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I posted a thread today about Hindu and everything spiritual, they talk alot about what happens at Death in Detail.. With Sadhguru he doesn't like to talk about things that are not in ppl's experience, but he wrote a whole Book on Death, so its there..Basically if You get to Moksha, there is not individuality left behind, you merge with the Absolute, so that is Enlightenment, he says most that get Enlightened at the same moment they leave the body and merge, but there seems to be realms above this one, he doesn't talk about those too much, but others do. The whole game of it is too stop the Dying and Rebirth cycle, allot of this has to do with Karma, which is the residual effect of all the actions you performed in the past lives times and this one, there are lots of actions You are performing right now that are unconscious too You, if You gain higher Consciousness then You dissolve all Your karma and are Enlightened, only the Masters can stay behind to do some work here...

Thanks.. There's allot of repetitive threads going on, and this is just not about this forum, ppl throughout the ages have been asking the same questions, putting up the same discontentment's, arguments, the difference is we are super spoiled today and we don't realize it, this is on some fronts the greatest time to be alive since most everything is already provided, those that are not provided for its not because we cannot provide for them, its because we don't have the Care in our Hearts to do so, and its not profitable, but because of all of this, we have forgotten all the already Established and Proven ways to live to our higher Potential, and try to do it ourselves because we think we are so smart lol, just start doing some Yoga, You will find it and be that much better for it...

Memory fading is actually a gift of sorts, but as with everything (Duality which is actually Oneness) its a dbl edged sword.. Again no one mentions Free Will, Choice, Determination, Response Ability, You have this, but very few exercise it because they are not Aware of it, they look outside themselves (Drugs, Sex, Psychedelics experiences, etc) for an Experience to give hope or distract from Suffering.. Only those that are Suffering are here I think, and post what You posted above, those in Bliss are not really posting here and do not post these sorts of posts, so its a reflection of that.. Anyways, if You remembered all Your Lives, then it would burden You too much, since this one life is already probably doing that (if not You then it has for many), so its Life's way of starting from Scratch in a way, you still have all the tendencies that remain from the previous ones, but You can start absolutely fresh, and be a Fresh Life, that is our Choice and is available to All who Seek it!

Why is Existence Looking upon itself? Why is Mind reflecting upon itself? We use different words to describe the samething, but there is an underlying question! Its great to realize that something is reflecting something, but How and Why? Its Existence/Mind/Consciousness/Absolute via Experience and Expression knowing about itself I would say, we here are just One way that this is happening, in an Infinite Universe as we are living in (we know not where the Beginning is, nor where the End is) this has to be the case, we cannot be the only ones in the entirety of it all, but there is a Matrix set up, boundaries are here, Duality is here, as if no boundaries are present, then no Experience or Expression can happen hence no way for Absolute to know itself.. Can Absolute know itself in Absolute without Experience and Expression (in all the Trillions of ways just on this planet alone, never mind the entire Cosmos)?? Please if You know how share:)

This concept of Synchronicity is akin the the concept of Inclusiveness or Oneness, if everything in a fundamental aspect is One and Inclusive (including all) then it is automatically in Sync with one another, as mentioned before we just can't perceive due to too much thinking (survival instinct gone wild via our intellects) and our identification with it (I think/believe this is Me). Simple example, the tree is half of Your lungs, no trees, no 02 no air no way to breath...so everything is like this.. If You eat Food, where does Food come from? The Earth right, so Your Body is just a Food/Earth Body, do You know this? No Food=No Body, so Your intimately connected to the Earth, but don't know this via the above identification problem.. All of the above is happening in millions and billions of ways every moment of everyday of Your Life, within You and outside of You, something is monitoring this complex system of sorts, its a Grand Intelligence, far beyond anything we can think of or conceive of. Why is it you weigh roughly the same everyday, why is gravity as we know it consistent as it is?? We as Humans can come intouch with this Intelligence and live to a higher Potential via the Experience of being Intouch with it, that is Spirituality in a nut shell...

