In today's world they can also give You concepts, simple intellectual tools that can get You curious, in Sadhguru's Inner Engineering program the first 6 lessons are just this, things about how time works, the mind, the influence of Sound/Mantra, what the meaning of Life is, and its essence too, practical things that create more curiosity but as well give You things You can use right now...

There's a saying that says "You already are Enlightened, You just don't Realize it Yet!", so I am more on this side of the coin. I believe we are full of Potential, the highest Potential for a Human Being is Enlightenment, which is Full Awareness of the Reality and its Nature and You being basically It! Meditation is too general of a term, but Sadhana is more appropriate, it basically means Spiritual Practice, and there are many available to fit the various personality and Karma types out there, nothing has to be invented or reworked for the "modern person", its just a matter of finding which one works for You the best, that is one of the jobs the Guru performs, they tailor the Sadhana to the Individual... Its purpose is too not make You Enlightened, but to allow Enlightenment to be Realized, there are many things going on within You right now that is preventing this Realization from Happening, Sadhana takes care of all of that, when that is done then Your There.. It can take 10min or 10yrs or 10 lifetimes, that is up to You, if You do it on your own it will probably take 10 lifetimes, with a proper Guru maybe within this lifetime.. Once You start on some serious Sadhana your Karma will ramp up very quickly, what that means in simple terms, what You normally experience in 10yrs, you may experience in a month or two, what You normally experience in a Lifetime You may experience in a year, so it depends on how the Guru sets things up and lays the foundation, some do it via what I call the Bliss route, they make You Blissful first, then that smooths the road, others do it differently...

Your mind will tell you to seek symmetry, to pursue thoughts, to engage and create drama around them. Don't engage! Let go! easier said than done. Today we discuss a few topics related to this idea. This video is taken from one of our live qi gong classes. Adam discusses this common feeling among many men. Want to learn Qi Gong? Join our FREE online Qi Gong Classes. https://www.adamchanqigong.com

The Only thing we have Control over is How we want to BE within OURSELVES, this comes from being Conscious/Aware of what the Reality is, via that we gain Free Will, or the Ability to Respond vs. Compulsivity or Reactivity, so in reality we can only control what is going on within ourselves, everything else that is outside of Us we cannot control completely, if You have 50% control then Your on a good path lol, but otherwise outside situations are random and very influx... But How Your respond to it all is totally under Your control if You want it too be.. But I understand Your situation, have dabbled in having my own business and doing things on my own in this nature, it can be very frustrating and exhausting, the thing we have to ask ourselves is is it worth it, is it giving me Joy and am I doing what I luv to do, if not then for sure suffering will come of it...

I think the True Meaning or Metaphor for the Rocky Character, to which I am a Great Great fan of, is that there is Potential within You that is mostly untapped. In all the Rocky Movies, Rocky has no "Rocky" to look up to, he finds his inspiration within Himself and Manifest it in his life, he gets up and keeps on fighting via his own Internal Motivation, which is untapped Potential in other words, everyone else is Using Rocky as motivation, so that is a big difference and is what Stallone is talking about... Its fine to once inawhile look for Motivation outside of Yourself, but don't rely on it solely, like putting Your Eggs in one basket, create Your own motivation (Beingness), then go out and perform Action and get Success.. The way Life should be lived is like this, Being--->Doing--->Having, Most ppl today are doing it the opposite, they are Doing--->Having--->Being but they never get to the Being part of it, they get caught up in the Doing/Having part and suffer for it..

I think You brought a few good points! First, You brought the idea that we are mostly not Conscious or Aware of what is going on within our own bodies, I think You are completely Correct in this Assessment, most of Us are not Aware of what is going on every moment within Our Bodies, Minds, Emotions and Energies, so what does that mean? Sadhguru points this out allot, it means that we are mostly living by Accident or Compulsively, not on Purpose or Consciously, so there is a big difference or gap here, what is the difference btwn living Compulsively vs. Consciously? I think when You live Compulsively, You have no Free Will, no ability to Respond to Life, when You live Consciously You do, so what is the difference on this level? With Free Will You determine Your Experience in Life, You determine Your Destiny! Without Free Will Your subject to Fate... Second You brought Up this idea of being Unconscious/Unaware or Asleep but everything is still functioning, Your Body is breathing, Heart is pumping, Body is doing what it can to keep You alive, but Your unaware of it and in deep sleep, this happens to Us all the time when going to Sleep at night, but what is this that is keeping us alive? Is it not some sort of program or system set up that is monitoring what is happening within our Bodies? Is it a reality that our Bodies are complex biological systems of sorts? If this is true whatever is monitoring it and adjusting the chemistry and biology to keep us alive when in Deep Sleep, it must be an intelligence of sorts, true or false? If that is True, then what is this Intelligence and am I Aware of it and intouch with it Consciously? And what would happen if I was intouch with it Consciously, how would that affect my Life? I think this Intelligence is the same Intelligence that is Mother Nature or Source or God, of whatever it is You want to call it, but its working on a basic level when in the context of keeping our Bodies going when in Deep Sleep or Unconscious, it works at a more advanced level when dealing with other phenomenon here on planet Earth and in the Cosmos... This intelligence I think is so sophisticated and that we are the only living things that are able to be Conscious and Experience it as it is, this imo is partly what it means to be Enlightened!

