Ishanga

So I posted this video on the "Alien Intelligence" Thread, but no responses! I find it weird, top government officials, Rubio the Secretary of State as well, claiming we have Alien (non Human Tech, Ships, Bodies) in the possession of the US government.. Isn't this the top story, more important than the current long running wars, economic or medical problems going on? I don't understand why no one is interested, am I missing something?? Here's the vid..

video's can be faked, easier today than ever, so what proof would suffice? I don't trust politicans either, but these ppl are not stupid, they won't destroy their reps, so there has to be some credibility to what they say??

I don't think we have to be moving so slow, within my own lifetime society has drastically changed! We just have to establish socially what is important, money or knowing?? We did it with illiteracy, 150yrs ago the majority didn't know how to read or write, now everybody does, so its possible!! So for me it is stupid to think money and capitalism is the only way, its stupid to use fossil fuels when free energy has already been discovered, there's too many examples to list, its plain stupidity and unconsciousness at fault.. The real power elites don't want this so they make us slaves and conditioned idiots!!

Yes I looked for it but couldn't find it:)

Yes absolutely! I think Pain is present to make us Wiser! Its a survival mechanism too of course since we are so weak physically compared to other life here, but pain should make us wiser, its like a big ultra lighted up sign post saying Stop, but we don't stop, we cover it up and ignore it, and that causes more suffering. We are so Conditioned its nuts! And when ppl come along to make change, we kill them! That is the Human Condition right now, super stupid and sad!

Yes but its not the money's fault or the successes fault or anything outside of the person or the situations fault, its the person's fault totally... It is just money today makes ppl more crazy since they think they are free and that the money is where the happiness is, that feeling ends quickly when they realize they are still suffering in some ways, this should wake them up but they mask it via drugs, alcohol, sex, sky diving and other distractions, that in the end causes even more suffering... The open ourselves to the whole, yes this is the key part to ending suffering, its really just a question of HOW!

Yes, Being Human, if Your low on the Consciousness scale, not paying attention, then Life will produce tons of Suffering for You.. To be a Human means allot of complexity and complications can arise if Your sleep walking thru Life, this is basically why ppl are suffering so much when they live in the best places to live and have everything they need! Why do celebs, rich ppl, so called successful ppl suffering anything at all? Oh, they say they are just like the rest of Us but how so? Yes their Human, but they have everything that life has to offer, that we are all striving to have, success, money/freedom, recognition, creative outlets, they can produce/create and have ppl praise them for their creation, travel, fun times, etc... The rest of Us are slaves to the system, doing what we can every day/week to make a living, rest up on weekends to do it all again next week, repeat cycle over and over for decades then retire and worry about money and what to do, lol.. I don't see how the first group of ppl suffer at all but they are.. Its Unconsciousness, low Awareness of Reality, so being Human means, after survival is secured, to raise Your Consciousness to the highest level it can be, then live life, you'll see no suffering is possible for You then!!

The Ego or Identity as well as Your Intellect (basic thinking and survival tool) wants concrete knowing, and straight forward right or wrong answers! When it comes to Societies and Systems and how they play out over time in the context of Human Wellbeing, well none of them are working really well, yes some are worse than others objectively, they literally destroy the ppl living in those places and times, well others are more of a slow kill, but in the end we have not done a very good job over time of Human Wellbeing and Empowerment! When it comes to general life decisions, You have to contemplate the choices and then make the decision and stay with it.. Bring Yourself to a happy peaceful place within, that give You clarity to the situations going on, then make the decision and stay with it no matter what, slight adjustments are ok but don't make drastic changes to the original decision, like I want to quit my job and do something else, have the plan set up, what are You going to do after quitting to bring in $$ and will You like what Your doing in the new job/career/business.. That is all You can do, if You 2nd guess everything after You made the decision then you will not have any Clarity or ability to Wisely choose what to do next and make it work, its like walking from point A to B, you can do it in a straight line or zig zag, one way is most efficient and effective, the other way is not!!