@Vercingetorix Yes it is! First it sets up a Separation of sorts, btwn You and what is Creation and all the Intelligence and Beauty that is behind that, it makes the connection to it seem that much further away, in reality it is all within YOU, its just a matter of seeking to find it and getting over this super strong Survival Mechanism/Ego complex that we have ingrained within Us. Second, it may make You shift Responsibility for Your Life to something else, this is very dangerous, You are the Only one Responsible for Your Life, Your Karma is Your Making, Karma is not reward or punishment system, Karma is like the Software in a computer, You have not consciously programed it to do what You want, so in essence life is being lived by accident, when You added the element of Consciousness, then control and Free Will come back into Your Life, Your destiny is now in Your Hands, How You want to be within Yourself is up to You, not someone else or some Entity elsewhere..

@caspex Ok, I think this sort of situation is becoming more prevalent in our society, technology has for sure made things too easy in many ways, back in my day I had to get up and turn the channel on the TV manually, and we had only 4 channels, then things changed, things got easier and more convenient and here we are today, nothing really has to be done physically, and we are the weakest physical generation ever I would say, this for sure affects one's mental health! First, You have to create Your own Momentum, how to do this? Quit thinking and just do it.. In the Morning set You alarm for 7am or early, when the Alarm goes off just get up, no thinking or anything, just get vertical put Your arms up over Your head and do a big stretch for 15 seconds, then get up and on Your feet, go to the washroom and clean up your face and stuff like that, get moving, without debate or thought, from this you begin to develop momentum and routine, do this for the next few days, then start planning stuff to do after this routine is over, keep the momentum going thru out the day, that doesn't mean always moving around, but some activity has to be done, no check phones every min, maybe only once an hour, ignore your thoughts and resistances, just do it... If You don't do things like this, it will only get worse and Your the only one Responsible for it!

Yes I can agree with this, I believe in Levels of Reality, Levels of Perception and Experience for sure...Enlightenments is a word, we can't get hung up on it, this only happens because we are addicted to our Intellects, Minds, Thought, Ideologies and we want absolute definitions of things and concrete paths to goals and such...Its just a word to describe Ultimate Potential, but I do believe that as a Human Being we have a limit, if our Energies rise to a certain Intensity we may leave the body, and such things of this nature, we can never "Understand" Reality, we can Experience it too a point, but sooner or later one has to drop this Body Mind complex and merge with Existence and Reality!

I want to share this because its down to Earth, Practical, it affects One's daily life... A Big Problem I see around here is all this Absolute, Infinity, Death talk, stuff that is really not in anyone's daily experience, only when You take a Drug, which in the end is a very Dangerous way to live, rely on something outside of You to bring You to a place, then coming back and thinking this is the Reality, very dangerous and disempowering.. Yes the psychedelics can help at a certain point of development, but that development has to be established first, Your Stable Emotionally (why is it in all the trip reports there is a feeling of great anxiety and fear in the beginning? This is because there is no emotional base of stability established, no sober realization of what life is about, so its dangerous to function in this way) First and Foremost, You have had a natural Awakening to Reality and Life situations, not always relying on trip reports and someone looked upon as a leader to tell you the way it is... In this video Sadhguru talks and shares about Real things, everyday happens, in real time and life, how to be happy, how to be Responsive rather than Reactive, how to Lead and Manage, simple stuff but it is just the basis of Your life, much more important than the Absolute and Infinity which for the most part are just Ideas one has in their heads!

Proper Yoga is not about seeking Bliss either, Bliss is just the foundation, as Yoga is about breaking barriers as well, so that one can perceive Reality in its Truth, but thru the path of Bliss it is much easier and safer, than drugs or any other method for the person using it! A huge problem around here I see is that ppl are denying the basic Human Qualities of Peace, Happiness, Bliss and such as not so important, but its just the basis of Your everyday Life, if You negate that, ignore it, then Life will bite You hard, there's way to much abstract talk and thinking about things that are way beyond one's actual situation and experience of Life, hence talking about Death, Absolute, Imaginary Life, God and such are useless conversations in reality, its get one in a circle jerk of nothing!