Well it depends on what You want to do, maybe Your in a God Realization and want to stay here and play (Leela), or maybe dissolve this body and mind and go on to other dimensions or just merge with Absolute, that is the choice I would guess...

So then as far as I can interpret what You said above, there are various states of Realization, sometimes Your God Realized, sometimes not, that indicates that individual Consciousness exists, as I do not know on a moment to moment basis what state of Consciousness Your in, and it fluctuates, that is all I am saying as well, sometimes we have it, sometimes not, the goal is to make it a permanent State of Experience...one can do this in many ways, we have to choose for ourselves what way works best for Us...

I don't think I know it all, but from what I have researched by those that are in the Know, or they and others say they are, we are manifestations of Brahman, or Absolute, there is a realm of Absolute, its all about Oneness and Potential and a Grand Intelligence of sorts (don't think of this sort of Intelligence that is calculating or like we have we we figure things out or invent stuff, think a billions times more intelligence than how AI is supposed to be, something that is so complex (think of how complex an atom is) and connected and perfect in a way, that is Grand Intelligence or Source Code), but in the Absolute there is no experience or duality or karma, but Potential is there, via that Potential we have to appear, as does every other potential or possibility that can happen, so here we are in this material dual world as Human Beings, we are the most evolved life on this planet, but we can experience and live life like an animal or below animal nature, or God like, totally connected to everything via our Experience, so via Experience we work this out, play the game of leela and try to live beyond our animal nature which is very possible for most all of Us! Existence goes from Gross to Subtle, Subtle is Absolute, Gross is Us in animal form on this planet Earth where Duality exists, but Absolute in a way is our basic foundation, we have to strive to find it within ourselves!

@Davino That is interesting, as I did not do any significant research like asking AI to compare things as You did above, but I classified my understanding of Solipsism as Egoic or Narcissistic, but with the Experiential aspect as described above then I can see how one can say Yes I am a Solipsist, as it recognizes an all Inclusive Experience (Oneness, Completeness, Absolutist) but that form comes from that, which is the same things as saying all is Brahman, and that I am Brahman as is every other form, it acknowledges Form but that everything stems from this Brahman...I can accept that definition. My problem lies mostly in how ppl communicate it, when they do psychedelics or have grand Enlightened Experience then come back and say "I am Everything, or I am God..." for me this turns me off, it shouldn't be communicated this way, as there is no "I" in Absolute, there is just an Experience of Oneness, so I would phrase it like this "I experienced everything as One", again with using language to discuss these things it sooner or later forms contradictions and misnomers in a sense, you cannot directly discuss these things, only theorize and/or relate personal experiences, not make claims!

Exactly! but he seems to think I don't know what I am talking about it, so therefore I must be nuts to not think Solipsism is the way to be, lol..again if Your the only one in existence. why are you on this forum, and whom are you asking??? Its complete Nut cases and crazy, this is why the world is so nuts and chaotic, in millions of different way ppl are perceiving life in there stupidest ways imaginable, if the is a God we need his help fast lol...

Nice fairy tail lol..Time to get back to Earth, this sort of ideology although true on a Absolutist (see Princess Arabia) level, can be dangerous if not integrated properly when here. You see we have this thing called Language, it allows us to communicate on a basic level, within that language we have labels and names for specific things, Guru is one kinda label, it means dispeller of darkness, it indicates that that person (in the human context) has a higher level of consciousness as to what reality is, compared to other Humans, they are like the fire that warms us when cold, so not everyone is the Guru, you are not the Guru, Your taking the Absolutist level of Understanding and Awareness and trying to apply it here on this Relative level on Planet Earth, which is Dual in nature, the Guru helps us go beyond this perception and find out we can access the Absolute level in Experience but still function if we choose to here on the Dual plane... You on this relative plane are not the only one in existence but the Ego luvs this and it makes the person feel superior and happy in a way when they think this way... If you were truly on the level of Absolute in Experience You wouldn't need psychedelics and such to get there, and imo your attitude would be much different...