So it seems like they are here, have been here and are still doing things here, with all these credible ppl stating these things, why is the world not freaking out? Blows my mind!! Like linked with this topic is Free Energy from the zero point field, time and space travel, no resources problems, total change to how we understand life and social/economic situations that cause so much suffering in the world...

Religion, as it is today via scripture and books, and ppl on pedestals that are not really in the knowing or experience, is cheap psychology and morality in a way, although via religion more ppl have died on this earth and suffer that is Fact! Billions (this # is decreasing as time goes on, in a decade or two most all religions, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc)follow religion but it will be basically instinct, ppl will need more than a book or preacher to tell them what Truth is.. Psychedelic Use will rise unfortunately as ppl will look for "Easy" ways to have Grander Experiences that they think is Truth,, In the End the Eastern more practical and pragmatic methodologies will rise up, because they are more reliable, safer and give more Truer experience to what Reality Is all about, which is God is not "out there" somewhere, God is within You and You can access it as easy as You remember what You did Yesterday afternoon!!

Overall back and forth on certain topics such as what we talk about here is in the end no good.. There is no discovery once You realize that the views betwn the participants are different, and continuing it does not make change.. and for sure no one has gotten spiritual progression via discussion on a level of transformation, since intellectual understanding does not make transformation, transformation is nothing of the old lives on. Yes it may help one decided on a path in life, or inspire someone to investigate other ways to think or view a subject, I'm not denying that, but that is not transformation, and that what Spirituality Is all about!

For sure effort and intent is needed. What I meant by playing the game is that life is a sort of game, when You establish Your BEINGNESS, which is based allot on our present Moment Awareness and Intensity, then Beingness is established, then life becomes a game, and with that the need to bingwatch, fastfood, what is happening in the society and the drama games is lessened to a large degree...

Thought to share this here, Sadhguru talking about Oja's, subtle Energy fields that we all have within and around Us, and how to enhance them with Yogic practices, this talk is from 2002! He says the amount and quality of your Oja's determines many things in Your life, like the intensity of Your Presence, and how ppl can feel it around You! Very Interesting stuff!!

Yes, if You "Understand" then You will Embody it that is that.. States are the 1st priority of You really want to Know what is Reality, then Understanding comes with it, but Understanding is limited for sure as "What are You trying to Understand?". As SJV said in the poster, with Kriya You get to know the nuts and bolts of Existence, I think this is Understanding right? Some may put that primary, but for Me State of BEING is primary, get that down so that naturally Your intouch with Truth and Reality/God/Absolute then Your there, understanding wise and other wise.. From what I know, to be Enlightened doesn't mean all knowing either, there are levels to it... The problem with Psychedelic use, especially for those that have little to no experience with Spirituality, when they have a "Grand Experience" there is fear attached to it in the beginning and maybe Bliss and Completeness experience at the end, they come out of it wanting it again and again with no real insight that produces lasting change in their lives, its too quick of a uprising in Experience if You ask Me, they then "Experience" chase it, just for the experience alone, and many times think this is the only way, when it is not the only way to have Grand Experiences. The key is permanent change, which happens more safely imo with more traditional practices like Yoga or Daoism and such.. Just see on the psychedelic forum that one guy is experience chasing for sure, addicted already, this is no good

Yes, there are layers upon layers of Subtlety too be discovered, Kriya it seems is one of the few paths that allow one to really have a true Knowing, pretty cool in my book!

No, nothing to do with derailing, the back and forth just creates more separation over time the more it happens, and in the end the debates mean little, its forgotten soon afterwards, but the ego's get strengthened for sure, this is not so good for a Spiritual Seeker!

When You had Your psychedelic experience and then said here "I am God", that is all that matters okay in the end, I may not agree with how You came to that experience, at least You had it for real... After the fact, all the sharing and back and forth (same with Buddha, Jesus, whomever enlightened being) with this and that being said and shared and opinions stated, it really means nothing, tomorrow it is forgotten, if not forgotten the most it does is inspire maybe, but You have the memory of being GOD, go with that alone, imbibe it and make so its a natural experience for You each day, and forget about the sharing and opinions afterward, that is the most important aspect!