Food is a survival aspect not drugs, we don't need psychedelics to survive, and any good spiritual master will not promote using them to advance on the path, its just ppl using some sort line of information to support why they do something, it makes them feel better for using it... To put it simply, Your body has its own pharmacy within it, if You can access it, and you can, then you can create whatever drug you want naturally, this is Always Always superior to using outside substances!! The Bliss that is available to all of Us can come naturally, that is all that needs to be said, via that Bliss Awareness opens up and the same revelations are revealed, those that use drugs consistently are cheating essentially and karmically this will catch up to them!

Don't use this term God just because Leo does, its the wrong label to use since it invokes a certain idea and image, just saying:) Intelligence is the basic quality of Existence, just think of the smallest thing like an Atom, do we know all there is to know about an Atom? I don't think we do, we may think we do but we don't, and within the Atom is mostly empty space, what is that exactly? So Existence is a sort of Grand Intelligence, what does this have to do with Us? We can be intouch with it more than any other life on this planet, by intouch I mean we can experience it in a way, know it in a way at a highly Aware and Experiential level.. Religion takes this all away from ppl, the opportunity to Experience Life this way, that is why its corrupt for the most part, the way it is done in our society today, as it everything large groups of Humans come in contact with and try to organize, this is simple because they are "Out of Touch" with Life and Existence!

BY DONG TOO MANY PSYCHEDELICS! LETS REPEAT THAT FOR ALL TO HEAR, BY DOING TOO MANY PYCHEDELICS! That is where the sickness is!

Yes for each their own way, but in the end its not empowering to rely on outside substances to bring about states of Experience, hands down this is proven to be so, but each can go their own path, Karma will play its game and life will work out as it does, we have to be Aware of what is Empowering and What is not to make it a life with less suffering and more Joy and Aliveness, the drugs don't help in that direction!

Since Your familiar with Sadhguru's work, from what he says (they say he's a Charkrawara or Master of the Energy system), what you describe above is not the Soul, but the 5 Shealths or Koshas and the karmic substance which binds them altogether, which in my understand surround the Soul or Life that is within all of Us, there are no "Individual Souls", only Life is within Us, this Life has no personality or uniqueness, it is present in all living things, but we as Humans can be the most conscious/aware of it and be intouch with it on our human level compared to other life forms....

@Shodburrito Suffering, like Depression, Anxiety, Anger and such emotions and experiences, are objectively and medically proven are not healthy for Your Body and Your Mental state obviously, so although I agree in a way, Better/Worse, Good/Bad are just words we throw around and one persons Bad could be another persons Good, it is relative in some ways, this mostly has to do with Likes/Dislikes, not objective realities like Mental Health or Physical Health, and such things.. Concerning these words we use like Enlightenment and such, for me, they just represent certain possibilities and potentials, in the end we all have free will to decide how we want to be within ourselves and how our lives should be, if someone wants to live in a prison and say that is heaven then that is great for them, its not for me, and visa versa, if one thinks Enlightenment is relative to living an Ordinary Life (Work, Sleep, Family, Weekends off, Grandkids, Vacations, Retire then Die) then that is okay for THEM, its not for me, I see and understand up to a point the difference, its a matter of Potential for Me, living the Ordinary Life is low Potential, Enlightenment is the Highest Potential, we choose how to be and what to do, that is our choice...

Yes, the copycat syndrome is prevalent here big time, the idol worship too, it happens everywhere, I've been thru this stage in many ways in many fields, when I was young playing tennis full time, I worshipped Borg, played like him, wore cloths like him and so on, then in Martial Arts I had that with a few ppl, and in Spirituality it happened too, but it dissipates sooner or later, one has to be who they are within this moment and within this karmic makeup, and go for it in whatever way they need, some only want simple Peace, or Bliss, others want this so called Absolute Understanding, go for it but if you can't joyfully accept all consequences then suffering will result for sure, if you like to suffer then continue on!