Leo looks down on most of us and newbies or ppl that don't know what we are talking about in regards to Consciousness and what it all means, so he probably noticed it but for him its like looking at a kids scribbling on a chalk board, who cares eh...

It can be if they use if for that purpose, but for most "fighters" they just use it too developed bigger ego's and such, but they do get humbled in some way but only by those that are superior fighters in their individual experience.. True Humbleness is when a very good fighter (like Adam Chan above) doesn't use his skills in a situation when he knows the other guy doesn't stand a chance, but he bows out to literally save the other guys ass from a huge beating. Most fighters will not do this, they will fight to prove a point and that is basically Ego.. Bruce Lee had a huge Ego, even though he followed Kristnamurti and his ways, most in the context of how Bruce looked at learning Martial Arts, but he very egoic and would fight at the drop of a hat to prove a point...

my post was nothing compared to the one You started that got locked!

sounds like a dictatorship lol, very good for the spiritually minded and those looking for the end of suffering to follow the dictator and his ways:)

Oh No another one lol... First, if Your a Solipsist, who are you asking for opinions from? I thought being a Solipsist means Your the only one in existence? Where is the logic here????? Second to even think or understand life that Your the only one in existence and imagining up everything else, including me, this is like the dictator that is takes over his own country and is looking to expand his empire for his own needs and takes over other countries, does this sound familiar, isn't this happening in this very day and age?? The Nariscisst luv's this, everythng is about me, and everything around me is made up by me and it gives Your Ego a big boost in confidence and can give you maybe a sense of wellbeing in the beginning I would imagine, since I've never followed this method or ever would!

You admire him too much, what I see You doing with Leo is what You see me doing with Sadhguru, Sadhguru at least has 30+yrs of proof that he is what he says he is, Leo just has a bunch of video's and what he says here on the forum, he hasn't made any real changes in the world on a practical level, Sadhguru has (Rally for Rivers, Cauvery Calling, Conscious Planet/Save Soil, Action for Rural Rejuvenation, Isha Leadership Academy, Inner Engineering Course, Isha Vidhya (isha schools), Isha Gramostovam (celebraton of rural life in India), Prison programs in USA and India, Youth and Truth movement, Isha Samskriti, Tsunami Relief and Rehab, etc etc etc...), so there is no comparison btwn the Two, if You give this list and get someone objective to compare the two and what they have done on the Spiritual stage and Social stage, they will see what is the Truth and who is what they say they are, Leo is of no comparison, not even in the same league!!!

Here Adam does a Q&A for the ppl signed up for his free QiGung course, super valuable advice.. 1) Practice is more imporant than anything, no matter if Your in pain or not, if you don't practice consistently (this is discipline) then it won't work for U! 2) Find a method that works for You, experiment, some methods just resonate more than others, do some research and find what works for You. 3) Everything start from where Your At, baby steps first then go for the end game but You can't get to the End Game on day 1!

I'm interested in someday for sure trying psychedelics, but for now it is not available for me to do so, and I don't think its is a true way to know, is a supplement of sorts but one needs to have stability first naturally and/or via a method that one can use to get their naturally, once that is established then one can go the dmt route and see...Just look at Your hero Leo, you think he is in a stable condition and knows what reality and truth are? I do not think he does, he's not close IMO....

I'm not looking for that sort of Truth first off, I'm looking to establish my Bliss first, I can only go by what feels right...Leo's approach is knowing based which is false, we cannot know reality completely so its a lost path, I can know Bliss, from there I will naturally find Truth, no need to go elsewhere...

This is the problem with Leo's approach, all one has to do is look at Leo himself and see if it works? It doesn't seem to be working for him, he seems miserable, unhealthy and angry or very emotional, so that is the result for the most part generally if people follow his ways... I follow mostly Sadhguru's ways, I do research others, they have similar programs but his seems to speak to me in a way, and his methods and techniques work and are very effective.. I would say generally for the masses, is basic programs (Isha Kriya, and Inner Engineering programs) are Bliss based programs, you start from where you are at, not this Absolutists, solipsism approach which I think is very disempowering and will lead you to what You are going thru...With Sadhguru, he teaches you on many levels, but in essence and imo you learn how to not activate the Stress Response Fight or Flight response in your system, you become naturally Peaceful and Happy, and even Blissful for no reason, then from this baseline point you begin to explore more Potential in Life and go from there... Try it first with Isha Kriya, its free and easy 12 min practice...