This is the problem with the majority being Unconscious! Back even 600yrs the avg person could be unconscious and nothing would happen from it, they would only harm themselves and maybe a few ppl that around them, today we are so much more empowered on all levels, no one should be worth billions of dollars never mind 400 billion or a trillion, its too much and since they are mostly unconscious (their probably at a higher level though than the avg person) things of this nature like in the OP mentioned happen. Unconsciousness in Humans is responsible for every war, every terror act, slavery and the majority of the suffering humans suffer from today, the solution of course is raising of Human Consciousness, and its not really that hard since ppl have been doing this for thousands of years, we have time tested methods for this, its so simple lol! But ppl luv security and building walls up around themselves and protecting it, another result of Unconsciousness!

Hate is poison for us, is it not? Love, as I said in my post, Love in this context is an Intense Sweet Emotional experience for You within Yourself, its not about the "Other". Our society says love is about the other, but that is more of an exchange or agreement/contract, I do this for You, You do this for Me and all is well.. This is not love really, is about procreation and sex/pleasure and extracting from the Other... If Your Loving within Yourself and someone attacks You on whatever level, how would you respond you think? I would leave the scene, and not let it try to wound me anymore, but with no suffering it.. Enlightened ppl still feel pain, but suffering is not possible for them imo!

More examples above of why Spiritual discussion, like Political ones, goes really nowhere, its fine in the beginning stages, since we are very intellectually identified, we luv words and chats and communication, but its based on logic, Reality is not based on logic...I'm guilty of this too!!

I would say this is not so true, ppl can and have felt Bliss all the time when they have experienced their true nature, call it God or whatever.. Ppl can do amazing things, some ppl have lived decades without food, without anything that we think we need to survive and live... And its not all about Genetics which is just another term for Karma, we can live way beyond Genetics and Karma if we want too.. Normal is not defined by what the majority think or do, it is what is natural, we are meant to be healthy and fully alive Beings, with that comes eternal Bliss...

I would say that this is the normal way ppl feel Satisfaction, something outside of themselves then becomes a part of themselves then they feel fulfilled in a sense for awhile anyways.. When we talk about God/Absolute and Spirituality, we are talking and explore a dimension that is way beyond outside things making us feel fulfilled, we are talking about Us feeling fulfilled, peaceful and Blissful naturally because we know and experience our true nature.. I don't get why ppl think we have to have up and down emotional lives, depressed ppl feel depressed most all the time, why can't the opposite exist too, why can't ppl feel Blissful all day all the time? If one possibility exist the other has too, that is what God is Potential and Possibility...

Well there is saying "Stomach Empty only 1 problem...Stomach full then there are 100 problems" lol... If Survival, like real Survival (I have no food, shelter, cloths, security, etc) is an issue, then higher up aspirations like BEINGNESS are less relevant, as they should be, because if Your Dead or Injured/disabled in someway, how can one become Aware of BEINGNESS if it is not already a natural Experience? So one has to make the priorities.. But there is way to become more Aware of BEINGNESS while trying to Survive and live another day or just living like the avg person making a living going to and from work everyday... First try to focus on NOW awareness of things, even if doing the most mundane chores or work, focus on it intensely as you can, bring focus on body senses, where the mind wonders off to (bring it back), this is vital...Then Acceptance of What Is, the situation at hand and such.. Acceptance doesn't mean I have to like it, just accept it, this will drastically reduce Stress responses and levels. 3rdly learn to Respond to Life Situations, choose how You respond to stuff, don't react, reacting is unconscious action, responding is conscious action, Consciousness brings about Clarity, Clarity allows You to live life at Ease no matter what is going on around You, if that is in place then BEINGNESS comes naturally!