True! Many times I have read posts from people and it made allot of sense, I thought "Hey this person is really on their way", then they post how they are in a park somewhere during the weekday, mid afternoon, taking some pill that gives them some experience of God, lol, and they are on here everyday for hours, it sort of is revealing.. I come here when I'm off, but I have a work and family life, so there's a balance of sorts but for some it really is needed to take care of the basics and drop all of this absolute stuff, its too much at times and I feel for them in a way, its too bad it is this way, its a reflection of a society that wants its citizens to be zombies unfortunately!

Unfortunately True, its a certain kind here, but I'm only sharing maybe someone will pick up on it and change, what else can one do eh?

I'll share my theory but its just that a Theory, no Truth can be found in it as I do not really Know! Absolute is a realm lets say, within it is Oneness, Completeness and Potential/Possibility, but no Experience is there, for that too happen we need Us, Individuals with ability to Experience and have no memory really of this Absolute which makes up our fundamental nature.. So we are here to work this out, play the game of Duality, Karma, Not Knowing, Ego, within this Body and Mind complex that is set up with Survival Instincts, Intellect to guide us on that level playing field, but we have potential to be more than that, that is where Desire comes into play. Desire is as ingrained within Us just as strongly as Survival Instinct, we have two basic forces playing within Us, the Self Preservation Force, and the Force to go beyond this (Desiring process) to |Break any and all Barriers and be completely Free. With Self Preservation we build walls around us, its like a self made prison, we feel safe and secure, but we get uptight and frustrated when this is in place, everyone is seeking to go beyond this sort of living situation by wanting to be more than what they are right now, so we are accumulating Experiences, Money, Success, Power, Sex, this that and the other thing but its on the level of either Body or Mind (Ego/Emotions/Ideologies). For some they somehow realize this is going on either Consciously or Unconsciously, for the somewhat Conscious ones they become interested in Spirituality, and realize what is what, that we are not this Body or Mind or anything that we have Accumulated and the Absolute is what we are, even Intellectually realizing this is transformative, so we find a way to get to that place of Experience.. This is all happening because Possibility or Duality has to be Expressed somewhere, somehow, so we are it here on this Earth, playing this game and working it all out, so that Absolute can Experience itself as Absolute & Ultimate Potential is Realized. Experience is everything here, otherwise why exist and how is Potential expressed/realized? Hope this makes sense:)

Umm again I say this with all humility, I know really nothing of Death because I haven't Died:) But I trust the sources I researched, so from what they say, if You are in a Suffering of sorts at the moment of Death, then that is what You will feel in the afterlife and it could be for a long time.. The only time You don't get that, is when You die a Happy Person, then in afterlife You feel very happy, and to have Union or Liberation, Not like heaven stories from Bible, but non individuality, then that is Muhkti or Dissolution, like a drop in the ocean going back into the ocean, its no longer a drop but merges with the entire ocean, its the same with this.. You are just a Bubble, the lining of the Bubble is Your Karma, you think You are this lining/karma, but Your what is inside the Bubble (LIfe itself), Spiritual practice and its ultimate goal is to burst the bubble completely, not reform it again and become another bubble (reincarnation).. So Suicide although I can see why ppl do it (I have experience with it as a family member died by suicide in 06') does not end the suffering sorry to say!

yes that is why the guru is there to help, who's going to help you when the dmt trip goes nuts and its dangerious.. Sooner or later, no matter if Sadhguru or someone else is the Guru, You have to take responsibility for it yourself, that is what I've learned the most from Sadhguru, my Karma means Life is My Making, not up to him to do it for me...

I wouldn't say that is the case, he is more like a fire and you need warmth, so you get close to the fire for warmth.. With Spirituality, its about living via Experience to your Highest Potential and Possibility, he just helps you get there within this lifetime and not many, like a gps maps app, why not use it rather than getting lost? Unless Your goal is too get lost, but this can be timely and not so much fun especially with Spirituality.. Leo is not fixing his own car, he used psychedelics to get there, that is using something to help him along the way, Yoga is like this as well but its a much safer and stable path...